Ring Of Steel
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In fairness I don’t find that a difficult thing to visualise.
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In fairness I don’t find that a difficult thing to visualise.
Hey don't let facts get in the way of a good old fashioned racial stereotyping.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I was mostly criticising the idea implied by some here that in such an area mostly with people who aren’t white, that any white people who were there wouldn’t be searched.
rob9872
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I was going to post it being playful to stir the pot, but is there a breakdown to show if they were white immigrants and not to add fuel to any side of the argument, simply genuinely interested. Thx.
Grendel
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rob9872
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Sorry I meant out of the white, eg Romanian, Italian, Albanian etc
Grendel
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no I can’t find it. 33% of the stops had an outcome that resulted in a caution which seems a pretty successful rate to me
mmttww
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Interested to see your source for this and the other stats e.g. percentages a few posts further up.
Grendel
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Statistica for the last two. I assume the source is official statistics. The first one is from the London mayor assembly report on knife crime
mmttww
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tisza
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shocking thing about that again is how many crimes result in a prosecution. Pitiful
Sky Blue Pete
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Targeted becomes discriminatory without careful handling. In hmrc we used to target cash businesses we can’t any more we have to be more nuanced
Nick
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If what you were looking for existing mostly in cash businesses then what's the issue with targeting them?
Sky Blue Pete
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Not from one of my friends
Grendel
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look a bit harder
Number of stop and searches by ethnicity London 2023 | Statista
In 2022/23, there were 70,578 stop and searches carried out on people of white ethnic appearance by the police in London, compared with 62,521 people of Black ethnic appearance, and 27,044 of Asian ethnic appearance.
www.statista.com
Gynnsthetonic
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2 tier tax investigations!
mmttww
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tbf I looked through the whole report. Hardly half arsing it. You said your figures were from the report I found. Turns out they were from a 3rd party. Assume they scraped the data from the Excel published alongside the report. If you want to play the smart arse at least be a clear smart arse!
mmttww
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Don't disagree in theory. If someone's gonna chuck stats and information around though, given what the thread's about, asking about the source (if it's not given) and checking it out is probably a good idea.
and given that I doubt any of us live in the places being talked about, data and reports are probably worth a look if we're gonna share opinions on those places and the issues that exist in those places.
Como
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Don't disagree in theory. If someone's gonna chuck stats and information around though, given what the thread's about, asking about the source (if it's not given) and checking it out is probably a good idea.
and given that I doubt any of us live in the places being talked about, data and reports are probably worth a look if we're gonna share opinions on those places and the issues that exist in those places.
I certainly have lived in such places and other places I have lived in now are places I would not want to live in.
Now admittedly where I am now has a sad lack of diversity.
Grendel
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Don't disagree in theory. If someone's gonna chuck stats and information around though, given what the thread's about, asking about the source (if it's not given) and checking it out is probably a good idea.
and given that I doubt any of us live in the places being talked about, data and reports are probably worth a look if we're gonna share opinions on those places and the issues that exist in those places.
Im amazed everyone yesterday making accusations hadn’t checked facts that took 30 seconds to find…
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Simplification and distortion of the complex reasons behind these stats (if exact/true) Grendel and you unashamedely know it too. You are just grooming the ring wing simpletons just like Farage and Stephen Yaxley-Lenon do, with a great big cheesey smirk on your face. Weird hobby you have and I cannot fathom why you get self gratification out of it as you strike me as being relatively bright. Maybe because you are a especially partial to mass debating on this forum?
Grendel
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I don’t see why you question them and make absurd comments Charles.
They are from a mayoral assembly report and part of a motion to deal with knife crime. The proposals were from Sem Moema who wanted a commission to look at dealing with knife crime in the black community she represents.
It was supported by Sean Bailey so was a cross party proposal from two senior black officials on the London Assembley who were concerned and the massive decline of stop and search among other things which they saw as factors in non protecting innocent victims of knife crime.
Own goal Charles there I am afraid.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Nice try but you knowingly missed my point through your deflection obsession. Wasn't questioning. the validity of the statistics, just the distortion and motivation for posting the selected stats. Come on Grenners, you are better than that. You need to up your game and work harder to cover up your prejudice as its painfully obvious why you put this stuff up.
Stop and search and knife crime is complex and nowt to do with the colour of people's skin.
Pop the link to the report on here and the free thinking open minded folks can choose whether to read the report and draw their own unbiased opinions.
Jamesimus
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Yeah sound, when are you going to talk about “why”?
Grendel
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I have zero prejudice. You questioned if the stats were “exact/true” by the way
You are one of the most biased posters on here and make several unsubstantiated allegations to anyone whose opinion you object to.The irony -as I have already pointed out Charles - is that stop and search is at it lowest. It was a huge part of London strategy under the Blair government. You remember Tony don’t you? The same Anthony Charles Lynton Blair who considered created internment camps on a remote Scottish island to send immigrants entering the uk.
I’m not stirring any stuff up. The proportionality of this crime in this one city is impacting and being perpetrated by one community. This isn’t a racist comment it’s just facts. What I do not agree with is not quoting facts in what is supposed to be a discussion and then have some suggestion of a murky agenda - especially given it’s politicians from that very community who WANT the situation discussed and acted upon
Is that strictly true, surely whichever gang control's the drug's market in each area?
Como
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Church leader killed as family fight for life after triple stabbing in Manchester
Greater Manchester Police say arrest has been made over death of Alberta Obinim
www.independent.co.uk
My money is on a Welsh Extreme Misogynist.
Just a disturbing youth boyfriend,Church leader killed as family fight for life after triple stabbing in Manchester
Greater Manchester Police say arrest has been made over death of Alberta Obinim
My money is on a Welsh Extreme Misogynist.
/ brother who's lashed out at the parents, I'll keep my powder dry until we know, thanks!!
Culprit known to Asian or African mother and her family! Seems she a strong confident person in the tributes from neighbours/friends,!Church leader killed as family fight for life after triple stabbing in Manchester
Greater Manchester Police say arrest has been made over death of Alberta Obinim
My money is on a Welsh Extreme Misogynist.
On making assumptions that could be code a son or boyfriend gone berserk if we want to speculate, I think I'll wait for more detail!
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Nick
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No idea who did it but something really needs to be done about knife crime.
Its ok rushing people through court who post online but get knife crime under control.
Going for easy targets is embarrassing, get the knobs posting online doing community service and some graft rather than prison and hit knife crime hard.
Its ok rushing people through court who post online but get knife crime under control.
Going for easy targets is embarrassing, get the knobs posting online doing community service and some graft rather than prison and hit knife crime hard.
Como
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No mention of Wales which is a relief
www.theguardian.com
Tributes paid to ‘mother to everyone’ killed in Manchester stabbing
Man arrested after Alberta Obinim, 43, is fatally wounded in attack that left her daughter and husband critically injured