Concerns over the club's direction...... (4 Viewers)

blunted

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Robins did suggest he was part of the decision to axe viveash.
Must have missed that. Do you have a link? I thought the club has put the shutters up and no one has mentioned what went on at all.
 

blunted

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its not that hard to read between the lines and there's clearly a reason the ITKs won't outright say what has happened when everything else about the club leaks out in seconds
Don't think the ITKs know. Loads of people have said bullying, fall out over O'Hare with King or with the new performance management. When you are one year into a four year contract, I don't think it is for organisational reasons.
The way the club have made sure no one talks about Adi and no glowing release about his staggering contribution makes you wonder if a court case is in the offing. Particularly as Adi released his statement via his legal representative.
 

skybluecam

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I think we need to forget about 22/23. It was lightning in a bottle. We struck gold with both Vik and Hamer. I honestly believe the Vik we saw that season was one of the best players to ever play in the championship. Our tactics and style of play were so heavily reliant on both of them. Vik actually played 97% of minutes in the league... that is fucking incredible for the style he plays. The squad was held together with loads of loan players and some who were really playing above their level. We crept in to the playoffs with a very low points tally. The semi could have gone either way too, and we were second best at Wembley and did well to take it to pens.

It wasn't going to be repeated. The changes that we're seeing now are necessary to push the club on.
 

blunted

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Again, I must have missed Robins saying how much happier he was with the new set up. Please could someone please provide a link. Certainly, all I noticed was "It is not my remit" when asked about a Tavares loan to Reading and "No comment" about new players.
In those interviews with Adi in the Telegraph he observed that one of the reasons for our success was based on the strength of our midfield.
Our new coaching staff need to improve the players we have bought like we did in previous seasons. The potential is definitely there.
 

Hobo

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Must have missed that. Do you have a link? I thought the club has put the shutters up and no one has mentioned what went on at all.
Cov Telegraph and CWR interviews. Not stated bluntly but pretty clear.
 

curly_tom

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Has your account been hacked @Paxman II ? You’re usually the mot positive on here and I often agree with your comments. Surprised to see a wave of negative anxiety from you after just 4 league games. We’ll be fine.
 

Sbarcher

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For all we know Viveash might have put himself in an untenable situation?
I have heard that when Adi was introduced to the new Director he told her that no-one was going to tell him what to do. That sealed it.
 

alexccfc99

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Again, I must have missed Robins saying how much happier he was with the new set up. Please could someone please provide a link. Certainly, all I noticed was "It is not my remit" when asked about a Tavares loan to Reading and "No comment" about new players.
In those interviews with Adi in the Telegraph he observed that one of the reasons for our success was based on the strength of our midfield.
Our new coaching staff need to improve the players we have bought like we did in previous seasons. The potential is definitely there.
Would MR rather have total control of a circus of a football cub or less control over a much better ran football club? No brainer really
 

Grendel

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Don't tell me that 'circus' of a football club was just a penalty miss from the premier league having come up through the leagues under MR's and A.Vivash's stewardship. Sisu got it right in the final few seasons so now we see what effect King will have.

Without King we’d have had to sell Gyokeres in the January of the final season -we were going bust
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Well however it happened, it did and I'd say it was down to the previous 3-4 seasons growth and momentum, coupled with a slightly lower threshold to achieve it, throw it in the bin,hmm brave or mental?
I think the collapse of Wasps is what we have a lot more to be thankful for in terms of the last few years. We were completely skint.
 

blunted

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Cov Telegraph and CWR interviews. Not stated bluntly but pretty clear.
Yes but does anyone have a link, as I am struggling to find even an obvious observation? MR is not going to say the set up is shit.
 

Paxman II

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I think the collapse of Wasps is what we have a lot more to be thankful for in terms of the last few years. We were completely skint.
I'm not sure how the callapse of WASP helped us in the last few years? We had to play in Birmingham. We were locked out of 'our' stadium. The pitch when we returned had to be renewed by us. The only positive was the stadium was sold off again but King didn't get it. The stupid council accepted Ashley's lower bid and he got a steal. In spite of the council undermining its football club for years vindictively, we have risen again and will in my view own the stadium built for us, as I can't see the long term asset for Ashley tbh. He will cash in to King once we ht the premier league...at a much higher price than he paid!
 

Grendel

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I'm not sure how the callapse of WASP helped us in the last few years? We had to play in Birmingham. We were locked out of 'our' stadium. The pitch when we returned had to be renewed by us. The only positive was the stadium was sold off again but King didn't get it. The stupid council accepted Ashley's lower bid and he got a steal. In spite of the council undermining its football club for years vindictively, we have risen again will in my view own the stadium again, as I can't see the long term asset for Ashley tbh. He will cash in to King once we ht the premier league...at a much higher price than he paid!

The last thing we want is to own the stadium
 

skyblue_55

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Another experienced freebie , moved to a championship side in Victor Moses … 33 but knows the game …… Luton are searching properly !
 

Grendel

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If you believe that Grendel please explain your thinking behind it?

It’s a loss making disaster that bought down ACL and Wasps. We need a lease of 99 years with full rights of the pitch and nothing else
 

Paxman II

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Sorry Grendel but you have changed your intial response to basically agreeing with me. A 99 year lease is tentamount to freehold and we would therefore 'own' the stadium in the same way Ashley does. I would doubt very much the lease Ashley has can be sub let on such terms. It would likely be his origional lease of some 200+ years being assigned to CCFC.
 

Grendel

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Sorry Grendel but you have changed your intial response to basically agreeing with me. A 99 year lease is tentamount to freehold and we would therefore 'own' the stadium in the same way Ashley does. I would doubt very much the lease Ashley has can be sub let on such terms. It would likely be his arriginal lease of some 200+ years being assigned to CCFC.

No it isn’t - I said the playing surface - not any of the other nonsense that we’d be responsible for - so change our current licence to a proper lease for the one purpose
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I'm not sure how the callapse of WASP helped us in the last few years? We had to play in Birmingham. We were locked out of 'our' stadium. The pitch when we returned had to be renewed by us. The only positive was the stadium was sold off again but King didn't get it. The stupid council accepted Ashley's lower bid and he got a steal. In spite of the council undermining its football club for years vindictively, we have risen again and will in my view own the stadium built for us, as I can't see the long term asset for Ashley tbh. He will cash in to King once we ht the premier league...at a much higher price than he paid!
The collapse of Wasps elicited King’s interest in acquiring the stadium and club as a package. No Wasps breakdown, no new interest in taking on the club, SISU remain but with no money at all to contribute. Gyokeres and possibly Hamer are sold for a pittance in January and the club is relegated.
 

Paxman II

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No it isn’t - I said the playing surface - not any of the other nonsense that we’d be responsible for - so change our current licence to a proper lease for the one purpose
You can't pick and choose what bits you want Grendel! Fantasy world you live in. I have enough business dealings behind me to know what's possible and what isn't.
 

JohnWH

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You can't pick and choose what bits you want Grendel! Fantasy world you live in. I have enough business dealings behind me to know what's possible and what isn't.
But is it possible to pay rent on my apartment for ONLY the time I am actually present within inside? Like. Why should I be paying rent when I'm out shopping or out of town? NOPM
 

pusbccfc

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Don't tell me that 'circus' of a football club was just a penalty miss from the premier league having come up through the leagues under MR's and A.Vivash's stewardship. Sisu got it right in the final few seasons so now we see what effect King will have.

We're one more expensive kids ticket away from people wanting SISU back.
 

Grendel

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You can't pick and choose what bits you want Grendel! Fantasy world you live in. I have enough business dealings behind me to know what's possible and what isn't.

Er of course you can. You take a sub lease from the main leaseholder and an assignment from the freeholder. We currently have a licence and not a lease. I would assume the hotel owner operates on the same basis.

A licence offers zero protection - a long tenancy lease to the main leaseholder does. It’s all ultimately down to negotiation with the leaseholder - it’s far more expensive but if the head leaseholder sells you are then fully protected
 

alexccfc99

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I think it’s the polar opposite. We’re moving in the right direction. Off the field is unrecognisable. On it we have our strongest squad in years. Season ticket sales are at record levels. The fans and team are together in a rare way. It’s all going in the right direction
Are they?

Even in the years of dross football and playing our football in different Cities I cannot recall such a high amount of incessant whinging from our fans than I have the last couple of weeks

Lets not forget the amount of bile and vitriol that was aimed towards Wright and Simms when they weren't scoring last season and let's not forget the fact we were booed off in our last game

A great fanbase to play for when winning, not when losing
 

Brylowes

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Are they?

Even in the years of dross football and playing our football in different Cities I cannot recall such a high amount of incessant whinging from our fans than I have the last couple of weeks
But with relevant success ‘comes increased popularity and therefore accountability’ compared to the lean years under SISU we now have about 18,000 extra regular customers, the combined murmurs of disapproval are bound to be louder.
 

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