To those who want Robins gone now (3 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Same. It's very sad. I'm desperate for him to do well.

Even if we lose the next two, sacking Robins will be more divisive thananything Doug has ever done.

If you think the fan base has been divided before, you've not seen anything yet. It will turn the club, the fanbase and the city upside down.

If results improved it wouldn’t

 

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[pusbccfc]

If results improved it wouldn’t

It would. Even if we lose the next 4/5. There will always be plenty of fans that will back him, especially over Doug.

 

[Sick Boy]

Same. It's very sad. I'm desperate for him to do well.

Even if we lose the next two, sacking Robins will be more divisive thananything Doug has ever done.

If you think the fan base has been divided before, you've not seen anything yet. It will turn the club, the fanbase and the city upside down.

It would soon be forgotten if they came in and started winning. It would be a major gamble for King though and things could turn sour for him very quickly.

 

[pusbccfc]

It would soon be forgotten if they came in and started winning. It would be a major gamble for King though and things could turn sour for him very quickly.

That's true but someone could also come in and struggle early on.

It would be expensive for Doug to sack Robins. He's got a wage cap on players. I can't imagine him throwing money on a big name manager.

 

[lewys33]

Whether he solved the conflict in the Middle East, or got you from league 2 to the championship there’s no avoiding 12 points from 48 is not good enough.

 

[steve101]

If something is working well and you make changes in an attempt to make things even better, but instead they get much worse, you alter what was changed and not what was working to begin with.

 

[Sick Boy]

That's true but someone could also come in and struggle early on.

It would be expensive for Doug to sack Robins. He's got a wage cap on players. I can't imagine him throwing money on a big name manager.

I don’t think we would do either.

 

[clint van damme]

Whether he solved the conflict in the Middle East, or got you from league 2 to the championship there’s no avoiding 12 points from 48 is not good enough.

There's also no avoiding you're conflating 2 seasons!

 

[lewys33]

If something is working well and you make changes in an attempt to make things even better, but instead they get much worse, you alter what was changed and not what was working to begin with.

Not if you are committed to the investment/business model.

 

[lewys33]

There's also no avoiding you're conflating 2 seasons!

yes but concurrent so it does hold reasonable weight.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

There's also no avoiding you're conflating 2 seasons!

But on the flip side we’re told that robins has been brilliant for 7 seasons, so we’re allowed to consider that but not point out we’ve been shit for 6 months?

 

[clint van damme]

yes but concurrent so it does hold reasonable weight.

It's something a lot are doing.
Though strangely they weren't tagging on results from 22-23 when bemoaning last seasons bad start!

 

[CovValleyBoy]

If something is working well and you make changes in an attempt to make things even better, but instead they get much worse, you alter what was changed and not what was working to begin with.

Eh ? Fk me it's all ready been a long day ??

 

[clint van damme]

But on the flip side we’re told that robins has been brilliant for 7 seasons, so we’re allowed to consider that but not point out we’ve been shit for 6 months?

That's not what people are doing though.
I can't think of one person who's defended the start.
Merely saying, based on his record, he deserves a chance to put it right.

 

[lewys33]

It's something a lot are doing.
Though strangely they weren't tagging on results from 22-23 when bemoaning last seasons bad start!

I picked wolves because that’s where I felt things changed. We can all pick things to suit our agenda but I’m still trying to be reasonable!

I think Robins needs to go, not because I think he is the biggest problem but because the investments we’ve made no longer work with his methods.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Same. It's very sad. I'm desperate for him to do well.

Even if we lose the next two, sacking Robins will be more divisive thananything Doug has ever done.

If you think the fan base has been divided before, you've not seen anything yet. It will turn the club, the fanbase and the city upside down.

No chance. Ultimately all fans care about is winning. If a new manager came in and did well, Robins would barely be mentioned.

never underestimate the short-term mentality of football fans.

 

[clint van damme]

I picked wolves because that’s where I felt things changed. We can all pick things to suit our agenda but I’m still trying to be reasonable!

I think Robins needs to go, not because I think he is the biggest problem but because the investments we’ve made no longer work with his methods.

I think we put all our eggs in the FA Cup basket which is why I don't think it's relevant.

This season has just been dire in its own right so far. It really doesn't need embellishing, especially with a set of results whose relevance can't really be established

 

[M&B Stand]

His post match comments were priceless. Leeds have sold 100 mill of talent, but replaced them with quality! (in other words we’ve only sold 30 mills worth and replaced them with Dogshit!)

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I am actually at a loss as to why so few seem to want to look at the new structure around Robins, as opposed to Robins himself.

I think it’s safe to assume that Viveash is a significant loss as well.

 

[pusbccfc]

No chance. Ultimately all fans care about is winning. If a new manager came in and did well, Robins would barely be mentioned.

never underestimate the short-term mentality of football fans.

Eventually, yes, but it would divide people initially.

Could you imagine if we sacked him and Doug took a cheaper option?

 

[lewys33]

I think we put all our eggs in the FA Cup basket which is why I don't think it's relevant.

This season has just been dire in its own right so far. It really doesn't need embellishing, especially with a set of results whose relevance can't really be established

that’s a fair comment as I think players could easily have had the semi in the back of their mind. Whether it’s continued to have an effect who knows.

 

[Grendel]

I think we put all our eggs in the FA Cup basket which is why I don't think it's relevant.

This season has just been dire in its own right so far. It really doesn't need embellishing, especially with a set of results whose relevance can't really be established

The one thing that is relevant is we started then to ship goals every game. That’s a trend which started then and is carrying on

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Eventually, yes, but it would divide people initially.

Could you imagine if we sacked him and Doug took a cheaper option?

well that’s another question completely.

king isn’t a stupid man, he knows that if he pulls the trigger he’d better have a good replacement, otherwise everyone will lose interest fast and go after him.

I want Robins to stay, but I also see why King would be thinking about what to do, however the next guy would need to be the right man or King has got nowhere else to go for blame apart from the mirror.

 

[wingy]

I think we put all our eggs in the FA Cup basket which is why I don't think it's relevant.

This season has just been dire in its own right so far. It really doesn't need embellishing, especially with a set of results whose relevance can't really be established

But it was the first sign of changing the Backroom?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

But it was the first sign of changing the Backroom?

that was Lawrence’s last match

 

[pusbccfc]

well that’s another question completely.

king isn’t a stupid man, he knows that if he pulls the trigger he’d better have a good replacement, otherwise everyone will lose interest fast and go after him.

I want Robins to stay, but I also see why King would be thinking about what to do, however the next guy would need to be the right man or King has got nowhere else to go for blame apart from the mirror.

Hence why I don't think he'd sack him. Not unless someone monumentally collapses in the next 4/5 weeks.

 

[rob9872]

well that’s another question completely.

king isn’t a stupid man, he knows that if he pulls the trigger he’d better have a good replacement, otherwise everyone will lose interest fast and go after him.

I want Robins to stay, but I also see why King would be thinking about what to do, however the next guy would need to be the right man or King has got nowhere else to go for blame apart from the mirror.

I think our expectations have been raised with the success that followed Doug taking over. At least with SISU we knew they were arseholes so only expected failure and that was ok.

It's the hope that kills you.

 

[quinn1971]

Surely even robins is allowed one bad season ?

 

[clint van damme]

The one thing that is relevant is we started then to ship goals every game. That’s a trend which started then and is carrying on

If we hadn't made so many back room changes in the summer and carried on in this vain under Robins and Viveash then I don't think many would argue the buck stops with him

But with so much going on in the background, and no one clearly knowing who instigated the changes, it's hard to know exactly where to pinpoint the blame.

I'm not saying it's not Robins fault, I simply can't say for sure (though clearly today's baffling team selection and subs were down to him).

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I am actually at a loss as to why so few seem to want to look at the new structure around Robins, as opposed to Robins himself.

I think it’s safe to assume that Viveash is a significant loss as well.

Becuase the major issues appear to be tactical, and lack of cohesion - they both sit with the manager.

the structure is fine and is something Robins wanted and will benefit us long term

 

[clint van damme]

the structure is fine and is something Robins wanted

Is this 100% correct?

 

[Liquid Gold]

I love mark robins he’s a city legend and deserves a statue

right now I want anybody that can win football games. I hope it’s him

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Is this 100% correct?

He’s been saying for years about what he has to do and what he wants and the supports he needs. It’s all there

His job is to manage the team, we know given the fact this side finished 9th and got to the FA Cup semi the players have talent. It’s Robins job to get them playing as a unit - as he has done for years. Unfortunately this appears to be one step too far

 

[wingy]

Is this 100% correct?

He kind of did reference in his interview that it's simply a fact with modern football, he's kind of signed his own death warrant IMO!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Becuase the major issues appear to be tactical, and lack of cohesion - they both sit with the manager.

the structure is fine and is something Robins wanted and will benefit us long term

I don’t agree with this at all. To me the main issue is not tactical, it’s a load of unrest and a total lack of confidence in anything.

And I highly doubt Robins wanted this structure in place with these people- that we’ll never know though I guess.

to say that the only issues are tactics and cohesion to me betrays a lack of ability to see the bigger picture- something is very, very wrong and it’s not whether we go 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, its way deeper.