Good intentions - poorly executed.... (47 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Worrying read but the structure might click with recruitment of the type of head coach they want?

I'm struggling to believe the 4 new coaches are all numbskulls also.

There's a difference between being a numbskull and being promoted far above any level you've coached at before.
Which mcould be what's happened in at least 1 or 2 cases.

I think your first paragraph is wishful thinking unless the new man can bring in his own staff.

 

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[Evo1883]

There will be an assistant. If what you’ve said is true king decided a while back he wanted Robins gone.

its a shame Robins couldn’t adapt. If he’s not a coach as you’ve then his role was untenable, given his game management isn’t the best

If his game management is terrible and he got us 2 promotions and survival first season and the playoff final etc etc .. then then we're looking at the EFL pep giardiola if it was good

 

[Covcraig@bury]

Who would want to follow MR, especially after this backlash and with the possibility of not being able to bring in their own staff.
Stinks of a Bloomfield type appointment.

If Bloomfield comes in we’re fucked , I’m out

 

[covcity4life]

There's a difference between being a numbskull and being promoted far above any level you've coached at before.
Which mcould be what's happened in at least 1 or 2 cases.

I think your first paragraph is wishful thinking unless the new man can bring in his own staff.

No point bringing his own staff. Would mean giving up on the model right after sacking robins because of the model!

Maybe they will allow a assistant maybe they won't but the rest should stY as they are imo. If they ain't good enough they should be removed and replaced in time.

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah, you would think a new manager would definitely want to bring his own staff with him.

If this is the criteria, I can see people being approached for the role and potentially turning it down.

How very misogynist of you to assume the new head coach (not manager) would be a man.

 

[Skybluecol]

I'd love to know who these players are

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thanks for sharing, mate.

As for the performance director, I’m sure (as a standard policy) will have to undergo a performance review. That would make interesting viewing.

As for Mr Carr, I’ve only seen bits and pieces of him to gauge his character, but the official pre-match interview with him and Bidwell was quite revealing.

It sounds like some schools who appoint inexperienced people to senior management so they won’t question anything above them.

 

[Paxman II]

It's clear since Adi Vivash left the club, the so called new 'team' behind the scenes were having influence accross the clubs direction in all areas. We all iterated it before that Robin's had been undermined with the new strategy. So wind it forward to todays pre-match interview with Rys and Bidders....

What seemed revealing to me is Bidders said Robin's did not get the chance to say goodbye to the players and staff. Wow!
That clearly suggest to me that it was a snap decision to fire Robins. After a meeting prior to the players arriving at the training ground I believe Robin's had a disagreement with King on how things are being driven, affecting his authority to deliver. This was born out by comments made by Rys himself explaining the responsability of the other coaches to deliver in their respective areas.
I think Robin's challenged it and may have said it's not working, we need to change things back a little, and that was adamantly refused. He may have said its change things back a little or I walk. So he was fired.
Look, to let a manager leave instantly without so much as a handshake with the players and tea lady tells you everything you need to know. I can see it now, the 5 year plan he bought into, even though his old mate mate Adi was pushed out the door, it seemed like something could be exciting ahead. But the system insisted on has not worked and his position became untenable when no compromise could be found? King took the rug from under him there and then believing he is right and if you still don't like it here's the door.
I bet I'm not far wrong!
Nearly 8 glorious years and not allowed to see the players or the tea lady?

 

[clint van damme]

No point bringing his own staff. Would mean giving up on the model right after sacking robins because of the model!

Maybe they will allow a assistant maybe they won't but the rest should stY as they are imo. If they ain't good enough they should be removed and replaced in time.

I dont think you understand how 'the model' actually works at some of the clubs you hold up as examples of it.
The structure stays the same but not the staff, (or at least some of them).

Sometimes it's because they bring their own people, sometimes it's because the departing coach has taken staff with him.

But the notion only the head coach changes isn't true.

 

[covcity4life]

I dont think you understand how 'the model' actually works at some of the clubs you hold up as examples of it.
The structure stays the same but not the staff, (or at least some of them).

Sometimes it's because they bring their own people, sometimes it's because the departing coach has taken staff with him.

But the notion only the head coach changes isn't true.

I'm not saying it works strictly like that. I'm well aware head coaches being their own assistants and fitness coaches etc

But we only just hired these guys in the summer. Unless the new HC is desperate to bring in his own guys I'd like to see him work with what we got and see if they are up to the task or not for real

 

[MalcSB]

It's clear since Adi Vivash left the club, the so called new 'team' behind the scenes were having influence accross the clubs direction in all areas. We all iterated it before that Robin's had been undermined with the new strategy. So wind it forward to todays pre-match interview with Rys and Bidders....

What seemed revealing to me is Bidders said Robin's did not get the chance to say goodbye to the players and staff. Wow!
That clearly suggest to me that it was a snap decision to fire Robins. After a meeting prior to the players arriving at the training ground I believe Robin's had a disagreement with King on how things are being driven, affecting his authority to deliver. This was born out by comments made by Rys himself explaining the responsability of the other coaches to deliver in their respective areas.
I think Robin's challenged it and may have said it's not working, we need to change things back a little, and that was adamantly refused. He may have said its change things back a little or I walk. So he was fired.
Look, to let a manager leave instantly without so much as a handshake with the players and tea lady tells you everything you need to know. I can see it now, the 5 year plan he bought into, even though his old mate mate Adi was pushed out the door, it seemed like something could be exciting ahead. But the system insisted on has not worked and his position became untenable when no compromise could be found? King took the rug from under him there and then believing he is right and if you still don't like it here's the door.
I bet I'm not far wrong!
Nearly 8 glorious years and not allowed to see the players or the tea lady?

I don't believe a word of it. Being shown straight out of the door is a very corporate thing to do. Don't want a disgruntled ex-employee sewing the seeds of dissent.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not saying it works strictly like that. I'm well aware head coaches being their own assistants and fitness coaches etc

But we only just hired these guys in the summer. Unless the new HC is desperate to bring in his own guys I'd like to see him work with what we got and see if they are up to the task or not for real

If theyre as bad as is being made out I'd rather get rid ASAP.
The stipulation that the new coach has to work with them is highly problematic, (and unconventional), in my book.

 

[MalcSB]

I'm not saying it works strictly like that. I'm well aware head coaches being their own assistants and fitness coaches etc

But we only just hired these guys in the summer. Unless the new HC is desperate to bring in his own guys I'd like to see him work with what we got and see if they are up to the task or not for real

And suffer if they aren’t up to the task?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If theyre as bad as is being made out I'd rather get rid ASAP.
The stipulation that the new coach has to work with them is highly problematic, (and unconventional), in my book.

Assigning Aled Williams to defence training is piss poor and explains a fucking lot.

 

[covcity4life]

If theyre as bad as is being made out I'd rather get rid ASAP.
The stipulation that the new coach has to work with them is highly problematic, (and unconventional), in my book.

I mean the robins backers (I feel weird writing this as obviously I backed him but I also criticised towards the end) have just talked about how we are playing so well and just unlucky. Good performances good xg etc so I'm not sure how we do that with terrible coaches? Could robins do it alone when apparently only dips into training?

I dunno I'm not gonna get carried away with OP just yet that's all

 

[SKYBLUES90]

No, because it's obvious if you look at events and apply a bit of logic.
And to be fair, Shep is a poster I'd trust. Hes also being backed up by saddles, and despite what people might think, hes got a lot of stuff right, as has gimoc, (and a fair bit wrong if we're honest), but it builds a picture.

But these posts only confirms a lot of what myself and others suspected.

It depends on who the source of the information is and what their reasons are for sharing that info to be made public knowledge.

King came in and took privileges away from certain individuals who previously under SISU had a level of access around the club. It’s clearly caused friction. The old guard vs the new. Ultimately King is the owner, he can do what he wants regardless of what others might think is the right or wrong way to do it.

I’m not disputing that some of the info may or may not be correct but what I’m saying is understand why certain people would like to throw shade at King and paint a picture to suit their own agendas.

 

[covcity4life]

And suffer if they aren’t up to the task?

And maybe miss out on something that could have worked if we change before it had a chance?

No easy answers.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The role is changing to head coach. The job is to manage the coaches, the guy said “Robins isn’t a coach” that would suggest the coaches didn’t have direction.

you’re correct - the deck has been loaded against him if it’s true. It’s been said on here Robins agreed with the Vivaesh removal, and he was in on the recruitment of these coaches.

Look I’m gonna clarify here, I’ve complained about how I felt robins was lacking, but I’ve never openly wanted him sacked. In fact I thought he’d turned it around in all honesty (despite not thinking he could)

If we're hiring a head coach to manage the coaches, surely that head coach should get to choose who those coaches are?

If whoever it turns out to be realises after a short period of time that the current coaches aren't up to the job, surely he can get them replaced? Otherwise they can't do their job. Or do you continually replace the head coach to keep the normal coaches who aren't up to it and let the tail wag the dog?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And maybe miss out on something that could have worked if we change before it had a chance?

No easy answers.

They get a season to show what they can do. They’re already failing the audition big time though.

 

[usskyblue]

It was, thanks.

The phone call telling CR what DK had said was made by the performance director. I don’t know who else apart from DK was involved in the actual decision.

What it showed, in my opinion; was the disconnect between MR and DK. Why have CR at Ryton? Why did CR think it was a done deal except for discussing a pay package with DK? Only to be subsequently called and told the timing wasn’t right?

 

[clint van damme]

It depends on who the source of the information is and what their reasons are for sharing that info to be made public knowledge.

King came in and took privileges away from certain individuals who previously under SISU had a level of access around the club. It’s clearly caused friction. The old guard vs the new. Ultimately King is the owner, he can do what he wants regardless of what others might think is the right or wrong way to do it.

I’m not disputing that some of the info may or may not be correct but what I’m saying is understand why certain people would like to throw shade at King and paint a picture to suit their own agendas.

Like I said, I think a lot of it was obvious, ITKs just adding a bit of weight to my suspicions.

One thing I'm now convinced of, is if the new man isn't an outside appointment who can bring in his own team we're in deep shit.

 

[covcity4life]

They get a season to show what they can do. They’re already failing the audition big time though.

We don't know yet. Now robins has gone will tell us more about them and how they do with a new guy

 

[SKYBLUES90]

Like I said, I think a lot of it was obvious, ITKs just adding a bit of weight to my suspicions.

One thing I'm now convinced of, is if the new man isn't an outside appointment who can bring in his own team we're in deep shit.

ITKs who are throwing their own agendas about.

Playground stuff really

 

[covcity4life]

The phone call telling CR what DK had said was made by the performance director. I don’t know who else apart from DK was involved in the actual decision.

What it showed, in my opinion; was the disconnect between MR and DK. Why have CR at Ryton? Why did CR think it was a done deal except for discussing a pay package with DK? Only to be subsequently called and told the timing wasn’t right?

Timing not right cos he knew robins not her sling term?

New HC may be able to have an assistant?

 

[clint van damme]

ITKs who are throwing their own agendas about.

Playground stuff really

You think Shep has an agenda?
Saddles might, or at least his source, but he's still got a he'll of a lot right, agenda or not, accurate info is accurate info.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We don't know yet. Now robins has gone will tell us more about them and how they do with a new guy

I think we can tell a lot from how a team that came 9th last season looks clueless and in trouble this season. New coaches who haven’t got a clue would tally with what we’re seeing. Williams is a GK coach, and a bad one at that, but is now working with the defence.

Players making such basic mistakes, not knowing where to be on the pitch, not knowing or able to carry out their instructions all points to poor coaching. It doesn’t let them off the hook entirely, far from it.

 

[SBAndy]

The thing I pick out of it all is the comment that the new coaches ‘haven’t got the tactical nous’. It suggests to me how much Robins was leaning on AV/DL tactically. Setting emotion aside, if the manager isn’t setting out what they want to do tactically then what’s the point in them? It strikes me as Robins lacking the tactical vision and leadership to manage the staff under his control.

I appreciate that sounds fairly heartless, and for what it’s worth it’s clear Robins was aware of this hence the appointments of AV/DL in the first place. You also had McSheffrey’s comments regarding Robins’ ability without an assistant. We need someone who knows what they want to do on the pitch and articulate this to the staff - you don’t get coaching badges just for turning up to a course.

 

[SKYBLUES90]

You think Shep has an agenda?
Saddles might, or at least his source, but he's still got a he'll of a lot right, agenda or not, accurate info is accurate info.

I’m not talking about shep or saddles, I’m talking about who is giving them their information…

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If anybody saw the pre match warm up a few nights ago, EMC just spent a few minutes doing keep ups. Have we always just half arsed let players do whatever before a game?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The thing I pick out of it all is the comment that the new coaches ‘haven’t got the tactical nous’. It suggests to me how much Robins was leaning on AV/DL tactically. Setting emotion aside, if the manager isn’t setting out what they want to do tactically then what’s the point in them? It strikes me as Robins lacking the tactical vision and leadership to manage the staff under his control.

I appreciate that sounds fairly heartless, and for what it’s worth it’s clear Robins was aware of this hence the appointments of AV/DL in the first place. You also had McSheffrey’s comments regarding Robins’ ability without an assistant. We need someone who knows what they want to do on the pitch and articulate this to the staff - you don’t get coaching badges just for turning up to a course.

Robins is a motivator, not a tactician. And he motivates the old school way, not by the mollycoddling some of our grifters prefer.

 

[covcity4life]

I think we can tell a lot from how a team that came 9th last season looks clueless and in trouble this season. New coaches who haven’t got a clue would tally with what we’re seeing. Williams is a GK coach, and a bad one at that, but is now working with the defence.

Players making such basic mistakes, not knowing where to be on the pitch, not knowing or able to carry out their instructions all points to poor coaching. It doesn’t let them off the hook entirely, far from it.

I agree with saot of that but some have said how we are playing well with good xg etc

I'm just saying can't have it both ways.

 

[covcity4life]

Robins is a motivator, not a tactician. And he motivates the old school way, not by the mollycoddling some of our grifters prefer.

If you believe this you should have no issue with a new head coach coming in

Our issues were clearly tactical this season

 

[clint van damme]

I’m not talking about shep or saddles, I’m talking about who is giving them their information…

Well Shep seemed to regard his source and that's good enough for me.
I know Saddles source has an agenda so you have to bear that in mind, but like I say, he's still often correct.

 

[clint van damme]

If you believe this you should have no issue with a new head coach coming in

Our issues were clearly tactical this season

Plenty of the goals we've conceded have been nothing to do with tactics, (the 1st Wednesday being an example).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree with saot of that but some have said how we are playing well with good xg etc

I'm just saying can't have it both ways.

Because at their core these are not bad footballers, with a few exceptions. But you look at the games this season where we don’t just have an off day, we look like a team just chucked together at random.

That is nothing like what we’ve been used to under Robins, even last season when things were tough the basics were still being done and opposition coaches felt we were in a false position. It won’t be long before the same people talk about needing to be professional against a team down at the bottom.