Match Thread Burnley FC - Coventry City Match Thread - Tuesday 26th November 19.45 ko (9 Viewers)

shmmeee

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That's still a poor area to lose a ball and it was the start of the passage of play that lead to their 2nd goal, hardly hysteria.

Everything is hyped up. “He was out of position” (he wasn’t) “He gave the ball away on the edge of the box” (Eccles lost a 50/50 in the middle of the pitch)
 

clint van damme

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Everything is hyped up. “He was out of position” (he wasn’t) “He gave the ball away on the edge of the box” (Eccles lost a 50/50 in the middle of the pitch)

It's really not. He's quite clearly a liability. When you're the one who gets mainly targeted in a defence as poor as ours it speaks volumes.
 

wingy

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Dasilva is clearly targeted by other teams. Hes definitely seen as someone they can get joy against.

We do have other defensive failings though, there's no denying that.

Everything is hyped up. “He was out of position” (he wasn’t) “He gave the ball away on the edge of the box” (Eccles lost a 50/50 in the middle of the pitch)
Well it might have been Sheaf or Torp as Eccles is out near the touchline if he's in the orange boots which I think are his?
 

Skyblue Bangkok

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Everything is hyped up. “He was out of position” (he wasn’t) “He gave the ball away on the edge of the box” (Eccles lost a 50/50 in the middle of the pitch)
For the first goal he was ball watching, for the 2 Nd goal he played a poor ball that wasn't exactly a 50/50 ball to Eccles. He's way to short for a modern full back too.
 

shmmeee

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It's really not. He's quite clearly a liability. When you're the one who gets mainly targeted in a defence as poor as ours it speaks volumes.

He doesn’t though. You’re just doing the football fan thing of taking a dislike to a player and blaming everything on them.
 

clint van damme

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He doesn’t though. You’re just doing the football fan thing of taking a dislike to a player and blaming everything on them.

Dislike, haha!
Him, along with Lati, are two of the most likable fellas in the squad. But he/they doesn't cut it on the pitch unfortunately.

Which is a shame because they also seem to have a far better attitude than some players I could mention.
 

shmmeee

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That's not where he lost us possession. He played a shit loopy ball into a shit area. With that amount of opponents around him and Eccles, it should've gone line or long.

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If the opposition wins the ball from a goal kick did the keeper give it away in the box?

And “a shit area” = where our entire midfield was at the time.

It was a poor pass but people are making out it was like Rudoni vs Derby.
 

robbiethemole

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Is that Rudoni calling for a forward pass? I know we like AAATB, but sometimes just clearing your lines is the best course of action. It’s not outdated or old-fashioned, it’s safety first in some positions.
 

edgy

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If the opposition wins the ball from a goal kick did the keeper give it away in the box?

And “a shit area” = where our entire midfield was at the time.

It was a poor pass but people are making out it was like Rudoni vs Derby.



There is no relevance where our midfield were at the time, it's still a shit area regardless. Rudoni makes the line run. MVE is wide, it could've been switched. I actually think JDS tries to slide it to Sheaf, but it loops up and gives Torp no chance.

Both Rudoni's and JDS passes were poor and led to opposition goals. So ultimately.......
 

skybluecam

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Was a poor ball from Dasilva but that kind of thing will happen multiple times per game, you can't blame him for the goal.

Watching it back, could Milan have done more? He doesn't even get into a full sprint trying to get back. And Lati is like a statue defending the man that actually scores, he runs all the way around him.
 

shmmeee

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There is no relevance where our midfield were at the time, it's still a shit area regardless. Rudoni makes the line run. MVE is wide, it could've been switched. I actually think JDS tries to slide it to Sheaf, but it loops up and gives Torp no chance.

Both Rudoni's and JDS passes were poor and led to opposition goals. So ultimately.......

The ball is bouncing around he couldn’t “slide it” to anyone.
 

shmmeee

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Was a poor ball from Dasilva but that kind of thing will happen multiple times per game, you can't blame him for the goal.

Watching it back, could Milan have done more? He doesn't even get into a full sprint trying to get back. And Lati is like a statue defending the man that actually scores, he runs all the way around him.

Our defence is poor. Every goal has several errors from different people because our defence is poor. Until that changes I’m not sure you can make too many solid judgements on individuals. We’ve seen last season under Lawrence some of these players look like different players with a proper defensive setup.
 

skybluecam

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Our defence is poor. Every goal has several errors from different people because our defence is poor. Until that changes I’m not sure you can make too many solid judgements on individuals. We’ve seen last season under Lawrence some of these players look like different players with a proper defensive setup.
Agreed. That's why I'm not on board with those saying we need to bin our defenders and start again.
 

ccfcricoh

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same team and formation for me from the start

We were the better team even before the red card and the 2 counter goals they scored.

being able to bring on Saka and EMC is a huge advantage

if we can scrape a win that would be a huge set of 3 games for us and Carr. Draw would be ok too!
 

clint van damme

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37% of Sheff U's attacks came down our left and 36% down our right. So Dasilva was targeted a whole 1% more than MVE!

We had a whopping 45% of attacks down their left, so Burrows must be REALLY shit.

That really doesn't mean he doesn't get targeted.
And it's not just one game.
 

fernandopartridge

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Everything is hyped up. “He was out of position” (he wasn’t) “He gave the ball away on the edge of the box” (Eccles lost a 50/50 in the middle of the pitch)

Andy Hincliffe was the co-commentator on Sky and he made comment on Da Silva's positioning - I'd suggest he knows better than you. He'd left too big a gap between him and Binks which was exposed.
 

fernandopartridge

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That's not where he lost us possession. He played a shit loopy ball into a shit area. With that amount of opponents around him and Eccles, it should've gone line or long.

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The frustrating bit about that is he did the hardest bit nicely and got the ball under control, he had Rudoni ahead of him down the line and chose to play a ball inside, look at the number of Sheff Utd shirts ready if it gets turned over. Very naive play (although I do think having watched again Torp I wonder whether Torp needs to do better than just hang a leg, get your body in there at least)
 

edgy

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The frustrating bit about that is he did the hardest bit nicely and got the ball under control, he had Rudoni ahead of him down the line and chose to play a ball inside, look at the number of Sheff Utd shirts ready if it gets turned over. Very naive play (although I do think having watched again Torp I wonder whether Torp needs to do better than just hang a leg, get your body in there at least)

More I watch it, the more sloppy it looks. 1st choice has to be Rudoni, line ball. I do think he gets the pass wrong to Sheaf and it ends up being a really difficult ball to Torp.
 

Grendel

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More I watch it, the more sloppy it looks. 1st choice has to be Rudoni, line ball. I do think he gets the pass wrong to Sheaf and it ends up being a really difficult ball to Torp.

Once he moves inside he’s always in trouble as he never wants to use his right foot
 

shmmeee

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More I watch it, the more sloppy it looks. 1st choice has to be Rudoni, line ball. I do think he gets the pass wrong to Sheaf and it ends up being a really difficult ball to Torp.

Yeah he’s clearly over hit it, there’s nothing wrong with the choice of pass, people are just picking screenshots apart and forgetting footballers play in real time first person view.
 

KenilworthSkyBlue

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Yeah he’s clearly over hit it, there’s nothing wrong with the choice of pass, people are just picking screenshots apart and forgetting footballers play in real time first person view.

It would've made more sense to make a short pass to Sheaf surely? He made quite a nice run into space and from that position could've thread a pretty straightforward ball to Rudoni. Then we would've been on the break.

There was literally nothing to be gained from passing to Torp who had Souza visibly on him.
 

shmmeee

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It would've made more sense to make a short pass to Sheaf surely? He made quite a nice run into space and from that position could've thread a pretty straightforward ball to Rudoni. Then we would've been on the break.

There was literally nothing to be gained from passing to Torp who had Souza visibly on him.

That’s why I say it was overhit. It looked like an overhit pass to Sheaf (if that’s who is just behind Torp).
 

shmmeee

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Could be. It's very overhit though. To the point where it's a good foot in front of him and at near head height.

Yeah he’s thought he can flick it through to Sheaf and he’s put too much on it, I don’t think Carr would complain about him trying to make that pass rather than lumping it clear or trying to switch it.

Like I say I try not to unpick every goal too much right now. We are conceding so many poor goals right now with mistakes across the board. There’s far bigger defensive issues than individuals right now. Binks Lats MvE and Thomas also all made mistakes in the build up, arguably Collins could have got down quicker for one, etc etc.
 

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