Do you want to discuss boring politics? (20 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just bizarre in the context of the prison crowding situation

Not the same pressures in the women’s estate

 

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[MalcSB]

Rachel 'the Grinch' Reeves steals 45% of YOUR donations, charities say

The Chancellor's National Insurance raid will add an extra £1.4billion to wage bills in the already struggling voluntary sector, forcing bosses to decide whether to lay off staff or axe vital services.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MalcSB]

Not the same pressures in the women’s estate

Perhaps they should be releasing plenty of women early, emptying women’s prisons and repurpose them for men

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Perhaps they should be releasing plenty early, emptying womesn prisons and repurpose them.

Yep agreed
They’re different sorts of establishments

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Rachel 'the Grinch' Reeves steals 45% of YOUR donations, charities say

The Chancellor's National Insurance raid will add an extra £1.4billion to wage bills in the already struggling voluntary sector, forcing bosses to decide whether to lay off staff or axe vital services.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From what?

 

[chiefdave]

Rachel 'the Grinch' Reeves steals 45% of YOUR donations, charities say

The Chancellor's National Insurance raid will add an extra £1.4billion to wage bills in the already struggling voluntary sector, forcing bosses to decide whether to lay off staff or axe vital services.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Makes me laugh that I see people moaning about random shit on Facebook and think that's got to be from the Mail then come on here to see an article from the Mail posted

 

[MalcSB]

'6 milestones, 5 missions, 3 foundations: Have Labour's lists changed too much?' - LabourList

For all the tweaks, and speculation the missions could be ditched, Starmer remains a man on not one but five missions.

labourlist.org

UK economy heading for 'worst of all worlds', CBI warns - as businesses expect fall in activity

The CBI said in its growth survey that businesses cite Rachel Reeves' decision to raise employers' national insurance contributions (NIC) as a factor in their poor economic outlook.

news.sky.com

Starmer doubing down on increasing economy seems to be having the opposite effect to what was intnded.

 

[shmmeee]

'6 milestones, 5 missions, 3 foundations: Have Labour's lists changed too much?' - LabourList

For all the tweaks, and speculation the missions could be ditched, Starmer remains a man on not one but five missions.

labourlist.org

UK economy heading for 'worst of all worlds', CBI warns - as businesses expect fall in activity

The CBI said in its growth survey that businesses cite Rachel Reeves' decision to raise employers' national insurance contributions (NIC) as a factor in their poor economic outlook.

news.sky.com

Starmer doubing down on increasing economy seems to be having the opposite effect to what was intnded.

Five years not five minutes Malc. Also learn what lobbying against tax rises looks like.

 

[chiefdave]

Malc being a labourlist reader was not on my Christmas bingo card

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Malc being a labourlist reader was not on my Christmas bingo card

What was

 

[Ian1779]

What was

6 Pledges
5 Commitments
4 Contracts
3 Promises
2 Re-brands
And a House of Lords stacked with shitty peers.

 

[chiefdave]

What was

Christmas being shit

 

[MalcSB]

Makes me laugh that I see people moaning about random shit on Facebook and think that's got to be from the Mail then come on here to see an article from the Mail posted

Is it shit? Is it random? It is Daily Mai I’m afraid.

isn’t it pretty poor if nearly half of a charitable donation ends up in the treasury?I fear essentials like Air Ambulance.

Five years not five minutes Malc. Also learn what lobbying against tax rises looks like.

In truth we have had 5 months of constant talking down of the economy, not 5 minutes, plus all of the other shit we have been discussing on here.

 

[MalcSB]

Malc being a labourlist reader was not on my Christmas bingo card

So me being a Labour Party member must have completely blown your mind! just been invited to the local candidate shortlisting meeting.

My mind is probably blown more than yours.To be fair.

Malc

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Is it shit? Is it random? It is Daily Mai I’m afraid.

isn’t it pretty poor if nearly half of a charitable donation ends up in the treasury?I fear essentials like Air Ambulance.

In truth we have had 5 months of constant talking down of the economy, not 5 minutes, plus all of the other shit we have been discussing on here.

I asked how different this was to before

 

[shmmeee]

Is it shit? Is it random? It is Daily Mai I’m afraid.

isn’t it pretty poor if nearly half of a charitable donation ends up in the treasury?I fear essentials like Air Ambulance.

In truth we have had 5 months of constant talking down of the economy, not 5 minutes, plus all of the other shit we have been discussing on here.

The plan doesn’t change. It may or may not work but it’s barely even started yet. The major legislation hasn’t been brought forward, and even the changes that have been made are yet to actually come into practice mostly.

The talking down of the economy has mostly been from people like yourself desperate to pretend the sky has fallen because Labour dared get elected. Because that’s apparently political discussion these days. Everything is the end times.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

6 Pledges
5 Commitments
4 Contracts
3 Promises
2 Re-brands
And a House of Lords stacked with shitty peers.

And a partridge in a pear tree

 

[MalcSB]

The plan doesn’t change. It may or may not work but it’s barely even started yet. The major legislation hasn’t been brought forward, and even the changes that have been made are yet to actually come into practice mostly.

The talking down of the economy has mostly been from people like yourself desperate to pretend the sky has fallen because Labour dared get elected. Because that’s apparently political discussion these days. Everything is the end times.

So Starmer hasn’t talked down the economy?

I think he has.

Keir Starmer set to warn: 'Things will get worse before we get better'

The Conservatives have disputed Labour's claim they left a black hole in the public finances.

www.bbc.co.uk

could argue that he has been an accurate prescient, although the courses of action really are acts of self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So Starmer hasn’t talked down the economy?

I think he has.

Keir Starmer set to warn: 'Things will get worse before we get better'

The Conservatives have disputed Labour's claim they left a black hole in the public finances.

www.bbc.co.uk

They both have
Surely the economy doesn’t just need a quick dance smile and things will get better
Johnson tried that with the pandemic it didn’t work

 

[MalcSB]

And a partridge in a pear tree

Who donated those?

 

[MalcSB]

They both have
Surely the economy doesn’t just need a quick dance smile and things will get better
Johnson tried that with the pandemic it didn’t work

The economy certainly doesnt need a PM saying things will only get worse, and then proving it.

 

[chiefdave]

Is it shit? Is it random? It is Daily Mai I’m afraid.

isn’t it pretty poor if nearly half of a charitable donation ends up in the treasury?I fear essentials like Air Ambulance.

But it's a complete nonsense article. It states 45p of every pound donated to charity will be paid in tax due to NI increases. They've arrived at that figure by assuming charities only income is from donations. A quick google suggests donations actually make up around 30% of a charities income.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But it's a complete nonsense article. It states 45p of every pound donated to charity will be paid in tax due to NI increases. They've arrived at that figure by assuming charities only income is from donations. A quick google suggests donations actually make up around 30% of a charities income.

Thought it was absolutely for the fairies

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Who donated those?

The BBC. David Attenborough & Monty Don respectively.

 

[Grendel]

Thought it was absolutely for the fairies

I suppose this is as well

Services will close over National Insurance rise, Mencap tells BBC - BBC News

The charity is one of a number of care organisations warning they will have to axe vital services.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Rachel from accounts really has crashed the economy hasn't she !
Oh for Hunt & Sunak now , a couple of relative geniuses.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Rachel from accounts really has crashed the economy hasn't she !
Oh for Hunt & Sunak now , a couple of relative geniuses.

It’s a travesty third sector services are stepping in providing basic services
Can’t believe the two of them are getting the flak for the mess the country has been left in
Let’s just not even try let’s have an autocrat

 

[fernandopartridge]

Rachel from accounts really has crashed the economy hasn't she !
Oh for Hunt & Sunak now , a couple of relative geniuses.

Let's not kid ourselves the economy has not been working properly for many years insofar as a minimum maintaining living standards for the many. Reeves so far hasn't really done anything, most of the budget is for the next financial year. The crash in the economy we're experiencing was priced in already.

 

[fernandopartridge]

But it's a complete nonsense article. It states 45p of every pound donated to charity will be paid in tax due to NI increases. They've arrived at that figure by assuming charities only income is from donations. A quick google suggests donations actually make up around 30% of a charities income.

To be fair the article could just say income and would still be true

 

[PVA]

Rachel from accounts really has crashed the economy hasn't she !
Oh for Hunt & Sunak now , a couple of relative geniuses.

 

[Grendel]

Let's not kid ourselves the economy has not been working properly for many years insofar as a minimum maintaining living standards for the many. Reeves so far hasn't really done anything, most of the budget is for the next financial year. The crash in the economy we're experiencing was priced in already.

I think the impact of the NI rise will impact some SME businesses. One near me says it will mean he will have to scale back recruitment plans and probably lose some workers if the business demand remains as is.

It’s the flattest I’ve known it since I have been in my place. Costs meanwhile rise and council rates have gone up 40% since last review. Many of the very small businesses round here will close.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think the impact of the NI rise will impact some SME businesses. One near me says it will mean he will have to scale back recruitment plans and probably lose some workers if the business demand remains as is.

It’s the flattest I’ve known it since I have been in my place. Costs meanwhile rise and council rates have gone up 40% since last review. Many of the very small businesses round here will close.

I know, that's what's coming down the line but it's not necessarily the reason for such poor economic data now. It feels pretty likely there will be a recession next year, and more austerity thereafter with these clowns

 

[Mcbean]

My old company is making 99 redundancies - Xmas cheer at its best not

 

[shmmeee]

My old company is making 99 redundancies - Xmas cheer at its best not

Im sure there’s some clever accounting reason or whatever but firing/making people redundant just before Christmas is the dickest of dick moves. Would one more month kill you?

 

[Mcbean]

Im sure there’s some clever accounting reason or whatever but firing/making people redundant just before Christmas is the dickest of dick moves. Would one more month kill you?

Being a company based in US and throughout Europe UK is the easiest to get rid of people - France and Germany it’s pretty well job for life in a factory or bloody expensive