Transfer Rumour Matt Grimes (174 Viewers)

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Yes indeed. We signed him at 31 for £3 million back in the 1995/6. He was probably our best player for 4 seasons but we refused to give him a decent extension at 35. He then went to Liverpool on a free. One of the worst bits of business we ever did to let him go. He then played some 80 odd games for Liverpool and had some of his best career form.

So just shows if a player looks after himself, stays relatively injury free, mid thirties is not anything to be too concerned about. At 36/7 he was running the midfield of Liverpool!!

I think we should get plenty out of Grimes.

McAllister was miles better than Grimes .

 

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[lord_garrincha]

Yes indeed. We signed him at 31 for £3 million back in the 1995/6. He was probably our best player for 4 seasons but we refused to give him a decent extension at 35. He then went to Liverpool on a free. One of the worst bits of business we ever did to let him go. He then played some 80 odd games for Liverpool and had some of his best career form.

So just shows if a player looks after himself, stays relatively injury free, mid thirties is not anything to be too concerned about. At 36/7 he was running the midfield of Liverpool!!

I think we should get plenty out of Grimes.

He signed a year later... and he really wasn't our best player.

96/97: S

 

[CCFCSteve]

We were trying to sign Browne in the summer who’s the same age as Grimes. I’ve said all along that we need more experienced players in the squad but I don’t think it’s true there’s a policy where we won’t even consider them.

Don’t bring nuance into it

Haven’t continued to throw millions on players after spending 40-45m and increasing wage bill significantly and trying to make the club sustainable - haven’t got a pot to piss in

Not signed a loan this year even though we tried in the summer and also signed two last year that Robins didn’t really use regularly - King refuses to sign players on loan

Tried to sign older player who decided to go to another club - king doesn’t want to sign older players

There is obviously a model we are operating but that doesn’t mean that for the right players we wouldn’t move away from that. It’s not black or white. People just make up their own narratives to suit though.

 

[FergieTheFinisher]

McAllister was miles better than Grimes .

My point was not compare to McAllister vs Grimes as players. Obviously Macca was a much better player. The point is players can play at a high level well into their mid thirties if they look after themselves.

 

[clint van damme]

Don’t bring nuance into it

Haven’t continued to throw millions on players after spending 40-45m and increasing wage bill significantly and trying to make the club sustainable - haven’t got a pot to piss in

Not signed a loan this year even though we tried in the summer and also signed two last year that Robins didn’t really use regularly - King refuses to sign players on loan

Tried to sign older player who decided to go to another club - king doesn’t want to sign older players

There is obviously a model we are operating but that doesn’t mean that for the right players we wouldn’t move away from that. It’s not black or white. People just make up their own narratives to suit though.

Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.

Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.

And you're right about people making up their own narratives!

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.

Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.

And you're right about people making up their own narratives!

People forget but we did have loans last year in Binks and Yasin.

We also know that we’ve attempted at least one this window with Rabbi and been rumoured with Chelsea to have a shortlist and been attempting with one. Not to mention tried with Joe Worrall and a Liverpool CM.

I think there is a preference for us to own our players and not to put others ahead of their development unless they can help us make the step up (which is rare but not impossible).

 

[skybluelee]

Swansea City : Matt Grimes to sign for Coventry City today : PLUS Transfer News - Swansea City News

Swansea City club captain, Matt Grimes has played his last game for the club and will have a medical at Coventry City’s Sky Blue Lodge training facility at 1pm today. The details of his move will be for an undisclosed fee but it is being suggested Swansea City Chairman, Andrew Coleman has...

www.fansnetwork.co.uk

 

[TomRad85]

Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.

Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.

And you're right about people making up their own narratives!

Is the lack of a loan even that much of problem though or was it just one of many things people were latching on to because we were playing shit?
We look ok atm. Bring in Grimes, get EMC and Wright back, we look very good on paper. Wouldn't say no to another couple of players to help us out, whether that's loan or perm though.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Not sure that rumours we were trying to sign a loan but didnt actually signed one proves we are trying to sign loans.

Again, we're the only club in the league without one, it's not that difficult to get them.

And you're right about people making up their own narratives!

But there’s a bit more nuance to it. Would king maybe go that extra yard for a new manager who hasn’t signed any players yet, yes. Was king maybe nervous about signing loans when last year one got recalled/sent back and the other (who was on a very good salary) only played half the games, again yes

Does it mean king was refusing to sign any loans or older players, no

Edit - I agree it’s not difficult to get any old loan player in. However to find a player that you think will improve your team and then get a parent club to release a player when they’ll probably not be a certain starter and last year your two loans didn’t play regularly…and you’ve just spent 40m on improving your squad, is a bit more challenging

 

[clint van damme]

But there’s a bit more nuance to it. Would king maybe go that extra yard for a new manager who hasn’t signed any players yet, yes. Was king maybe nervous about signing loans when last year one got recalled/sent back and the other (who was on a very good salary) only played half the games, again yes

Does it mean king was refusing to sign any loans or older players, no

Well I don't agree. And that's backed up by what Saddles has said. Again, I appreciate that doesn't mean it's true.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Maybe we’ve just been waiting for the right player. It’s not that we’re anti loan/experience - just that we’ve identified certain players and they haven’t come off and we’d rather wait for what’s better than waste cash on fillers.

 

[clint van damme]

Is the lack of a loan even that much of problem though or was it just one of many things people were latching on to because we were playing shit?
We look ok atm. Bring in Grimes, get EMC and Wright back, we look very good on paper. Wouldn't say no to another couple of players to help us out, whether that's loan or perm though.

At the moment I'd say no, and along as we give Lampard what he needs then alls well.

But if money is tight, and I've never called for King to splash money we haven't got, then it's potentially another avenue of recruitment that we shouldn't ignore.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Well I don't agree. And that's backed up by what Saddles has said. Again, I appreciate that doesn't mean it's true.

I agree that king probably sees loan players as a potential waste of money and I actually agree with him, it’s a massive gamble. It’s just seems to have been exaggerated a bit. None of us will ever know the full truth though, saddle included

 

[TomRad85]

At the moment I'd say no, and along as we give Lampard what he needs then alls well.

But if money is tight, and I've never called for King to splash money we haven't got, then it's potentially another avenue of recruitment that we shouldn't ignore.

I agree, has to be smart though. Imo a lot of loans in this league are pretty duff and seem almost done just for the sake of it.

 

[covcity4life]

We're the only team in the league without a loanee, so it's not a myth.
And it's clear there's something behind his unwillingness to sign experience players as we've stripped the squad of them

Hopefully with the contract given to Bidwell and this signing (which hopefully goes through), he's seen sense.

One of the reasons I started to come round to the idea of Lampard is I thought King might be more likely to listen to a 'name'. I've no idea if that is the case but it seems plausible to me.

It could be that the right opportunity hasn't arrived when it comes to loans. Also why has the praise quickly evaporated for having a team full of permanent players I do wonder sometimes. We are in a great position these days

As for age I think it'd a good thing to have a policy. But the odd exception is ok and hopefully that's what king is thinking

 

[clint van damme]

I agree, has to be smart though. Imo a lot of loans in this league are pretty duff and seem almost done just for the sake of it.

I dongbthink our success rate in the Championship has been to bad. But any player incoming is a risk.
At least you can always fuck them off Ayari style if they're not up to it

 

[clint van damme]

It could be that the right opportunity hasn't arrived when it comes to loans. Also why has the praise quickly evaporated for having a team full of permanent players I do wonder sometimes. We are in a great position these days

As for age I think it'd a good thing to have a policy. But the odd exception is ok and hopefully that's what king is thinking

Having a squad full of permanent is the ideal scenario.
But if you're short in certain areas, as we clearly are, what's wrong with loans as a stop gap?

 

[Hutch11]

Loans groans moans
Let's see what a team of our own players can achieve, we are actually starting to look like a proper outfit without any borrowed players

 

[covcity4life]

Nothing. I was open to rak sakyai coming in. I'm just not sure if king is against it or not as much as it's been said that's all

Having a squad full of permanent is the ideal scenario.
But if you're short in certain areas, as we clearly are, what's wrong with loans as a stop gap?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

I dongbthink our success rate in the Championship has been to bad. But any player incoming is a risk.
At least you can always fuck them off Ayari style if they're not up to it

I suspect Brighton weren't totally happy with the club after the Ayari situation.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Nothing. I was open to rak sakyai coming in. I'm just not sure if king is against it or not as much as it's been said that's all

Will say loans aren’t free and clubs often have to pay wages for the player. In this case maybe we could have got three loan players but at the cost of the wages to offer Grimes. Huge balancing act

 

[covcity4life]

I dongbthink our success rate in the Championship has been to bad. But any player incoming is a risk.
At least you can always fuck them off Ayari style if they're not up to it

Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player

Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk

 

[Viktor17]

Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player

Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk

Would go stage back, failure to secure a more ready hamer replacment was issue, Ayari should have supplemented that. We then could have used him better.

instead we had a raw, clearly technically footballer having to be used from off in games, when he was miles away from being ready for that. Layer on a new team and you end up with what we got from him.

 

[Lamps]

Coventry City's stance on loan market amid concerns of Robins being left short

Coventry City comment and analysis from CoventryLive as we look at why the Sky Blues have turned their back on the loan market

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Robins at the start of the season on the change of strategy on loans and having gaps in the squad. Also on having disagreements on subjects.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Exactly! Gary McAllister was running games in the premier league at 35/36. Sometimes you need to invest in players for the here and now and not always think about sell-on value

Dennis Wise wasn't a bad signing either

 

[shmmeee]

Maybe we’ve just been waiting for the right player. It’s not that we’re anti loan/experience - just that we’ve identified certain players and they haven’t come off and we’d rather wait for what’s better than waste cash on fillers.

You’d still have to explain why we’re the only ones to not manage to find an appropriate player

 

[David O'Day]

Well I don't agree. And that's backed up by what Saddles has said. Again, I appreciate that doesn't mean it's true.

Not sure how trying to sign a loan only to be dashed by an injury isn't proof we'll sign loans if needed.

We don't have a loan player as it fell through, King also loaned players last year.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player

Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk

The issue with loans is that clubs are entrusting you with their young talent to develop and play games so there's a relatively high level of expectation there.

The club bringing Ayari in and then not playing him would've almost certainly annoyed Brighton given how highly they rate him. They would've expected him to feature heavily. So I strongly suspect words were had which DK wouldn't have appreciated.

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

Exactly! Gary McAllister was running games in the premier league at 35/36. Sometimes you need to invest in players for the here and now and not always think about sell-on value

I agree w the sentiment but McAllister happens to be a poor example for us.

We spent £3.5m he was a marquee signing. But he left on a free after doing very little for us during his time here.

His first season (96-97) was a disaster and we could not find a way of utilising his skill - the other players tended to just pass to him and stand back and watch in expectation. The following season our form improved dramatically after November when he got a serious injury which ruled him out of the season. His final year was his best season for us - feeding Keane and Hadji in particular - and he was magnificent for Liverpool after leaving us.

His return as manager wasn’t great either.


Here’s hoping that Grimes follows a different path.

 

[Domo]

signing today?

 

[clint van damme]

Not sure how trying to sign a loan only to be dashed by an injury isn't proof we'll sign loans if needed.

We don't have a loan player as it fell through, King also loaned players last year.

The Liverpool player was only a rumour on here, so the source is no different to Saddlebrains saying King is against loans.
Austin was also very negative towards loan signings when asked about them at the forum. I think he'd have mentioned if we'd had one lined up but if fell though and I'm fairly sure it didn't.

 

[Boicey]

I just hope he can bring a bit more than Sheaf.
Play at a higher tempo, be a bit quicker, thread more forward passes, tackle a bit harder, cover the defence a bit better.

If he's a Sheaf MK2 I'll be a bit disappointed.

But absolutely we need more quality, experience and a calm head central midfield to help progress.

 

[Chris1987]

signing today?

According to the Swansea Independent medical at 1pm signing today

 

[clint van damme]

Ayari is an example of us fucking it imo and not the player

Look what he's doing for Brighton in orem less than 12 months later. No way it's about player improvement in that time. Robins admitted he never really gave him a chance because he couldn't take the risk

Though isn't that what loans are to achieve for the parent club, to give the players bit of a kick up the arse?
Harry Kane had a lot of uninspiring loans, I'd imagine it was all part of his development. Not much comfort for the loaning club though.

 

[shmmeee]

Not having any of this woke gentlemen’s agreement nonsense. Sign him today. Play him Saturday, he can not celebrate when we win if he wants to show his respects.