HungarySkyBlue
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Sick Boy
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Priceless. Never change, mate.Jesus fucking wept, have you any fucking idea how fucking offensive that is to the millions of non white British people who are proud to be British, and are a credit to this country, or all the non white service men and women who work in our armed services, hospitals, schools etc etc.
You sick racist c**t
fatso
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Horrible cunts.
MalcSB
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Have you raid the attachment or just looked at the first picture.
The tweet suggests that Rich Vichinchi is an imaginary individual and is based on a character from a board game I’ve never heard of.
My attachment shows he was the outgoing Chairman of NW Leicestershire District Consevatives 7 years ago.
In my view, that makes the original tweet bollocks as he is not a fictional character from a board game.
To think that I get accused of believing stuff on X.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The tweet is a joke Malcolm.
fernandopartridge
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Ian1779
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I personally think it’s disgraceful anyone would suggest Reform UK would not be putting forward top-quality legitimate candidates…
Look at this upstanding gentleman for example…
torchomatic
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Captain Dart
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Well he does make lots of promises which he does not keep.
Here's one oft repeated about council tax. Mine just went up 5%.
MalcSB
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I just can’t win, can I? I‘m a twat if I believe stuff, I’m a twat if I don’t.
I will argue that it least I have shown that I don’t just beliege everything I see and that I will put in a little effort to look a little further.
If tweet is a joke, what is funny about it?
MalcSB
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Well he does make lots of promises which he does not keep.
Here's one oft repeated about council tax. Mine just went up 5%.
Is this a joke as well? The clown delivering it would suggest it is.
As honest as the pre-election defence of winter fuel allowance turned out to be.
People like me weren’t supposed to miss wfa because the triple lock was due in April, Mines all gone already. Energy cap, council tax, general inflation, VED, tax on fuel for the car. But that doesn’t matter, I’m not a working person.
MalcSB
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The worry is, it is entirely believable that decisions are made based in such quality statistics. I’ve seen it happen. Walk in to a meeting early, pick up the paper they are discussing, tell them the maths are wrong, they have a look and agree that the figures are wrong and proceed to continue the discussion and come to a decision based on the data they have already agreed to be indirect.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Apologies if it appeared I was taking the mick, was just pointing out it wasn’t a serious comment. I assume it’s just a joke about the man’s appearance
dutchman
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I'm old enough to remember when sickness benefit was paid at the exact same rate as unemployment benefit and there were very few claims for sickness benefit back then. It was also a lot easier to claim unemployment benefit than sickness benefit.
It was only after the Thatcher administration decided that long term 'sicknesss benefit' should easier to claim and be paid at a much higher rate than unemployment benefit that the number of claims for sickness benefit suddenly skyrocketed. Go figure.
skybluetony176
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Well he does make lots of promises which he does not keep.
Here's one oft repeated about council tax. Mine just went up 5%.
Didn’t he say that in opposition and was specifically talking about the period of 2023-24 while the party in power was allowing council tax bills to go up by huge margins.
IIRC correctly the promise at the GE was that they’d cap rises by 5%. In other words he’s kept his promise by your own evidence.
MalcSB
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Poor bloke. Nothing wrong with him except for his fringe has fallen to below his nose.
Grendel
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nope he didn’t
Millions face council tax rise of more than 5% - BBC News
The government has allowed six areas to bypass the usual 5% cap on council tax increases.
www.bbc.co.uk
Grendel
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Who would have thought?
Daily Mail now firmly behind Starmer and his Tory policies
Daily Mail now firmly behind Starmer and his Tory policies
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Keir Starmer's pledge to wage war on the Blob
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: The rhetoric will have gladdened the heart of any meritocratic small-state Conservative.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Captain Dart
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Why you are making excuses for that POS? I tell you I wouldn't stay loyal to someone who betrayed everyone who voted for him.
shmmeee
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Not sure what true or false has much to do with loyalty. Explains your views a lot though.
Grendel
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But it was false
chiefdave
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So they claimed the figures had quadrupled but it's actually a 30% increase. Problem is people won't read past the headline so it will have the desired 'people claiming sickness are too lazy to work' effect.
Maybe a better idea would be to look at why it has increased 30% Obviously some of it will be the result of the pandemic. I know people like to act like covid never happened, isn't still a thing, and didn't really impact anyone but there's a lot of people who have been left with long term conditions they now have to manage, often with little support.
The other area that is increasing rapidly is mental health issues, especially amongst the younger generation who aren't as prepared to risk their mental health as previous generations possibly were. This has coincided with massive cuts to mental health services, don't have to be a genius to see a link there. If you want more people off benefits and in work then you need to address that issue. But addressing it would probably cost more per person than just having them on the sick so is there any genuine desire to resolve these issues.
Interestingly when ever there is trials of universal basic income the level of people who don't work remains pretty constant. So either the people who aren't working are unable to or if they are 'too lazy to work' there's not really much that's going to change that. I'm not convinced people just choose to work. I've had it suggested to me that I consider going on long term sick due to the impact working is having on my health. When I look at the amount I'd get it would be a matter of weeks before I'd be basically homeless and hitting food banks to survive.
skybluetony176
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I’m not making excuses for him. The link posted was incorrect, he never promised to freeze council tax except in opposition. His promise at the GE was to cap at 5%. Which ironically as someone else’s link has subsequently shown has been broken in the case of six councils. Your own personal evidence is that in your case he’s kept his word. By all means be angry that he hasn’t kept his promises to others but that isn’t what you were initially angry about, you were angry about a lie tweeted by a Tory.
Grendel
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It isn't a lie. You even admit it isn't!
Captain Dart
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No it doesn't Einstein.
skybluetony176
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The initial tweet is a lie. Kevin Hollinrake is quoting what Starmer said in opposition that he would have frozen council tax for the following period. At the GE he promised a 5% cap which has been kept with the exception of 6 councils as your own link shown. He has indeed broken A promise. Just not the one Kevin Hollinrake is claiming he made which is the one Captain D was upset about.
MalcSB
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So easy to say these things in opposition.
Things said in opposition seem to have been better remembered than the manifesto. They ended not saying a lot during the election campaign for fear of dropping the "Ming vase". Was it the manifesto that was voted for or the promises of the last couple years in opposition which continued to echo and distort labour's true position?
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fernandopartridge
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No wonder Tory Toni is a fanWho would have thought?
Daily Mail now firmly behind Starmer and his Tory policies
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Keir Starmer's pledge to wage war on the Blob
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: The rhetoric will have gladdened the heart of any meritocratic small-state Conservative.www.dailymail.co.uk
skybluetony176
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Yeah I ain’t a fan. I’m just not going to get wound up by a lie perpetrated by Tories. If you want to get behind Tory lies then knock yourself out.
SkyBlueDom26
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If you look close enough you’ll spot Tony, proper lad
Grendel
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You don’t seem very wound up by the pledge being broken either
SkyBlueDom26
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Look forward to emigrating as and when that happens