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torchomatic

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ky Blue Trust:Statement on current situation

When Coventry City FC Limited was placed into administration Paul Appleton of David Rubin & Partners LLP was appointed as joint administrator. This means he is in charge of the business. This is established in law

We are therefore confused about why Tim Fisher, former Chief Executive of Coventry City FC, and who we believe is still employed by Coventry City FC (Holdings) Ltd, appears to be exerting such influence over the actions of Paul Appleton, particularly around the future of the club at the Ricoh Arena

We are currently seeking legal clarification of this understanding, as we are concerned to ensure that Paul Appleton is acting in the best interests of the creditors.
Ultimately, the decisions made by Paul Appleton and David Rubin and Partners LLP are about the future not of an ordinary business, but of a community asset; a Football Club that has been part of our City, its life and its community since 1883.

We take the current threat to the future of our Football Club extremely seriously and will not sit back whilst it is buffeted by the demands of a small group of self-interested, selfish individuals who have no interest other than themselves and their short-term investment concerns.

We call on The Football League to investigate this relationship, that the integrity of their competition is protected, and the Football Association also stand firm on this threat to our Football Club and our national game.

Ends

Questions for Mr Paul Appleton CCFC LTD administrator.

Please see the below the following questions sent to Mr Appleton today which relate to the findings in the interim report issued on May 15th and as a result of the trust's meeting with Mr Appleton on May16th.

“Golden Share”



1) There is evidence in the public domain that indicates the golden share is owned by CCFC Ltd and has done continually since 1996 (eg the annual returns of the Football League, the League hand book, the statutory accounts etc). What evidence is there that rebuts this paperwork? Please provide full details

2) What is the detailed basis of CCFC H claim to beneficial ownership? Why is that basis valid?

3) Do Football League regulations and Company Articles permit beneficial or third party ownership?

4) Have you actually seen the “golden share”, and what name is on the document?



Statutory Accounts & Financial records



1) Has there been a change in nature of the trade that is CCFC Ltd since 1995 and if so when?

2) In the last 18 years there have been two different firms of accountants acting as auditors both signing off that CCFC ltd was the professional football club. It is claimed that CCFC Ltd is a non trading property subsidiary, how is it two different auditors have failed to spot something so fundamental to their opinion?

3) Since 1995 various Boards of directors, including the current director, have signed off the accounts they have a statutory responsibility for under the Companies Acts, on the basis that clearly shows the football club trade is in CCFC Ltd. Surely to do that then they must agree their understanding as to the status of the company. In addition there is a clear statement in the financial statements stating that under company law directors must not approve financial statements unless they are satisfied they give a true and fair view of the state of affairs of the company. Were they all wrong?

4) Note 1 Going Concern in Financial Statements to 31/05/11 indicates that the directors had prepared plans to at least 19/06/13 to establish that CCFC Ltd was a going concern as a trading company. It refers to Rent, Payroll, Overheads, Player dealing etc for CCFC Ltd specifically. Was that statement incorrect at 19/06/12?

5) Does CCFC Ltd have its own bank account and is it active regularly? What is the nature of the transactions in that account and have those transactions or their frequency changed in the last 10 years?

6) Does the club use the CCFC H bank account for administrative ease?

7) The Memorandum & Articles filed 14/11/1996 clearly state that CCFC Ltd was set up to acquire the trade of The Coventry City Football Club Limited and to trade as Coventry City Football Club, and yet it is asserted the football club trade has always been in CCFC H that appears contradictory why?

8) Clearly for the auditors to sign off the 31/05/11 accounts on 20/06/12 they would need to have been aware of any changes in the nature of trade for CCFC Ltd. That change would be fundamental to anyone relying on the CCFC Ltd accounts, why was there no disclosure made by the directors in the financial statements to 31/05/11 signed off by them 19/06/12?

9) If CCFC Ltd is a non trading property subsidiary with only a liability to pay 1.3m in rent/licence payments with no income how does it have a turnover of 9m, costs of 12m and losses of 3m in year to 31/05/12 and similar in previous years? How has it needed to accumulate such high levels of debt?

10) Why did the due diligence on acquisition by SISU fail to identify the apparent change in nature of CCFC Ltd that is contradicted by the published financial statements?











Player Contracts & Registrations



1) In which company are the player contracts? Have those contracts always been in that company if not when did that change?

2) In which company are the player registrations? If different to the player contracts how is that possible given that to have a contract to play in the Football League the player must be registered?

3) If the playing staff are in CCFC H please explain the disclosures relating to playing staff in the 2011 CCFC Ltd accounts (notes 1, 5, 15, 17, 18, 20)

4) Have the Football League been properly informed of any changes in the prescribed manner and at the correct time?

5) If player contracts have been separated from the registrations when did this happen and were the Football League made fully aware of the circumstances

6) Clearly the financial statements signed by the directors and independently audited up to and including signature 19/06/12 show player transactions, numbers, pension, wage costs etc as fundamental items to the CCFC Ltd operation. How is it concluded that CCFC Ltd was not the operational entity of the professional football club? In deed the administration report appears to indicate this was still the case for accounts to 31/05/12 yet to be audited

7) If there is a case for the player contracts being assets of CCFC Ltd why are CCFC Holdings Ltd being allowed to terminate certain contracts?



Lease & Licence



1) The lease & licence is agreed as in the name of CCFC Ltd then why has it been disclosed in the accounts of CCFC H (notes 2, 12, 19 of CCFC H accounts 2011)

2) If it is because CCFC H has paid the rent from its bank account in the same way as say the golden share/league fees then is the beneficial interest in the Lease & licence actually CCFC H using the same principle?

3) If the nature of CCFC ltd has changed at any time since 2005 was the landlord ever notified so that they could assess the risk to their finances?

4) As it is now asserted that CCFC Ltd was purely a non trading property subsidiary was this made clear in the rental negotiations in the interests of full disclosure to enable ACL to properly assess the needs of the club, if not why not?

5) Why has the balance due on the remainder of the lease/licence (42 years) not been included in the list of creditors on the administration statement?



Group Debt and Loans



1) The last published accounts showed debts to other group entities at £52.2m and no debt to ARVO. The administration report under two years later now shows 59.2m and 10.2m respectively. An increase of 17.2m. Why?

2) Amounts disclosed as loans from SISU capital and ARVO in the SBS&L accounts total 29m and 2m respectively. Yet the amount owed by CCFC Ltd at that date totalled 52.2m at the same date. Can you explain the apparent discrepancy?

3) Do the loans outstanding to CCFC H, SBS&L and ARVO represent only cash advanced to CCFC Ltd ?

4) Did CCFC Ltd benefit from the deal to discount the liabilities taken over by SISU when they acquired the group? If not why not?

5) Why is the inter group amount between CCFC H and CCFC Ltd written off in the accounts of CCFC H but not in the accounts of CCFC Ltd?

6) If the trade and/or assets (including player contracts) have been transferred from CCFC Ltd to CCFCH has CCFC Ltd been credited with the full value of those transfers?

7) Do any amounts outstanding to CCFCH pre date the SISU takeover?

8) From the administration report there is disclosed a loss of 3.2m which equates to the increase in deficit on the balance sheet to 31/05/12. That deficit then increases by a further 12m from 01/06/12 to 15/05/13. Please explain this increase in losses and debt in 9 months



ARVO Charge



1) Have any funds ever been paid directly to CCFC Ltd by ARVO if so how much?

2) If the funds were not paid directly were they paid into CCFCH first?

3) If 2) above is correct then why is the liability CCFC Ltd’s?

4) Further if the money went to CCFCH first then CCFC Ltd, that would increase the inter company debt between the two and the ARVO claim is a double claim for the same amount can you clarify this?

5) How much of what is owed to ARVO is interest rolled up and how much is capital? Are there penalties for non payment included? What is the rate of interest?

6) There are two charges listed at Company House for CCFC Ltd, the ARVO one is the latest. Given the values and debt involved how can the same assets sensibly be charged by two parties at the same time?
 

torchomatic

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Other Matters



1) Have you had access to all company/directors minutes since 1995?

2) What is the purpose of Otium Entertainments Group Limited? It is currently under notice to be struck off the Company House register.

3) Given the apparent “errors” in the financial statements what actions do you propose to take in respect of (a) directors (b) shadow directors (c) auditors

4) It is understood that the option to purchase 50% of the ACL shares from the Alan Edward Higgs Charity is and can only be held by CCFC Ltd. Can you therefore explain why it was disclosed in the 2008 financial statements as purchased by SBS&L for £1m and who that £1m was paid to?

5) Were the loans from MR Robinson & McGinnity etc and assigned to SBS&L in February 2008 ever actually paid?

6) Did the debts February 2008 taken over include a contingent liability to pay Mr Robinson & McGinnity £6m on promotion to the Premiership by 2013?

7) Please clarify the approach to Football League, HMRC and Company House, considering the potentially numerous incorrect declarations that have been made?

8) How do you feel able to express opinions etc in respect of the club and/or CCFCH when you are appointed as an administrator of a non trading non football property subsidiary only?

9) Please explain why payment from a particular bank account proves beneficial ownership for some things but not others? Or why banking another entities income brings about beneficial ownership? Surely it is who has the liability to pay or the name on the contract that takes prime importance. The payment is an internal accounting matter. Or who is due the income that is important. If “Coventry City Football Club” is simply quoted that proves nothing for either company.

10) If the whole basis of the accounts is incorrect in that CCFC Ltd never traded then how will this be rectified?

11) Again if the whole basis of the accounts filed is incorrect then creditors including ACL and others have relied on that information and could potentially have a claim against directors, shadow directors and others. Would you agree?
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
Blimy boys thats a lot of questions and imho Appleton is way out of his depth with this.

Trust shouldnt even be pursing this clown. Their only question should be to the football league:

Taking into cpnsideration all the crap that has been thrown around ccfc in the last 12 months, WHO is fit and proper for you to issue the golden share back to? Sisu or PH4? Make your mind up asap so we can put an end to this charade.
 

RogerH

New Member
Certainly poses many questions regarding the quality (or lack of) the job Appleton has done. You wonder if he is just incompetent or has been (as many of us fear) in SISU's pocket all along.
 

Voice_of_Reason

Well-Known Member
Absolutely brilliant -- squeeky bum time for Mr Appleton. Is it possible for Lawyers to submit these questions ? Less likelyhood of being fobbed off, as failure to answer could be used in any Court proceedings ?
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
you can't say that he's in sisu's pocket thats libellous he may be incompetent only time will tell.i will be amazed if we come out of this with a football club at all
 

wingy

Well-Known Member
Blimy boys thats a lot of questions and imho Appleton is way out of his depth with this.

Trust shouldnt even be pursing this clown. Their only question should be to the football league:

Taking into cpnsideration all the crap that has been thrown around ccfc in the last 12 months, WHO is fit and proper for you to issue the golden share back to? Sisu or PH4? Make your mind up asap so we can put an end to this charade.

Absolutely ,Utterly unfit for purpose.
 

TheRoyalScam

Well-Known Member
Blimy boys thats a lot of questions and imho Appleton is way out of his depth with this.

Trust shouldnt even be pursing this clown. Their only question should be to the football league:

Taking into cpnsideration all the crap that has been thrown around ccfc in the last 12 months, WHO is fit and proper for you to issue the golden share back to? Sisu or PH4? Make your mind up asap so we can put an end to this charade.

Reg, I received an email of this at 12.20 today - reading this paragraph, I'm sure the Trust would have sent one to the FL and FA:

We call on The Football League to investigate this relationship, that the integrity of their competition is protected, and the Football Association also stand firm on this threat to our Football Club and our national game.
 

RogerH

New Member
Appleton has apparently done a number of administrations for SISU before. Is there an element of familiarity here ? Has he been brought in to produce a "certain" outcome ?. Does his chance of future employment from SISU (jobs for the boys) depend on getting the "right" result ?. Of course you cannot directly make these accusations because nobody would admit it and there would be no proof.
We can all draw our own conclusions, though.
 

BrisbaneBronco

Well-Known Member
Well done SBT and thanks to Torchy.
A copy should go to both the FA and FL and the admin Ombudsman if there is such a body. Appleton is way out of his depth.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
Reg, I received an email of this at 12.20 today - reading this paragraph, I'm sure the Trust would have sent one to the FL and FA:

We call on The Football League to investigate this relationship, that the integrity of their competition is protected, and the Football Association also stand firm on this threat to our Football Club and our national game.

Hi TRS good to see you :)

Well I hope so mate. And if so, i hope they show some balls and chuck sisu out. Sisu are masters of the court room, I think the FL are just plain scared but I cant see why. Its the FLs rules, its their ball, its up to them who plays with it.
 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member
Just so people are aware the Trust has been in contact with the Football League and has been promised a meeting. The date for this has yet to be sorted but we are pushing them to make it sooner rather than later - we even had colleagues from Supporters Direct talking to them at Wembley yesterday. As soon as there is anything to report we will let everyone know.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
Just so people are aware the Trust has been in contact with the Football League and has been promised a meeting. The date for this has yet to be sorted but we are pushing them to make it sooner rather than later - we even had colleagues from Supporters Direct talking to them at Wembley yesterday. As soon as there is anything to report we will let everyone know.

Well done.
 

Stafford_SkBlue

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Quote from statement: We are therefore confused about why Tim Fisher, former Chief Executive of Coventry City FC, and who we believe is still employed by Coventry City FC (Holdings) Ltd, appears to be exerting such influence over the actions of Paul Appleton, particularly around the future of the club at the Ricoh Arena

I thought it was well known that Holdings is not in admin and are carrying running the football club and paying the staff and players wages.
The alternative: If it was run by the administrator, I suspect the staff would be made redundant and the players told to find new clubs, and we be left with the ones who no one else wants.
The present arrangement actually keeps the club together.
None of us knows where this will end up but almost certain needs a judge verdict to establish the ownership.
 

jas365

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Thanks for uploading the statement, it's a staggering read when you look at some of the discrepencies.
 

Waldorf

New Member
The published accounts for the past 18 years say that the principal business of CCFC Ltd is running a professional football club. They show income from gate receipts and payments of players' wages. The League Handbook for the season just finished gives CCFC Ltd as the registered company. CCFC Holdings on the other hand, has as its main business providing management services to CCFC Ltd.
So just which is the club? And which is in administration? Not the company that Fisher is CEO of.
 

TurkeyTrot

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Any faith I had in the Trust contributing to a solution to this sorry shambles was lost by this thread. The opening sentences of their initial post shows a complete failure to grasp the basics.

Paul Appleton, the administrator was appointed by the Court on CCFC's recommendation and accepted as such by ACL, who forced the administration issue in the first place. He was not appointed by Sisu, who did not seek administration until one of its businesses was threatened by such action by ACL.

Mr Appleton is in charge of the affairs of Coventry City FC Ltd, the company that is in administration, nothing more. His fees are being underwritten by Sisu, as the owners of the company in administration, as is common in such cases where recovery of the fees from the sale of assets is unlikely.

If the Trust really wants to see Coventry City Football Club back where it belongs, as we all do, ideally with owners we can believe in and genuinely trust, they should wake up and smell the coffee and start to investigate the affairs of ACL, the Higgs Charity

Was your coffee bitter this morning?
 

inside track

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Sorry, to complete post:

Posted by inside track:

Any faith I had in the Trust contributing to a solution to this sorry shambles was lost by this thread. The opening sentences of their initial post shows a complete failure to grasp the basics.

Paul Appleton, the administrator was appointed by the Court on CCFC's recommendation and accepted as such by ACL, who forced the administration issue in the first place. He was not appointed by Sisu, who did not seek administration until one of its businesses was threatened by such action by ACL.

Mr Appleton is in charge of the affairs of Coventry City FC Ltd, the company that is in administration, nothing more. His fees are being underwritten by Sisu, as the owners of the company in administration, as is common in such cases where recovery of the fees from the sale of assets is unlikely.

If the Trust really wants to see Coventry City Football Club back where it belongs, as we all do, ideally with owners we can believe in and genuinely trust, they should wake up and smell the coffee and start to investigate the affairs of ACL, the Higgs Charity, and the involvement of Coventry City Council and its officers. They are as culpable as Sisu in bringing this wonderful club that my Dad loved so much to its knees.

Barrack room accountancy talk won't do.
 

inside track

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Just so people are aware the Trust has been in contact with the Football League and has been promised a meeting. The date for this has yet to be sorted but we are pushing them to make it sooner rather than later - we even had colleagues from Supporters Direct talking to them at Wembley yesterday. As soon as there is anything to report we will let everyone know.

Just make sure you meet someone worth meeting, rather than the guy that was delegated to talk to Bob Ainsworth.
 

wingy

Well-Known Member
Sorry, to complete post:

Posted by inside track:

Any faith I had in the Trust contributing to a solution to this sorry shambles was lost by this thread. The opening sentences of their initial post shows a complete failure to grasp the basics.

Paul Appleton, the administrator was appointed by the Court on CCFC's recommendation and accepted as such by ACL, who forced the administration issue in the first place. He was not appointed by Sisu, who did not seek administration until one of its businesses was threatened by such action by ACL.

Mr Appleton is in charge of the affairs of Coventry City FC Ltd, the company that is in administration, nothing more. His fees are being underwritten by Sisu, as the owners of the company in administration, as is common in such cases where recovery of the fees from the sale of assets is unlikely.

If the Trust really wants to see Coventry City Football Club back where it belongs, as we all do, ideally with owners we can believe in and genuinely trust, they should wake up and smell the coffee and start to investigate the affairs of ACL, the Higgs Charity, and the involvement of Coventry City Council and its officers. They are as culpable as Sisu in bringing this wonderful club that my Dad loved so much to its knees.

Barrack room accountancy talk won't do.
This is a Barrack room ,Go get your Boyfriend to publish SISU's Failed agenda ,oh hang on maybe he already has .
 

wingy

Well-Known Member
By the WAy how long till the Judge rules on the Portfolio sent to Get ACL?Council in court .
 

Delboycov

Active Member
Very good question. Maybe there are good reasons why they haven't..

Well having the 'inside track' you'd know the answer to that presumably...have a word with your "journalist boyfriend" or maybe you'll get another call from your "journalist friend" You have more sources than HP!
 

jas365

Well-Known Member
Sorry, to complete post:

Posted by inside track:

Any faith I had in the Trust contributing to a solution to this sorry shambles was lost by this thread. The opening sentences of their initial post shows a complete failure to grasp the basics.

Paul Appleton, the administrator was appointed by the Court on CCFC's recommendation and accepted as such by ACL, who forced the administration issue in the first place. He was not appointed by Sisu, who did not seek administration until one of its businesses was threatened by such action by ACL.

Mr Appleton is in charge of the affairs of Coventry City FC Ltd, the company that is in administration, nothing more. His fees are being underwritten by Sisu, as the owners of the company in administration, as is common in such cases where recovery of the fees from the sale of assets is unlikely.

If the Trust really wants to see Coventry City Football Club back where it belongs, as we all do, ideally with owners we can believe in and genuinely trust, they should wake up and smell the coffee and start to investigate the affairs of ACL, the Higgs Charity, and the involvement of Coventry City Council and its officers. They are as culpable as Sisu in bringing this wonderful club that my Dad loved so much to its knees.

Barrack room accountancy talk won't do.

Are you on drugs?
 

inside track

New Member
Well having the 'inside track' you'd know the answer to that presumably...have a word with your "journalist boyfriend" or maybe you'll get another call from your "journalist friend" You have more sources than HP!

I admit my "journalist friend" is my boy friend, and he hates me coming on here. "Making things ten times worse," he keeps saying, but he knows what the club means to me and we both know that things that people say on here are often way off beam. Understandably, because it is hellishly complicated, but people that keep on pressing the "Sisu Out" button, while perfectly understandable are missing the point of a lot of it.

I just wish Joy Seppala would give a proper interview, rather than hide behind set written questions, issued in advance, from the Coventry Telegraph as she once did. If she was prepared to, I know that there is a lot she could say which might just make people think again, assuming they would listen and give her a fair hearing of course,
 

Delboycov

Active Member
I admit my "journalist friend" is my boy friend, and he hates me coming on here. "Making things ten times worse," he keeps saying, but he knows what the club means to me and we both know that things that people say on here are often way off beam. Understandably, because it is hellishly complicated, but people that keep on pressing the "Sisu Out" button, while perfectly understandable are missing the point of a lot of it.

I just wish Joy Seppala would give a proper interview, rather than hide behind set written questions, issued in advance, from the Coventry Telegraph as she once did. If she was prepared to, I know that there is a lot she could say which might just make people think again, assuming they would listen and give her a fair hearing of course,

Agree with your last paragraph there but is there really any chance of that happening?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I admit my "journalist friend" is my boy friend, and he hates me coming on here. "Making things ten times worse," he keeps saying, but he knows what the club means to me and we both know that things that people say on here are often way off beam. Understandably, because it is hellishly complicated, but people that keep on pressing the "Sisu Out" button, while perfectly understandable are missing the point of a lot of it.

I just wish Joy Seppala would give a proper interview, rather than hide behind set written questions, issued in advance, from the Coventry Telegraph as she once did. If she was prepared to, I know that there is a lot she could say which might just make people think again, assuming they would listen and give her a fair hearing of course,

You have insinuated that there are shady goings on at the charity and ACL-care to substantiate? Perhaps even partake in a conversation on football?
 

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