Fisher rejects Hoffman offer (16 Viewers)

chiefdave

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Just for a giggle - could you please explain how you reach your valuation of £100m for a business that is losing money, has virtually no assets and is in the middle of destroying its customer base.

Please.

What Tim, sorry true sky blue, is saying is if you pay back SISU every penny of the made up debt figure and a nice chunk on top they might consider leaving. Meanwhile in the real world there are metrics to value companies and CCFC is worth very little and the longer SISU are here the lower that value is getting.
 

hotrod

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Surely if as has been reported that this is true,then to me this proves that Sisu are out to break Acl & subsequently obtain the Ricoh for next to nothing.


Regards.
 

kmj5000

Member
when will some fans understand? this is not about the Ricoh anymore. its about destroying ACL. like any good business sisu will need to protect their own business by destroying anyone who causes them to lose money. the short story here is ACL took the strong hand approach while sisu simply bid their time. now acl and its supporters are begging for understanding. ffs grow some balls hoffman, offer 100 million for the club and its yours, but dont expect Sisu to simply let you have it for nothing or next to nothing not even covering the debts.

the 'hoffer' is having a laugh with the 'ill pay the rent' milarky'. fisher is doing the right thing - saying put your money where your mouth is
 

RegTheDonk

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What Tim, sorry true sky blue, is saying is if you pay back SISU every penny of the made up debt figure and a nice chunk on top they might consider leaving. Meanwhile in the real world there are metrics to value companies and CCFC is worth very little and the longer SISU are here the lower that value is getting.

Excactly.

Just because you pay (or say you've paid) an amount for something, doesn't mean it will hold that value. Depreciation affects almost everthing around us.
 

Astute

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Surely if as has been reported that this is true,then to me this proves that Sisu are out to break Acl & subsequently obtain the Ricoh for next to nothing.


Regards.

As if it hadn't been obvious for a fair amount of time now though :whistle::blue:
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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Unless your apple and Samsung.

I know what you are saying; but even in that acrimonious battle, their end-game isn't to 'destroy' each other. They want dominance, and will use law suits, intellectual property protection and any other medium to achieve that.

I'm sure that in either the boardrooms of Apple or Samsung, their driving ambition isn't to destroy the other. It's to dominate the other.

When people come on here and defend illegal and immoral behaviours, and excuse it as 'that's business'; they simply haven't got a clue. In my experience, there's very, very little of such in business whatsoever
 

kmj5000

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The club has no assets, just liabilities (overpaid and under-performing players). It is not, as Timmy stated
"at the bottom of a cycle" but it's at the "top of a spiral". No-one but an idiot would suggest that it's worth £100m!

This post is directed at "true sky blue"
 
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Astute

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Excactly.

Just because you pay (or say you've paid) an amount for something, doesn't mean it will hold that value. Depreciation affects almost everthing around us.

They paid £1 IIRC. They will be lucky if we are still worth that much now.
 

mattylad

Member
That's a joke considering its coming from the poster who calls anyone who doesn't agree with him "a scab" or "Tim Fisher."
Honestly, your posts almost make me want to side with SISU. That's an impressive superpower you got there champ!
Ha ha find one post where I have ever done that. ..the only thing more stupid than your response is the people who liked it lol
 

cofastreecity

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Former Coventry City vice-chairman Gary Hoffman has come up with a sensational deal that would keep the Sky Blues playing at The Ricoh Arena – but he says it has been rejected out of hand by Sisu.

Hoffman, who has attempted to negotiate a number of deals to buy out the owners, is now offering to pay the Ricoh rent for the next three seasons and underwrite any compensation incurred if City pull out of their agreement to groundshare with Northampton Town.

In a exclusive interview with the Coventry Telegraph, he said: “I am as frustrated and heartbroken as any CCFC fan to see the club I support leaving my home town.

“The irony that I now live in Northampton very close to the NTFC Chairman is not lost on me. My kids know his kids well

“I go and see the Cobblers occasionally when the Sky Blues aren’t playing but I won’t go and watch Coventry play their home games in Northampton. It is just wrong.

“There is too much baggage and history and I know some of my own relationships with Sisu don’t help. It is a real personal regret if that has got in the way of progress. What a mess the whole thing is!

“Every party has said that if they could find a way for Coventry to play in Coventry they would. Otium, ACL, the Football League and, above all, the fans.

“In order to imagine a better future you have to forget some of the past. I would like to try to ‘unblock’ things, and I have a proposal. I have discussed with Tim Fisher and his immediate reply was “thanks but, no.” Emphatically no

“My proposal is this;

“I raise the money to pay the rent for the next three seasons. I assume £400k per season as that is the number speculated

“ Otium has to pay nothing towards it. They save the costs of the deal on Northampton (excluding any break clause costs which we would pay too)

“ ACL get their rent. The casino benefits, the hotel benefits. In fact everyone benefits. No losers

“I assume that the attendance at the Ricoh would be at least 5000 per game more than at Sixfields. This is undoubtedly conservative

“ So, 5000 @ at an average £15 per ticket for 25 games. £1.875m extra revenue. Otium can take half of this upside for trading purposes. The people who put the money up with me would take a return to cover financing and other costs. But kept to a reasonable sum. The rest should be invested in the Academy

“Forget the long term for the time being. If Otium want to build a new stadium that is up to them

“I am only interested in CCFC. Not making money. I wish I was not involved. But it is my club.

“I want Coventry to play in Coventry. It seems to me that this is in everyone’s interest. Otium, particularly will be financially better off and the club more attractive in the future

“I call on everyone to put the past behind them and end this heartbreak. What is there to lose?”

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SISU are too interested in the Judicial Review as that is how they think they will get their stadium, when they lose they will have dimanteled the club, thats when in their eyes they win, 130 Years up the shoot in 18 months of Fishers reign
 

chiefdave

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Appleton now saying he will mediate between SISU and ACL, why didn't he do that to start with? Maybe he's getting a bit worried people are going to start asking questions about how the administration was carried out.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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Ohhhh what I would give for Fishers address right now or even just to bump into that fat Prick !!!

I'd quite like to "bump into him" if it was whilst descending a narrow, icy mountain path that he was attempting to ascend, my momentum being just enough to send him over the edge into the rocky crags below.
 

mattylad

Member
Appleton now saying he will mediate between SISU and ACL, why didn't he do that to start with? Maybe he's getting a bit worried people are going to start asking questions about how the administration was carried out.
Have you seen how much he charges an hour :D would be a longer mediation than the end of the Korean war.
 

The Penguin

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Appleton now saying he will mediate between SISU and ACL, why didn't he do that to start with? Maybe he's getting a bit worried people are going to start asking questions about how the administration was carried out.

I don't care how worried he's getting. He, the directors of the club, and the auditors, all need to be thoroughly investigated.
 

torchomatic

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Ohhhh what I would give for Fishers address right now or even just to bump into that fat Prick !!!

You want to 'bump' into his fat prick?

Jeez, these SISU apologists are weird.

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mattylad

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Paul Appleton believes his position means he is right man to conduct “independent” mediation – despite fans’ unhappiness over his proposed sale to Otium
Coventry City's administrator Paul Appleton has offered to act as a mediator alongside the Football League to keep the Sky Blues in Coventry.

Paul Appleton’s offer follows calls from two city MPs – Jim Cunningham and Geoffrey Robinson – for binding arbitration between Sisu-owned Coventry City Holdings and the part-council owned Arena Coventry Limited.

Mr Appleton, joint administrator for Coventry City Football Club Limited who has proposed a £1.5million sale to Sisu firm Otium, said: “Throughout this process, I’ve spoken to the Football League, Sisu and ACL on numerous occasions and offered to mediate between all parties in a bid to come to the right decision for fans – and that is for Coventry to play football at the Ricoh Arena. That offer remains.”

Mr Appleton said the Football League should be included, after it had granted permission for the Northampton groundshare but had also urged talks between Otium/CCFC Holdings and ACL.

CCFC Holdings director Tim Fisher has so far ruled out new talks over the Ricoh.

Mr Appleton believes his position as administrator means he is the right man to conduct “independent” mediation – despite fans’ unhappiness over Mr Appleton’s proposed sale to Otium.

He re-iterated selecting Otium as purchaser was the only option to fulfil his legal duty to creditors. He said: “My hands are tied, but I still have the greatest sympathy for the fans.”

Sources close to Mr Appleton say he believed an alternative sale to US bidder Preston Haskell IV “would have bought litigation” – meaning a legal dispute with CCFC Holdings.

Mr Appleton said his investigations into CCFC were also continuing ahead of his legal duty to submit a report to the government’s Business department (BIS) on the conduct of past and present Coventry City directors, stretching back three years before the company went into administration.

He said he had now received some information, and was awaiting more from auditors BDO concerning the club’s accounts, and whether BDO had signed them off.

Allegation about this had also been raised by Coventry MP Bob Ainsworth in a Parliamentary Early Day Motion.

Mr Appleton, in an interview with the Telegraph, added he had also forwarded more information requested by ACL to show how the other bids were inferior for unsecured creditors.

He has refuted ACL allegations his proposals should have done more to explain how Otium would meet the League’s insolvency policy. The League has still to decide on whether it will transfer its crucial “golden share” right to play in the League to Otium.

It remains to be seen if ACL will sign Mr Appleton’s proposed CVA at a creditors’ meeting on July 22. It would mean accepting a £590,000 return on £1.4million of unpaid Sky Blues rent debt, and for the cancellation of the 40-year rent/lease agreement.

Coventry City Council leaders have been silent over whether they might accept renewed talks over stadium ownership, rent and matchday revenues at any point.

But Labour councillor Kevin Maton, facing questions on social media, suggested the new council leadership under Ann Lucas might bring a new approach. He added it would be good if Ricoh talks were possible.
 

wingy

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IS he actually saying PH4's Bid was superior to Otiums but he ducked it as court action was likely?? Not his remit surely??
 

Astute

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Sounds like even Appleton is a bit worried :D
 

wingy

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I think he Knows he's been exposed where BDO have stated yesterday that they've provided all Information requested, while everyone knows certain Information has been withheld ,either him or them in the frame.
 

mattylad

Member
I think he Knows he's been exposed where BDO have stated yesterday that they've provided all Information requested, while everyone knows certain Information has been withheld ,either him or them in the frame.
Maybe the BDO information backs up what is actually in the accounts rather than TF's version of events that Holdings have always ran the club. If it can be proved that Ltd was actually running the club then questions ust be asked of his decision to only sell some of the assets in LTD to Holdings rather than sell all of LTD to another buyer.
 

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