CVA not agreed (1 Viewer)

[covmark]

Agree with you about it being a gamble and the most frustrating thing is we won't know if it was a gamble worth taking until it's all over and the dust settles. What makes me very angry is that both sides are gambling with the very future of our club and I question their moral right to do that...one thing playing 'hard ball' in business but when they're using the emotional ties of fans to get what they want then for me that is unforgivable.

100% agreed, the only outcome I can see from any of this is heartache for us the fans

 

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[grego_gee]

Anyway Les only said the word is they wont sign the CVA TOMORROW -
It was inevitable really that they will twist and turn and hold out till the very last minute!
There is nearly another week before time is up.

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[Paxman II]

Mixed feelings really...Certainly a negative thing for the team in so many ways but if this is the only opportunity we have of unearthing any dodgy or even illegal activities by whoever is running our club then surely that's what all fans who have the club at heart would want. I would've given anything for investigations to have taken place into the actions of BR and others and I wouldn't like to be in the same position again in a few years after SISU inevitably take us further into the abyss....at least there will then be no need for innuendo after innuendo whatever the outcome.

Jesus are we not in the abyss already? Is there any further to go? I suggest some of you wake up. Calling for investigations into SISU is astounding me. Who do you think pays for that? You really think (and I can't think why or how) that SISU have made criminal decisions over a pathetic football club in their empire? That you will change the FL and FA stance for good and open cans of worms everywhere? Oh I see we in Coventry live under rocks because we think we are more important than any one else? I suggest some on here smell the coffee a bit quick and hope the CVA is signed and we move forward and not further into that abyss we may then never return from. To think some of you love your sky blues. Will you call for protest with fake lady Godiva's if ACL turn this into a vendetta? They should be trying to do all they can to get the football back playing at the Ricoh in our town whatever it takes.

 

[Delboycov]

Jesus are we not in the abyss already? Is there any further to go? I suggest some of you wake up. Calling for investigations into SISU is astounding me. Who do you think pays for that? You really think (and I can't think why or how) that SISU have made criminal decisions over a pathetic football club in their empire? That you will change the FL and FA stance for good and open cans of worms everywhere? Oh I see we in Coventry live under rocks because we think we are more important than any one else? I suggest some on here smell the coffee a bit quick and hope the CVA is signed and we move forward and not further into that abyss we may then never return from. To think some of you love your sky blues. Will you call for protest with fake lady Godiva's if ACL turn this into a vendetta? They should be trying to do all they can to get the football back playing at the Ricoh in our town whatever it takes.

From the posts I've read on here lately you're one of the few I'd say should 'wake up and smell the coffee'...Why don't you try a balanced view for a change instead of consistently lambasting only one of the parties in this pathetic game? "To think some of you love your sky blues" Where do you get off you sanctimonius deluded fool...I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror because your blinkered view of what's been happening at the club we ALL love is quite frankly becoming embarrassing.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Any hope of playing at the Ricoh went months ago our owners do as they please they have polls then go against them but as usual people chose to believe their version of events. This of course will be someones else s fault not Sisu history shows they blame everone but themselves.

It really is time for them to Go.

Jesus Christ, "well done ACL" that comment sums you up. You're an utter disgrace. You do know any hope of playing at the Ricoh is gone if this is true, but that obviously doesn't bother you

 

[dadgad]

From the posts I've read on here lately you're one of the few I'd say should 'wake up and smell the coffee'...Why don't you try a balanced view for a change instead of consistently lambasting only one of the parties in this pathetic game? "To think some of you love your sky blues" Where do you get off you sanctimonius deluded fool...I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror because your blinkered view of what's been happening at the club we ALL love is quite frankly becoming embarrassing.

Well said!
The club are owned by bullies who only a few days ago were releasing stories that they had appointed a team of architects for a stadium even the naive know they have no intention of building. The real intention of this was to pressurise acceptance of the CVA.....a Pre condition of talks. This was to be resisted. ACL hopefully will do this and by so doing we may get an investigation (not by Appleton) into the irregularities concerning Ltd/ Holdings and the accounts. Did the FL fuck up over player registrations? Was that a factor in permitting the Ground share contrary to their own guidelines? All of this needs addressing just as the historical shite concerning past owners and CCC stitch ups. All of this has destroyed our club and if we want it back we have to welcome any investigation that aims to reveal the truth.
We, the fans, are innocents in all this so should encourage any form of investigation. We have nothing to lose ffs, and may, one day, get our club back.
Pusb

 

[VegetableSamosa]

I was going to say I would love for someone to look at our recent history and produce a timeline of what exactly has happened regarding who owns us, where the Golden Share has been and all that.

But right now, I don't care. I support my football club because they're a football club and I want to watch football, not a complicated legal drama that would probably get cancelled after one series on Itv2 because it was too dull and complicated to follow. I'm tired of this shit now, I just want to get lost in the game I love. Coventry City Football Club was a great escape from reality for 90minutes every Saturday and now it's not. It shouldn't be this hard.

 

[Paxman II]

Well said!
The club are owned by bullies who only a few days ago were releasing stories that they had appointed a team of architects for a stadium even the naive know they have no intention of building. The real intention of this was to pressurise acceptance of the CVA.....a Pre condition of talks. This was to be resisted. ACL hopefully will do this and by so doing we may get an investigation (not by Appleton) into the irregularities concerning Ltd/ Holdings and the accounts. Did the FL fuck up over player registrations? Was that a factor in permitting the Ground share contrary to their own guidelines? All of this needs addressing just as the historical shite concerning past owners and CCC stitch ups. All of this has destroyed our club and if we want it back we have to welcome any investigation that aims to reveal the truth.
We, the fans, are innocents in all this so should encourage any form of investigation. We have nothing to lose ffs, and may, one day, get our club back.
Pusb

...you won't get your club back. It will be gone.
Tell what evidence do you have that SISU as owners of the football club and operators of CCFC (Ltd) have done anything illegal?
So everything SISU do is a bluff? Like we won't be playing at Northampton?
In your eyes then ACL/council have done nothing to damage our club you want back? Are not both sides culpable?
You think you can just run people out of town because you don't like them?
Not sure what outcome you are expecting from all this and where you wish this all to end?

 

[dadgad]

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In your eyes then ACL/council have done nothing to damage our club you want back? Are not both sides culpable? ?

Did you even read my post?

I do want to know the truth, yes, of course.

Is such an aim realistic.....? Not sure, but please don't suggest it shouldn't be something worth having.

 

[japandy]

I can't believe all this hysteria over a tweet from a second rate 'so called' journalist!! Who has Reid got this from? I bet he is loving the attention his tweet is getting, and do you know what? The meeting hasn't taken place so how on earth can he reach this outcome? Unless he now has become mystic Meg. What is it with you guys? You believe any drivel that is spouted on here and then you rip into each other like dogs on heat. I love football. I love CCFC but I don't live and breath it. It's time some of you got lives. or at least put some positivity into your lives. It's summer. The weather is beautiful. Believe it or not CCFC have a game this Saturday that will be played somewhere on this plant. I support CCFC and will follow them whatever. AND I will not react to a pathetic journalist who has NEVER produced an article of note just so he gets a reaction. He comes on here NOT to inform but to get a 'fans' reaction. Tomorrow's headlines will probably read 'Fans worry about CVA not being signed'. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE PAPERS

 

[Bennets Afro]

I can't believe people don't want an investigation.
Don't people want to know when assets were transfered and when CCFC Ltd became a non trading property subsidory.
Simple question... Do people really believe that Sisu will come back to the Ricoh if the CVA is signed???

I for one don't. They are spiteful evil people and will build a new ground out of spite to get one up on acl. They wasn't bluffing about the groundshare and I can't see them bluffing about the new ground.

Discussions now are a tick in the box for the FL and to try and stop the investigation into asset stripping

 

[Sub]

I can't believe people don't want an investigation.
Don't people want to know when assets were transfered and when CCFC Ltd became a non trading property subsidory.
Simple question... Do people really believe that Sisu will come back to the Ricoh if the CVA is signed???

I for one don't. They are spiteful evil people and will build a new ground out of spite to get one up on acl. They wasn't bluffing about the groundshare and I can't see them bluffing about the new ground.


Discussions now are a tick in the box for the FL and to try and stop the investigation into asset stripping

i agree completely with this !! we need to find out what the hell has been going on and get things put straight and hopefully we can build from the bottom and get back to being a community football club and back in our home city !!

 

[torchomatic]

1. We lose 15 points.
2. There will be further investigation into CCFC Ltd
3. CCFC Ltd may/will be liquidated meaning ACL get nothing or next to nothing.
4. While we remain in Admin Fl have said no Ground share however they are likely to back track as long the games go ahead.

5. SISU remain whether it is rejected or not.

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[lifelongcityfan]

6. Fisher is struck off as a directot due to malpractice...???

 

[true sky blue]

now tell me the council are not out to screw our club up! go on.

the fact is there for you to see now, the council had the future of the club in their hands, they could quite simply have agreed the cva and we would have been playing in the Ricoh.

wouldnt we?

guys smell the coffee, listen to Mark Robins he tried to help us by letting us all in on a little secret: the council are the problem. they declared war on sisu and in so many words said - oi - get out of town, the council have since done everything in their power to wreck the club.

the cva may not be agreed - but we will still be in the ricoh soon, the council will have to sell up when central government start asking how the council are make the morgue a profit running entity

 

[lifelongcityfan]

now tell me the council are not out to screw our club up! go on.

the fact is there for you to see now, the council had the future of the club in their hands, they could quite simply have agreed the cva and we would have been playing in the Ricoh.

you just continue to make it up


wouldnt we?

guys smell the coffee, listen to Mark Robins he tried to help us by letting us all in on a little secret: the council are the problem. they declared war on sisu and in so many words said - oi - get out of town, the council have since done everything in their power to wreck the club.

the cva may not be agreed - but we will still be in the ricoh soon, the council will have to sell up when central government start asking how the council are make the morgue a profit running entity

you just continue to make it up as you go along!!

 

[sky blue john]

If the CVA is signed or not Sisu city will be playing at suxfields !!!
ccfc ltd will still be liquidated if the CVA is signed so that Sisu can dump the lease agreement.
If we get a 15point deduction it doesn't matter we will be relegated this season anyway !!!

 

[Sub]

now tell me the council are not out to screw our club up! go on.

the fact is there for you to see now, the council had the future of the club in their hands, they could quite simply have agreed the cva and we would have been playing in the Ricoh.

wouldnt we?

guys smell the coffee, listen to Mark Robins he tried to help us by letting us all in on a little secret: the council are the problem. they declared war on sisu and in so many words said - oi - get out of town, the council have since done everything in their power to wreck the club.

the cva may not be agreed - but we will still be in the ricoh soon, the council will have to sell up when central government start asking how the council are make the morgue a profit running entity

completely deluded SISU are as much to blame if not more than the council for this whole mess, sisu cost cutting got us relegated and cost us millions , the councils fault for the over inflated rent. yet you still defend SISU to the hilt thanks for popping in again TIM!!

 

[sky blue john]

I am all for an investigation !!
Their is more chance of us playing at the ricoh if the CVA is not signed.

 

[Delboycov]

completely deluded SISU are as much to blame if not more than the council for this whole mess, sisu cost cutting got us relegated and cost us millions , the councils fault for the over inflated rent. yet you still defend SISU to the hilt thanks for popping in again TIM!!

I think TSB pretty much unmasked himself as a WUM from another club the other day by calling us 'SISU Blues'...That is a term that's been used several times on Facebook by 'outed' Fester fans having a laugh at our expense. That Paxman's views are almost exactly the same...right down to telling almost all others to 'wake up and smell the coffee' show just how out of touch he is with the views of most reasonable thinking fans....I'd be a bit worried if I was him!

 

[BrisbaneBronco]

I am all for an investigation !!
Their is more chance of us playing at the ricoh if the CVA is not signed.

Agree.

One thing for certain, is that signing the CVA will mean no return to the Ricoh.
Who knows what will happen if CVA not signed.

 

[BurbageSkyBlues]

We have to ask ourselves, what benefit is there for ACL, to not sign the CVA?

Forget the arguments about minus fifteen points to the club, or where we might play in the future. If it is ACL's main bargaining card, what would they stand to gain? On the face of it, they lose the (reduced) settlement of outstanding rent, so there must be a bigger potential gain.

It makes me wonder if there is something going on behind the scenes, with a formation of a new club or team to play at the Ricoh? If CCFC ltd is liquidated, and that is the entity that currently owns the golden share, then do we have a situation where the name and the share are up for grabs? Could this be the rebirth of the true CCFC?


Just a thought.

 

[true sky blue]

If the CVA is signed or not Sisu city will be playing at suxfields !!!
ccfc ltd will still be liquidated if the CVA is signed so that Sisu can dump the lease agreement.
If we get a 15point deduction it doesn't matter we will be relegated this season anyway !!!

commercial leases dont work like that, there is no 'dropping the lease' sisu walked away from the lease, that lease then became a matter for the court to decide when the council took legal action to ontain their moneys owed - those monies owed would also have included the rest of the monies left in the rest of the 25 year lease. It was at this point when the council ended their war of words and took legal action that the gloves were off. It was also at that point that a massively wealthy hedge fund (versed in all the tricks of the trade with debts and litigation) had no choice to take control of the situation. it was also the day Coventry City Council wasted thousands (and in the end 14 million) of pounds of tax payers monies by unlawfully propping up ACL became a major problem for the council. If you believe Ainsworth has no agenda against SISU think again, he is attacking sisu because of the judicial review, he attacked them and made allegations against our owners that he could not and the council could not and will not make in court of law. so he is using parliamentary privilege to to attempt to discourage the judges at the judicial review against the club owners claim.


by the way if a group of supporters got together and formed as a applicant - a judicial review could be a way for the fans to put an end to this misery. though to do so you will need to find unlawfullness in the clubs or the councils actions, leading the to the court to say their actions were judicially unlawful, in other words that a authority was wrongful in its decision. For example that the council are wrong not to allow sisu to buy the arena, meaning we must leave the stadium due to unbeleivable high rent. That the council are not and have no acted in the interest of the people it is supposed to be serving. misfeasance in public office and the like. im not saying that should be done its just an example.

the cva not being agreed has no bearing at all on city playing in the arena. the secret talks (back on thursday) are regards the ownership of the arena. if the coucil sell to SISU of course we will be playing in the Ricoh - obviously. so why are our fans not camped outside the council houses in city centre protesting and demanding the council sell to the club, so we can play at home? any other club the fans would be tearing the council offices up, us ? no we want to tie blue ribbons everywhere, basically moving the morgue with in the ricoh arena to the streets of the city. stop moaning and crying and get to protest at the council. support the owners - start on the council and we play at home. simple really

 

[mattylad]

we just need someone to blame the Sky blue trust and the football league for the CVA not being signed and we will have a full house of hysterical posts about a subject for which we have no evidencal proof of what will be done or in what time frame.

 

[skybluesam66]

sisu/acl/higg/ council/appleton wankers the lot of them

all we want is our team back ,playing in coventry
Sick to the back teeth of all of this

yes of course sisu are to blame, but acl higgs and council had things there way long before sisu appeared

fuck off the lot of you
hand the ricoh over to the supporters and we will have our club back

 

[Ccfc1979]

we just need someone to blame the Sky blue trust and the football league for the CVA not being signed and we will have a full house of hysterical posts about a subject for which we have no evidencal proof of what will be done or in what time frame.

I'd like to blame Andy Thorn. Thanks.

 

[true sky blue]

completely deluded SISU are as much to blame if not more than the council for this whole mess, sisu cost cutting got us relegated and cost us millions , the councils fault for the over inflated rent. yet you still defend SISU to the hilt thanks for popping in again TIM!!

are you having a laugh - Sisu 'cost cutting' oh dear, what choice did they have ? they have been hemorrhaging money by the millions due to massive rent (the highest in championship and all leagues below the championship and even 1 or 2 in the premier. they spent on players with massive wages for league 1 and the championship who were complete let downs, then you have the so called fans of this club, the stay aways - they played their part in killing the club (if it does become killed off), add to that the complete lack of revenue due to the council not selling to the owners as agreed when the owners bought the club. how could any business survive those conditions without cut backs. for god sake some of our fans are simply deluded when it comes to the past and simply believe what the coventry telegraph and the scumbags at coventry council tell them - day in day out in their little PR and spin factory. yes Sisu dont come across as truthful and they are guarded with what they say - but put yourself in their position - the fans hate you, the council are out to screw you over, your losing money faster than Detroit and then the council try to place the club in administration.

i remember loads of fans on here automatically believing that as soon as the council started that action that would be it - sisu out you all said. well you were all wrong, sisu have battered the council in this war, and although you may not like to or want to hear it, it is all down to the council this problem. If they hadnt started the admin application we would not be where we are today. the question is now we are here who will do anything to change it. the council by not agreeing to the CVA are again diggin that hole just a little deeper for both the club and the fans. understand?

 

[sky blue john]

Tsb
The Reason why our true fans are not tearing down the counsels gates demanding the sale of the ricoh to Sisu !!!!
Well i believe our fans are educated enough to see Sisu for what they are !!!
If Sisu get their hands on the Ricoh they Will bleed the fans and club dry with more borrowing and fee charging that we will never compete and be sustainable !!!

 

[mattylad]

you can but only in a theatrical and hugely slanted way which has no actual tangible facts involved.

 

[true sky blue]

I think TSB pretty much unmasked himself as a WUM from another club the other day by calling us 'SISU Blues'...That is a term that's been used several times on Facebook by 'outed' Fester fans having a laugh at our expense. That Paxman's views are almost exactly the same...right down to telling almost all others to 'wake up and smell the coffee' show just how out of touch he is with the views of most reasonable thinking fans....I'd be a bit worried if I was him!

i am no wum, i simply support sisu and make no attempt to hide that fact. i am a sisu sky blue. not a coventry council sky blue. i did omit the word sky from sisu sky blue - a simple error. try not to look too much into things like that, your showing paranoya

 

[true sky blue]

We have to ask ourselves, what benefit is there for ACL, to not sign the CVA?

Forget the arguments about minus fifteen points to the club, or where we might play in the future. If it is ACL's main bargaining card, what would they stand to gain? On the face of it, they lose the (reduced) settlement of outstanding rent, so there must be a bigger potential gain.

It makes me wonder if there is something going on behind the scenes, with a formation of a new club or team to play at the Ricoh? If CCFC ltd is liquidated, and that is the entity that currently owns the golden share, then do we have a situation where the name and the share are up for grabs? Could this be the rebirth of the true CCFC?


Just a thought.

no, it doesnt because the true sky blues are the current players and the club that exists today. no matter where they play they are the true club and team, we should be supporting them, the problem is the spin by the council and the telegraph has fans in a headspin. if we all united against one side _ the council - they would buckle - but while some fans support them they will keep going. they feel they are justified.

 

[true sky blue]

I ask one question: does it matter which side gives up on this and folds? no. it only takes one side to give in, and we are back in the Ricoh. ask yourselves this: if the council really have the fans interests ONLY at heart why dont they just give in. sign the cva - accept a fair offer for the stadium (higgs will sell no problem) and we are back home. ask yourselves why please.

 

[BurbageSkyBlues]

You are so deluded TSB, that you have missed my point completely.

And there is no future for the sky blues, with Sisu in charge. They have ably demonstrated that, with their five year tenure.

 

[true sky blue]

You are so deluded TSB, that you have missed my point completely.

what point is that Burbageskyblues?

 

[Delboycov]

i am no wum, i simply support sisu and make no attempt to hide that fact. i am a sisu sky blue. not a coventry council sky blue. i did omit the word sky from sisu sky blue - a simple error. try not to look too much into things like that, your showing paranoya

You're a SISU Sky Blue??!! Think I've heard it all now....why wouldn't you just be a sky blues fan like the rest of us and paranoia is certainly not something I'm suffering from...I just have an innate ability to spot a WUM when I see one!