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italiahorse

italiahorse

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Godiva said:
Some of that can be profit from selling of land and leases.
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But you are assuming buying land at green belt prices and selling at development prices. It aint gonna happen.
In addition the assumption is that the stadium will attract business like the Ricoh, however demand will be minimal for a league 1 stadium out of town.
Its not going to happen..
 
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Tonylinc

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Since when did "economic sense", mean anything to Shitzu? We all know that if and when they build this imaginary stadium, Coventry City FC(or any other name) will not not own it. They will merely be tenants in the same way as they were at the Ricoh.
 
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Godiva

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italiahorse said:
But you are assuming buying land at green belt prices and selling at development prices. It aint gonna happen.
In addition the assumption is that the stadium will attract business like the Ricoh, however demand will be minimal for a league 1 stadium out of town.
Its not going to happen..
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Say just for the argument that Otium bought a large chunk of land and only used 1/3 for the actual stadium.
Would it be unthinkable that someone would buy a long lease from Otium to set up a business?
And would it be unthinkable they would pay a lot more than Otium paid for that piece of land?
 
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Tonylinc

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Godiva said:
Say just for the argument that Otium bought a large chunk of land and only used 1/3 for the actual stadium.
Would it be unthinkable that someone would buy a long lease from Otium to set up a business?
And would it be unthinkable they would pay a lot more than Otium paid for that piece of land?
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All that is totally dependant upon exactly where this imaginary piece of land is.
 
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Godiva

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Tonylinc said:
Since when did "economic sense", mean anything to Shitzu? We all know that if and when they build this imaginary stadium, Coventry City FC(or any other name) will not not own it. They will merely be tenants in the same way as they were at the Ricoh.
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I think about 10 different posters have said the only sensible solution would be to have stadium and club under the same umbrella - in the same group. You might even have noticed that Les Reid said it in his response to skyblusquirrels blog change.
So if Otium is 'the club' and Holdings own the stadium (to minimize risk) then the club and stadium will be in the same group - owned by the same owners. It will NOT be the same as being tenants at the Ricoh!
 
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Godiva

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Tonylinc said:
All that is totally dependant upon exactly where this imaginary piece of land is.
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Of course. And also the plans for the other businesses. It's a synergy where each add much more value to the complex than they would hold on their own.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Rich said:
I'm sorry but Queen changed the course of Music with one Song. They then went on to produce albums of the stuff that did influence many bands that are in existance today.
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just needed to wade in on this debate as both a queen fan and a joy division fan.

queen is one of them bands where every member was truly talented and if all members had never met and started 4 separate bands each band would have been huge in their own right, you can say the same about joy division. the lead singer of queen died tragically young when he still had a lot left to give, you can say the same about joy division. joy division may not have been as commercially successful as queen but they were a huge influence on a large number of extremely commercially successful bands and their DNA runs in a number of hugely commercially successful bands, U2 for 1 and there haven't been many bigger than them in terms of sales and stadium sell outs.

back on topic, sisu out.
 
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RPHunt

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Tonylinc said:
All that is totally dependant upon exactly where this imaginary piece of land is.
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An imaginary piece of land that has remained invisible to the many property developers who specialise in identifying such opportunities - sound like a place in a children's story.
 
Skybluepiglet

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I mention Queen and the whole thread erupts whilst I'm at work.

By the way..I know the song "Is called I want it all"..I was being ironic by quoting "days of our lives".

Queen ..fantastic band..sheer heart attack is a masterpiece...to say they just a singles band is just plain wrong.

Now I have to confess I like Marillion aswell :slap:
If you've never heard Clutching @ Straws..you really should

My current fave are Dream Theater ..if you think Queen was pompous...check Dream Theater Out..as musicians they could be likened to footballers.... they have Messi, Peli , Van Persie and Carl Baker in their ranks for sure.

How come the mighty Zeppelin didn't get a mention :thinking about:

Joy Division not for me ..but Siouxsie and the Banshees, Buzzcocks,Penetration , X Ray Spex all mighty fine.

Oh Yeah SISU OUT
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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Please no not like the Keepmoat what a horrible ground hated it when I went there got to be the worst new ground bar none.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Skybluepiglet said:
My fave Caravan track is "The Dog, Hes at it again.

Is the Megolomaniacs reference a Black Sabbath one ?
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Sabotage - now there's a rock album.
 
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Gary.j

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Oh yes, Petrucci can play. The punk thing wiped all those 70's stadium rockers/prog rockers of the map afaiac, but I do like later proggy bands such as It Bites and (it Bites/Marillion side project) Kino. And Dio-era Sabbath, I think Die Young was their finest moment!
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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OK then I'll wade in...

Joy Division I used to promote in my DJ'ing days and it all began on Student Nights in Loughborough. talented and surrounded in stories. Now Queen on the other hand were a world wide phenomenon and while they had lots of commercial success they owed it to Freddie without doubt one of the most gifted talents. Did I like either of these bands? Actually not particularly, just liked some of their stuff. Like Queen or not they were outstanding.
A band I liked back before Queen really was 10cc Another talented lot who went on having more success in other guises (Godley and Cream etc)
 
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Monners

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Skybluepiglet said:
I mention Queen and the whole thread erupts whilst I'm at work.

By the way..I know the song "Is called I want it all"..I was being ironic by quoting "days of our lives".

Queen ..fantastic band..sheer heart attack is a masterpiece...to say they just a singles band is just plain wrong.

Now I have to confess I like Marillion aswell :slap:
If you've never heard Clutching @ Straws..you really should

My current fave are Dream Theater ..if you think Queen was pompous...check Dream Theater Out..as musicians they could be likened to footballers.... they have Messi, Peli , Van Persie and Carl Baker in their ranks for sure.

How come the mighty Zeppelin didn't get a mention :thinking about:

Joy Division not for me ..but Siouxsie and the Banshees, Buzzcocks,Penetration , X Ray Spex all mighty fine.

Oh Yeah SISU OUT
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Forgot about Xray Spex. Talking of Buzzcocks, always been big fan of Magazine - very influential for the post punk era. Always played on Gideon Coe's show on 6music. Psychodelic FUrs were on his show in concert from 1985 - fantastic (saw them at Hammersmith Odeon in 87 - same day as we beat Stoke in the 5th round of the cup)

Ooh -Sisu out bhy the way!
 
James Smith

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KG7 said:
There's 1 Queen song that I like and that's Too Much Love Will Kill You. It's the only one of their songs that has an emotional truth to it, although even that cranks up a bit on the chorus. They went for showmanship and commercialism over expression and artistic merit. On the contrary, emotional truth and expression seep out of every Joy Division song. Sometimes they're too much for me but I would always choose them over Queen, and would never ever put a Queen track on out of choice - they make my stomach turn.

Whilst the fact about each member of the band having four number one hits is impressive (in a sense), to me it says more about them understanding the mechanics of what makes a song a commercial success rather than what makes a song good.
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Too Much Love was a composition by Brian and two others (non Queen) which wasn't written about Freddie despite the apparent links and was intended for the Miracle album. There can't be much doubt that the success of Queen was down in no small part to Freddie being the showman that he was. I was first introduced to them watching Live Aid (on a telly that now seems like the size of a postage stamp) and I was mesmerised they were so smooth polished and had the attention of the entire crowd. Of course I didn't know at the time they were the only ones* who had bothered to rehearse beforehand, so of course it was going to look better than those who hadn't.

For me Innuendo, the Miracle and Princes of the Universe are three of my favourite tracks followed by Seven Seas of Rye and the Highlander version of A Kind of Magic. Barcelona is the best non Queen piece Freddie did and I have both the original album and the orchestral one that Jim Beach organised that was just released.
 
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James Smith

James Smith

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Godiva said:
Say just for the argument that Otium bought a large chunk of land and only used 1/3 for the actual stadium.
Would it be unthinkable that someone would buy a long lease from Otium to set up a business?
And would it be unthinkable they would pay a lot more than Otium paid for that piece of land?
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No it wouldn't to all of that, it's how the Ricoh was part funded after all.
 
skybluelee

skybluelee

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James Smith said:
Too Much Love was a composition by Brian and two others (non Queen) which wasn't written about Freddie despite the apparent links and was intended for the Miracle album. There can't be much doubt that the success of Queen was down in no small part to Freddie being the showman that he was. I was first introduced to them watching Live Aid (on a telly that now seems like the size of a postage stamp) and I was mesmerised they were so smooth polished and had the attention of the entire crowd. Of course I didn't know at the time they were the only ones* who had bothered to rehearse beforehand, so of course it was going to look better than those who hadn't.

For me Innuendo, the Miracle and Princes of the Universe are three of my favourite tracks followed by Seven Seas of Rye and the Highlander version of A Kind of Magic. Barcelona is the best non Queen piece Freddie did and I have both the original album and the orchestral one that Jim Beach organised that was just released.
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Innuendo will always remain my favourite Queen track. Despite getting to number 1 I still feel it is underrated. Remember hearing it for the first time, aged 14, and being utterly spellbound by it.
 
davebart

davebart

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Does this thread demonstrate that Coventrians are naturally schizophrenic? Two entirely different topics merging into one.
 
hill83

hill83

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davebart said:
Does this thread demonstrate that Coventrians are naturally schizophrenic? Two entirely different topics merging into one.
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I used to love Topics

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Tonylinc

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skybluelee said:
Innuendo will always remain my favourite Queen track. Despite getting to number 1 I still feel it is underrated. Remember hearing it for the first time, aged 14, and being utterly spellbound by it.
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Come on "The show must go on", is surely the best track on that album.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Tonylinc said:
Come on "The show must go on", is surely the best track on that album.
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The best track has to be the shortest surely? Dreadful pseudo rock at its worst.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Tonylinc said:
A very good evening to you Grendel. Spoiling for a fight? Sorry, not able to engage this evening.
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I never understood the appeal. "Rockfolk" always laughed at them. The real diehard fans always struck me as a bit wierd as well - cultish - similar to fans of Barry Manillow or Cliff.
 
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Tonylinc

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Not biting mate. All I will say is that they had a great drummer, possibly the best guitarist of his generation and the best front man of all time. Anyone laughing at them must have been idiots.
 
Sky Blue Harry H

Sky Blue Harry H

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Tonylinc said:
Not biting mate. All I will say is that they had a great drummer, possibly the best guitarist of his generation and the best front man of all time. Anyone laughing at them must have been idiots.
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Tony............very nearly biting mate. Careful, or Grendel will reel you in................!!!;)
 
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