sky blue zam
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Exactly, and from where I was yesterday it's a bit like villa park. Claret seats with the odd sprinkling of sky blue.
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Exactly, and from where I was yesterday it's a bit like villa park. Claret seats with the odd sprinkling of sky blue.
standupforcity
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So why wasn't that arrangeed for yesterday...what part did you play in that idea? Its a good one!
sky blue zam
Member
I put in many posts it was my preferred protest but I don't have the power or knowledge to organise something like that, whereas other people on here do. The mass exodus was not loved by enough so I chose the hill option instead. As I have said before, disappointed with the weather and numbers up there but not the atmosphere.
MichaelCCFC
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I wish I had the level of influence you ascribe to me! There seem to be a number of threads covering similar ground so I've just posted this on another one:
Not sure I agree with the way you express things [jhb] but the sentiment on a few threads from last night/today that there is a need for one fans' voice and one plan I agree with fully, and would agree that yesterday was a good example of why it's needed. I don't see how separation of the Trust and kcic is helping - some people on the hill, some at The Old Shepherd, the Trust promoting Riley's - is that really the best way forward? The next planned kcic initiative is the campaign for an Independent Inquiry. It's been desperately slow getting it to launch stage because kcic has no money, no formal team or organisational structure, it just relies on a network of individuals doing what they can to help. Not ideal!
standupforcity
Well-Known Member
Stick to the tread!
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Can't have leadership without a clear vision for what we want. Answer that question and the rest falls into place.
If it's "Cov in Cov" then we're fucked because as we well know there are a multitude of angles and sides, etc. If it's "talk to each other", we need more specific targets, who do we want to talk? by when? about what? where? and more to the bloody point who are we to ask and why should we be listened to?
If it's the club back at any cost then should efforts be turned on the Council as more likely to cave in? Would people be happy with Sisu owning the Ricoh? Even then, what do we want? The Ricoh for free? For £5m? £10m?
Do we want plans on a new stadium? By when? In what form?
The message is too overarching with no clear success criteria other than "Cov in Cov" and as I said that's a far too nuanced argument to get a majority to agree a course of action.
If it's "Cov in Cov" then we're fucked because as we well know there are a multitude of angles and sides, etc. If it's "talk to each other", we need more specific targets, who do we want to talk? by when? about what? where? and more to the bloody point who are we to ask and why should we be listened to?
If it's the club back at any cost then should efforts be turned on the Council as more likely to cave in? Would people be happy with Sisu owning the Ricoh? Even then, what do we want? The Ricoh for free? For £5m? £10m?
Do we want plans on a new stadium? By when? In what form?
The message is too overarching with no clear success criteria other than "Cov in Cov" and as I said that's a far too nuanced argument to get a majority to agree a course of action.
sky blue john
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The only thing that will make Sisu listen is the figures the bottom line. So by going into sixfields will not work. I also think that we should give up on the hill now that the televised game has now passed.
The target should be to sell out our away allocation at every away game to show Sisu that we have more fans going to away games than home !!!
Obviously mk dons away will be an individual decision.
The target should be to sell out our away allocation at every away game to show Sisu that we have more fans going to away games than home !!!
Obviously mk dons away will be an individual decision.
KG7
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I am aware that there is a bigger picture, but of course I can't see it. Who can? Very few people are in a position to understand exactly what has gone on let alone be in a position to affect the outcome.
You might not have massive influence but the telegraph certainly does. I'm not sure if your protest and e-mail came about because Les Reid was acting like a Dick to you on twitter and you unnecessarily tried to prove him wrong or if that was coincidental but he pounced on your e-mail to write an article with the headline being "Sky Blues fans' campaign group set to abandon ‘Jimmy’s Hill’ protests outside Sixfields" "Co-ordinator for the Keep Cov In Cov/Not One Penny More campaign to scrap protest for next ‘home’ game against Sheffield United" how can that long with your competing protest not have harmed unity, harmed the hill protest and divided fans further.
standupforcity
Well-Known Member
Nobel prize winner for literature Elias Canetti wrote a book called 'The Power Of Crowds'...in it he expresses how powerful a group of people can be even if the individulas involved are weak...and obviously the bigger the crowd the more powerful the effect and outcome! So you can have a direct influence on the outcome!!
MichaelCCFC
New Member
Definitely more than one thread covering similar ground and have posted this -
'I don't know if honesty is the best policy but here goes - I disagreed with the Trust separating off kcic and continue to believe the Trust should take over kcic. If the Trust would say yes I'd handover kcic immediately'
It's a great pity that so many put in so much effort to achieve what?
What's needed by all the so called 'protesters' is a complete re-think.
I'm fortunate that I'm able and can afford to attend Sixfields, yes it's a pain in terms of time and cost but I just want to support Steven Pressley and his exciting squad. Having said that I completely understand that many are for whatever reasons unable to get to Northampton but if you can, I'd urge you to attend as I'm enjoying my football and the style more than for the past 15 to 20 years!
Time to forget all the stupid politics and remember why we attended our first and then subsequent games whether that was at Highfield Road or The Ricoh!
I am not interested in ACL, CCC or SISU or what they have to say, do or don't do, just my team.
PUSB
What's needed by all the so called 'protesters' is a complete re-think.
I'm fortunate that I'm able and can afford to attend Sixfields, yes it's a pain in terms of time and cost but I just want to support Steven Pressley and his exciting squad. Having said that I completely understand that many are for whatever reasons unable to get to Northampton but if you can, I'd urge you to attend as I'm enjoying my football and the style more than for the past 15 to 20 years!
Time to forget all the stupid politics and remember why we attended our first and then subsequent games whether that was at Highfield Road or The Ricoh!
I am not interested in ACL, CCC or SISU or what they have to say, do or don't do, just my team.
PUSB
lewys33
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The thing that gets me is why is it the fans that have to argue, and discuss new ways of protesting, yet the club do not do anything to offer alternatives or reason with people who protest?
For example, I think Tim Fisher should walk up to the hill, during the game, and ask everyone on the hill to come down and come in to the ground for free - to support the team. Obvioulsy he cannot do this every game, but for 1 game it would be a bold move, and 1 which I would respect.
What about offering free travel from the city centre, to sixfields, and with each paying adult a child can go for free.
In my view the club are not doing enough to stop the protests, and to actually get fans to go to sixfields. Another failure on their part.
For example, I think Tim Fisher should walk up to the hill, during the game, and ask everyone on the hill to come down and come in to the ground for free - to support the team. Obvioulsy he cannot do this every game, but for 1 game it would be a bold move, and 1 which I would respect.
What about offering free travel from the city centre, to sixfields, and with each paying adult a child can go for free.
In my view the club are not doing enough to stop the protests, and to actually get fans to go to sixfields. Another failure on their part.
KG7
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I haven't read it but what sort of sizes is he talking about?
I just don't think our protesting is affecting anyone. And the message is too obscure. What are we protesting about? Nobody really knows who the villains are or what the best way is out of this mess. I would be much more willing to protest if I was convinced about who was in the wrong. Instead the three main parties are able to shift the blame onto each other and dilute anything we prepare.
bigfatronssba
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Are we really now at the level where we consider 7k "big support"?
sky blue john
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bigfatronssba
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Cheshire Sky Blue
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I can afford to go to Sixfields. I just will not. I will enjoy my football at as many away games as I can.
I agree that a rethink is required. Those that attend Sixfields should consider how the actions of so few (Just how many CCFC fans were there yesterday!) will prolong the agony of many.
Only the very naïve can ignore the role that ACL, CCC SISU et al play in this farce, and it is only through the collective actions of those prepared to stand and be counted will a resolution be found that will work to benefit the many not the few.
There will of course be those that choose to compete in seeing just how deeply they can bury their heads in the sand, whilst the club and the majority of its supporters suffer.
This is more than just 'My team' Its my Club, my City.
standupforcity
Well-Known Member
I agree completely...hence my Elias Canetti quote...as individuals we are weak but as a united front we can be strong!
Sky Blue Spud
Member
Tarquin, I agree with what you are saying but unfortunately attitudes are too far entrenched. They are all culpable in my opinion.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Agree 100% with this post. As a season ticket holder for virtually 20 years who normally gets at least two phone calls about renewal, I've had nothing this year. The effort made by the club is shocking.
@Torchy (can't find the actual comment): It's CCC not ACL who need to talk, Sisu only want the freehold, not a rental agreement so no point talking to ACL.
standupforcity
Well-Known Member
Yes and I haven't had a single email or phoncall this season....they haven't a clue and don't give a toss.
Nick
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standupforcity
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Have you ever registered your email with them? I have been hammered with them
Yes they have all my contact details. In reality I'm glad I've not heard from them...might end up saying stuff I'd regret!!
oscillatewildly
Well-Known Member
But your sense of 'passion or fight' consists of giving the people who are holding the very existence of our club to ransom, money! Unbelievable!!!! Remember - these people are 'money people'. NOPM is by far the most positive and hopefully effective protest we can mount.
standupforcity
Well-Known Member
Admired but with laughable results....keep thinking!!!
sky blue john
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What is laughable is your coment !!!
Do you genuinely believe that Sisu would be making the same current Ricoh overtures if 90% of cov fans hadn't made a stance not to go to Sixfields ?????????
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Also laughable is your view on protesting. You're rigut about SISU of course but that's the whole idea of protest, isn't it? Would the Tories have backed down over the Poll Tax without protest?
All this is a sign that boycotting is working. I thought you would be pleased.
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Hobo
Well-Known Member
I think the protest is working fine, empty seats people outside the ground, more fans following the club at away matches...how clear does the message need to be....the media get it...just certain fans on here don't! The ones that try to scupper any anti SISU stance and claim the fan base is split when they are in the minority.
The vast majority of the fan base are very much together.
The vast majority of the fan base are very much together.
bezzer
Well-Known Member
Correct, sat on their arses at home on a Saturday/Sunday afternoon.
lewys33
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Broken Britain
DazzleTommyDazzle
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skybluetony176
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how elese are you going to protest with your feet and commit to NOPM? besides i've been decorating and listening on the radio when ican, not sitting on my arse.
standupforcity
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If anyone is in any doubt about the 'power of crowds', mass protest etc, check out this link...
https://www.google.co.uk/#psj=1&q=elias+canetti+crowds+and+power
https://www.google.co.uk/#psj=1&q=elias+canetti+crowds+and+power