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[bigfatronssba]

sadly you're not the first poster to say they'd rather see liquidation before sisu get the arena, tbh if they got it for free I couldn't care less as long as Coventry are playing back at home. Blinded by sisu hate, you aren't the first and won't be the last.

Why do you care if Sisu own the Freehold?

Its not going to make any difference to the club long term.

 

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[covmark]

Why do you care if Sisu own the Freehold?

Its not going to make any difference to the club long term.

all I care about is having the team in Coventry, don't care about the why's and how's. Freehold, lease, rent, couldn't give a toss. I'm afraid my morals come 2nd to having city back home. If this makes me some kind of heathen, so be it.

 

[torchomatic]

Why do you care if Sisu own the Freehold?

Its not going to make any difference to the club long term.

Wouldn't that make the club more attractive to future purchasers?

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[covcity4life]

haha shmee you scored a few own goals in this thread. not a cov fan at all are you?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Wouldn't that make the club more attractive to future purchasers?

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Why? The freehold would be in a separate company.

 

[Nick]

I hold no allegiance to Otium, Fisher or Seppala. I strongly believe that should she liquidate then the FL will be forced to let a phoenix club in with minimal penalty as it was their doing. If not I'm happy to start in the lower leagues.

So what is your allegiance to the council / ACL?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Or they could continue with the raised Middle finger approach and sell some players in January and make money that way!!

All joking aside, that's a real possibility and something which WOULD be the final straw!

 

[friendly_canary]

As a sort of neutral I went to the match v Sheff United last sunday....


I risk being slated here but I actually sort of enjoyed it. But then a)I'm not a Coventry fan and b) I just enjoyed watching the football.

I am tempted to go to Walsall away mind you..

 

[Monners]

As a sort of neutral I went to the match v Sheff United last sunday....


I risk being slated here but I actually sort of enjoyed it. But then a)I'm not a Coventry fan and b) I just enjoyed watching the football.

I am tempted to go to Walsall away mind you..

If you are based in Cov, then why did you go all the way to Northampton to watch a game? Why not go and watch the local team like a lot of students do? Oh yeah - forgot! (time to go home I think!)

 

[simple_simon]

If they get the Ricoh through these means, they are no longer my club. I disagree on a fundamental moral and philosophical level with their tactics and I don't want to see them prevail. Like I say, each to their own.

OF course, to take your argument that the legal construct that represents CCFC is "the club" then the club disappeared in the summer when Otium picked the bones. I don't think the FL would let us disappear, and the fact that you do is what Seppala is counting on.

I agree with You shimmere.

 

[stupot07]

I hold no allegiance to Otium, Fisher or Seppala. I strongly believe that should she liquidate then the FL will be forced to let a phoenix club in with minimal penalty as it was their doing. If not I'm happy to start in the lower leagues.

The FL won't have a say in it, they only have jurisdiction over the Championship, league one and league two.


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[bigfatronssba]

The FL won't have a say in it, they only have jurisdiction over the Championship, league one and league two.


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I think he means if Sisu liquidate then a Phoenix CCFC should be allowed straight back into the league as the FL would have contributed to the situation.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think he means if Sisu liquidate then a Phoenix CCFC should be allowed straight back into the league as the FL would have contributed to the situation.

given the only reason a club bearing the name CCFC is in the league, is because the league have already bent over backwards to have that happen, it won't happen again.

Aldershot and Maidstone didn't even get the chances we did.

 

[Astute]

given the only reason a club bearing the name CCFC is in the league, is because the league have already bent over backwards to have that happen, it won't happen again.

Don't you mean allegedly?

They also said we had nowhere else to play but Northampton. We also know this is false.

 

[bigfatronssba]

given the only reason a club bearing the name CCFC is in the league, is because the league have already bent over backwards to have that happen, it won't happen again.

Aldershot and Maidstone didn't even get the chances we did.

So they hand the golden share over to a company which then liquidates the club a few months later and they deny any responsibility you mean?

Actually your right, I can see the league acting like that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They also said we had nowhere else to play but Northampton. We also know this is false.

Well... we don't.

But let's not rake over that again?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So they hand the golden share over to a company which then liquidates the club a few months later and they deny any responsibility you mean?

If it's a choice between the club dead now, or the club maybe dead a bit later on, I'm sure they'd take the later on option.

 

[Grendel]

Don't you mean allegedly?

They also said we had nowhere else to play but Northampton. We also know this is false.

They didn't have anywhere else to play. Having gone into administration and subsequently liquidation the club was homeless. It isn't the leagues job to determine who should agree what regarding rental arrangements and neither should it be.

 

[bigfatronssba]

They didn't have anywhere else to play. Having gone into administration and subsequently liquidation the club was homeless. It isn't the leagues job to determine who should agree what regarding rental arrangements and neither should it be.

There was still a rental agreement in place.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

They didn't have anywhere else to play. Having gone into administration and subsequently liquidation the club was homeless. It isn't the leagues job to determine who should agree what regarding rental arrangements and neither should it be.

Constructive vagrants....?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

As the Shrewsbury fans sang were just a load of Gypos

Did make me laugh tho:laugh:

Constructive vagrants....?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Could move up to 12th, if everything goes our way.

 

[shmmeee]

They didn't have anywhere else to play. Having gone into administration and subsequently liquidation the club was homeless. It isn't the leagues job to determine who should agree what regarding rental arrangements and neither should it be.

Well technically no (also technically the club was never in admin and CCFC Ltd wasn't liquidated at that point).

But your answer begs the question: should the league have any power at all over moving a club? I thought after MK Dons the answer was yes, but if you make the argument that the league can't ever tell a club where they have to play, then what is to stop that situation happening again?

(note, I am not comparing our situation and theirs, just asking where the league's powers should extend to in your opinion)

 

[bigfatronssba]

Well technically no (also technically the club was never in admin and CCFC Ltd wasn't liquidated at that point).

But your answer begs the question: should the league have any power at all over moving a club? I thought after MK Dons the answer was yes, but if you make the argument that the league can't ever tell a club where they have to play, then what is to stop that situation happening again?

(note, I am not comparing our situation and theirs, just asking where the league's powers should extend to in your opinion)

You also have to ask if the league cant stop something like that, what exactly is its purpose?

 

[shmmeee]

You also have to ask if the league cant stop something like that, what exactly is its purpose?

To paraphrase Jasper Rees "What is the point of the Football League?"

 

[skybluefred]

Well... we don't.

Of course we did, we had (have)the Ricoh.

 

[stupot07]

Well technically no (also technically the club was never in admin and CCFC Ltd wasn't liquidated at that point).

But your answer begs the question: should the league have any power at all over moving a club? I thought after MK Dons the answer was yes, but if you make the argument that the league can't ever tell a club where they have to play, then what is to stop that situation happening again?

(note, I am not comparing our situation and theirs, just asking where the league's powers should extend to in your opinion)

I can't see the FL or FA sanctioning another permanent relocation and refranchising, so can't see another MK Dons scenario happening again.


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[Deleted member 5849]

I can't see the FL or FA sanctioning another permanent relocation and refranchising, so can't see another MK Dons scenario happening again.

I would generally agree with you although here's a nagging point...

What happens if no deal can be agreed for the Ricoh, and nobody gives planning permission for another stadium?

Isn't this another reason why it's imperative to pressure all sides to make *something* happen to get the club back in the right place? If we say 'alright then, go' we condone the possibility of MK Dons?

 

[No future with SISU]

They didn't have anywhere else to play. Having gone into administration and subsequently liquidation the club was homeless. It isn't the leagues job to determine who should agree what regarding rental arrangements and neither should it be.

CCFC was being run by CCFC LTD and CCFC HOLDINGS, as only one went into liquidation the club itself did not.

 

[No future with SISU]

So what is your allegiance to the council / ACL?

I am a coventry council taxpayer and vote in my council to run the city of coventry in my best interests.That is my allegiance to the council and ACL. What are your allegiances to the council

 

[shmmeee]

I can't see the FL or FA sanctioning another permanent relocation and refranchising, so can't see another MK Dons scenario happening again.


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Let's play hypotheticals for a second.

If a situation arose whereby a club could neither gain planning permission for a ground in the conurbation nor agree a rental deal for the stadium that's there, what would the FL do? They can't over turn planning law and apparently they can't force the club to accept the rental deal...

Edit: beaten like Ben Turner in the 100m

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Let's play hypotheticals for a second.

If a situation arose whereby a club could neither gain planning permission for a ground in the conurbation nor agree a rental deal for the stadium that's there, what would the FL do? They can't over turn planning law and apparently they can't force the club to accept the rental deal...

Edit: beaten like Ben Turner in the 100m

it's worth pointing out as it stands, it's very unlikely.

It is however the best reason not to close off the idea of a new ground altogether!

I don't believe they'll build one, but I'm certainly not welded to the Ricoh at all costs. Time moves on, and all that.

 

[shmmeee]

it's worth pointing out as it stands, it's very unlikely.

It is however the best reason not to close off the idea of a new ground altogether!

I don't believe they'll build one, but I'm certainly not welded to the Ricoh at all costs. Time moves on, and all that.

Same here, but there is a real possibility that they won't be able to get planning permission. I wonder if the latest change in tack isn't because they're having trouble sorting out a new ground.

The question arises though, when do the FL step in? If they never do, how can they actually prevent another MK Dons by the back door?

Edit: forgot I was talking hypotheticals, regardless of our situation, surely this is a pressing issue for football governance as a whole?

 

[stupot07]

Let's play hypotheticals for a second.

If a situation arose whereby a club could neither gain planning permission for a ground in the conurbation nor agree a rental deal for the stadium that's there, what would the FL do? They can't over turn planning law and apparently they can't force the club to accept the rental deal...

Edit: beaten like Ben Turner in the 100m

They would just lengthen the temporary move, while the club explored every legal avenue, or threaten the club with the withdrawal of the GS. I honestly can't see another MK dons scenario, they certainly couldn't permanent move to Northampton.


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[Deleted member 5849]

surely this is a pressing issue for football governance as a whole?

It is, but it's not as easy to solve as it seems, is it?

Even if in our specific instance you back ACL/CCC's stance 100%, to force a club to rent the one ground in existence at whatever cost because it's in the place that bears its name is blocking people into a corner, isn't it?

How can you tell some club's benefactor that OK, the ground owner's charging you £7mil pa rent, but you must stay there at all costs?