letsallsingtogether
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Hobo
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Agreed but only if they permanently move from Coventry or the club ceases to exist otherwise it's just a temporary breakaway.
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Oh definitely, SISU have to really take us away before I give up hope.
Coventry United play at the Higgs Allard Way re last post.
MichaelCCFC
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I always admire people who get on and do things rather than just talk about it (!) and met a couple of the CU guys who seemed like decent blokes, but imho they set up too early, didn't consult people just announced it and the name 'united' was a bad choice. Some purists have also questioned the fact that this wasn't a new start but they actually took over an existing team (Kenilworth Spartans? - I might have got that wrong - and renamed it). I think they started at copsewood then moved to the higgs centre. Got Lloyd McGrath involved which was a good move but are now 11th out of 16 in Midland Combination League 2 so presumably finding things tough - although doing well in a couple of cup competitions. They don't charge for watching games and all costs have been met by the 4 blokes who set it up. Their plan was to run it for a year then hand over to supporters by selling shares but I don't know if that's still the case. I'd say it serves as an example that setting up a new team or even taking over an existing one ain't easy. Also, I think they have already registered the name 'afc coventry'.
Big question for me is still whether people are seriously suggesting a rival team or is a phoenix club only for if ccfc is liquidated - and don't know if steve/cj/a.n.other from the trust could confirm whether the trust would only set up a new team if ccfc is liquidated or if they would set up a rival club for 2014/15. If the trust is going to set up a new club for 2014/15 it is best left to them because they will get full support from Supporters Direct. If the trust would only do so if ccfc is liquidated it would be good to know because others then need to volunteer to do some of the leg work on this
shmmeee
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Let's wait and see what happens this season. If any announcement is made by the club saying their final plans are to locate the club outside the City then we need to be into action immediately. Makes sense to me to coopt Cov Utd if possible as an existing setup so minimum buildup required.
Christmas/Jan at latest to begin organising a phoenix club.
As some sensible poster said earlier - it is a contingency plan.
None of us wants our club to cease to exist. But Sisu seem hell bent on taking us out of Coventry - permanently. Elmdon, Gaydon, Meriden, Rugby, not good enough Sisu. Got to be in Coventry.
Just the thought of a newly formed team through us fans, bearing the Coventry name. 1883 seems to be popular - will put a spanner in Sisu's works.
Sure we won't be playing Man United anytime soon, but neither are we now. FFP will kick in, it will, and the budget will drop dramatically.
If the situation is partially resolved and we finally come back to the Ricoh, the fans team can be brought back under the umbrella.
As the saying goes, we can't lose either way.
Many fans are worn down by this never ending nonsense. Do you want future seasons of it?
As some sensible poster said earlier - it is a contingency plan.
None of us wants our club to cease to exist. But Sisu seem hell bent on taking us out of Coventry - permanently. Elmdon, Gaydon, Meriden, Rugby, not good enough Sisu. Got to be in Coventry.
Just the thought of a newly formed team through us fans, bearing the Coventry name. 1883 seems to be popular - will put a spanner in Sisu's works.
Sure we won't be playing Man United anytime soon, but neither are we now. FFP will kick in, it will, and the budget will drop dramatically.
If the situation is partially resolved and we finally come back to the Ricoh, the fans team can be brought back under the umbrella.
As the saying goes, we can't lose either way.
Many fans are worn down by this never ending nonsense. Do you want future seasons of it?
Manchester_sky_blue
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I think CU took over the license from Coventry Spires. I don't mind them playing in red but the name United was a mistake and I agree they went too soon.
If City relocate permanently outside the City then thats its for me and I would welcome a new Coventry based team. I like 1883 as a name too.
Hobo
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Michael suggests Coventry United might be finding it tough as they are 11th in the league. If you read the table fully they have played half the games of other teams. Games in hand would put them top. Now they are unlikely to win them all....but probably a better side than league position suggests.
MichaelCCFC
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Lol! We must have a pint some time cos haven't seen you literally for years - although do bump into your other half at her place of work now and again. I'm not sure I'm understanding this thread right but there does seem to be a view that setting up a new club as a tactic to put pressure on different parties to reach agreement might have some mileage in it, and would be there as a fallback option for 2014/15 if we're not back at the ricoh. I quite like the idea of 'Coventry City Fans' Club' - ccfc has a bit of a ring to it...
Hobo
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Yes it would be good to catch up, haven't seen Ian either for ages...think he has my old phone number.
If SISU see the future away from Coventry, I won't quibble over a couple of mile, then for me it would be start a new club...Coventry Phoenix? The city is already linked to the Phoenix and would sum up our position.
Beer is definitely the answer. Hope you are on the mend.
Snozz_is_god
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Nope, they share the Ricoh and play alternate Saturdays, anyway CCFC aren't coming back in the short term. There is a need for a local football club to get behind.
I can't see any harm in setting up a new club.
magic82ball
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I would suggest yes with whatever money it cost to form and subsequently force SISU's hand being written off as money well spent!!
Besides, do you really believe their coming back?
stupot07
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How will that work? Ccfc paying rent and £10k match day fees and the new club getting it for free? Won't 2x teams playing at the Ricoh be in direct competition for fans? We haven't got a big enough fan base to be a 2 team city, you'll end up with 2 poorly supported clubs who's glass ceiling is league two.
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A phoenix club, formed by fans, run by fans, can play at various sites in the City. Sphinx, Butts, Allard Way, even the Ricoh. The Council might go for the idea. The smaller grounds could be upgraded, there is scope to build up facilities. I'm sure sponsors could be found locally and with a healthy fan base things could be positive for once.
As I and others have repeatedly said, IF the stalemate is resolved and CCFC did come back to Coventry the newly formed club could very easily be incorporated. It isn't an issue.
This stupid JR decision pretty well sentences our club to at least another season at Sixfields, it will run and run. There are NO talks.
US fans have to be a bit more proactive. No use constantly setting up imaginary obstacles - as a few do on here. A phoenix CCFC can be organised. It will be OUR CCFC. As someone else pointed out, on another thread - for them there is CCFC and a football club and then there is SISU. He loves his club and hates SISU. Sees them as two entirely different entities.
JUST the thought of US FANS actually doing something will focus attention.
There won't be a two team scenario. The phoenix club, playing in Coventry, ultimately at the Ricoh, if not from the start, will get the support. The other SISU abomination playing in Elmdon, or Balsall Heath or Harbury etc, will wither and die.
Today's reversal has surely got to be the turning point. Enough is enough.
You've got people with years of supporting their club heartily sick of it. Turning away in despair. That's not right.
I'm calling on those that attend Sixfields to think again. Join the vast majority in staying away. You 1,000/1500 are key. Stay away and the situation will change. We're talking the future of our club.
Do you want seasons of decline in Northampton? Ambitious players won't want to play in front of tiny crowds in deserted stadiums. The likes of Wilson, Thomas, Fleck, Moussa, & co, will move on. We're in a spiral of decline. Pressley is working miracles.
Time to act. I don't want to hear feeble, we can't do this or that, what if etc. Time to act.
The Trust, show a lead. Don't sit on the fence. Sisu are nobody's friends.
As I and others have repeatedly said, IF the stalemate is resolved and CCFC did come back to Coventry the newly formed club could very easily be incorporated. It isn't an issue.
This stupid JR decision pretty well sentences our club to at least another season at Sixfields, it will run and run. There are NO talks.
US fans have to be a bit more proactive. No use constantly setting up imaginary obstacles - as a few do on here. A phoenix CCFC can be organised. It will be OUR CCFC. As someone else pointed out, on another thread - for them there is CCFC and a football club and then there is SISU. He loves his club and hates SISU. Sees them as two entirely different entities.
JUST the thought of US FANS actually doing something will focus attention.
There won't be a two team scenario. The phoenix club, playing in Coventry, ultimately at the Ricoh, if not from the start, will get the support. The other SISU abomination playing in Elmdon, or Balsall Heath or Harbury etc, will wither and die.
Today's reversal has surely got to be the turning point. Enough is enough.
You've got people with years of supporting their club heartily sick of it. Turning away in despair. That's not right.
I'm calling on those that attend Sixfields to think again. Join the vast majority in staying away. You 1,000/1500 are key. Stay away and the situation will change. We're talking the future of our club.
Do you want seasons of decline in Northampton? Ambitious players won't want to play in front of tiny crowds in deserted stadiums. The likes of Wilson, Thomas, Fleck, Moussa, & co, will move on. We're in a spiral of decline. Pressley is working miracles.
Time to act. I don't want to hear feeble, we can't do this or that, what if etc. Time to act.
The Trust, show a lead. Don't sit on the fence. Sisu are nobody's friends.
@richh87
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I say we form a new club and 100% kick SISU in the nuts. Enough is enough.
I don't want them owning the Ricoh - it will not be the end of our problems, it will extend their evil ownership for possibly generations.
There will always be some bullshit 'hope' of them coming to an agreement to play at the Ricoh - they need that so that they don't lose the supporters.
We have to play at the Ricoh. I'm not interested in any new shitty 12,000 seater.
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I don't want them owning the Ricoh - it will not be the end of our problems, it will extend their evil ownership for possibly generations.
There will always be some bullshit 'hope' of them coming to an agreement to play at the Ricoh - they need that so that they don't lose the supporters.
We have to play at the Ricoh. I'm not interested in any new shitty 12,000 seater.
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Skyblueweeman
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I've not read 13 pages so apologies if my point has been said already.
But think about the actions of going down the 'new' club route. Forget about the off the pitch issues...nothing we can do will stop it. Sorry to be defeatist...many Cov fans have tried many things and it's not working. Boycotting hasn't concerned SISU at all...anyone who thinks it has is wrong. Yes, the attendances are a hell of a lot lower than they forecast but it won't make a difference to them and their aims.
Back on topic...Pressley has worked bloody wonders with this team. He's come into the most difficult job in football in my opinion, knowing the background, knowing the restrictions, knowing the divisions, knowing the in-fighting etc etc. He's taken on a group medicore footballers whose morale was probably shot to pieces and the man has worked wonders. Ok, so we're a little naive defensively and are going through a bit of a blip.
Talk of a new club us totally disrespectful to SP and the current squad. Regardless of what happens, they need our total support, not calls to form some form of Phoenix club.
Each to their own I say....I however won't support any other club until this one is officially dead and buried and that's not going to happen any time soon.
WM
But think about the actions of going down the 'new' club route. Forget about the off the pitch issues...nothing we can do will stop it. Sorry to be defeatist...many Cov fans have tried many things and it's not working. Boycotting hasn't concerned SISU at all...anyone who thinks it has is wrong. Yes, the attendances are a hell of a lot lower than they forecast but it won't make a difference to them and their aims.
Back on topic...Pressley has worked bloody wonders with this team. He's come into the most difficult job in football in my opinion, knowing the background, knowing the restrictions, knowing the divisions, knowing the in-fighting etc etc. He's taken on a group medicore footballers whose morale was probably shot to pieces and the man has worked wonders. Ok, so we're a little naive defensively and are going through a bit of a blip.
Talk of a new club us totally disrespectful to SP and the current squad. Regardless of what happens, they need our total support, not calls to form some form of Phoenix club.
Each to their own I say....I however won't support any other club until this one is officially dead and buried and that's not going to happen any time soon.
WM
shy_tall_knight
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I am all for the phoenix / breakaway, I don't support the club anymore as I only go to away games. Another season at Northants will be a further disaster, this could run for years. My suggestion is Coventry Sphinx be approached to become a fans owned club. With the equity from the fans share purchase Sphinx could fly through the leagues and potentially start playing at the Ricoh.
Potentially simplistic but remember we started as the works team of a bicycle manufacturer, Sphinx is the old rolls royce works team, anything is possible if we try.
Potentially simplistic but remember we started as the works team of a bicycle manufacturer, Sphinx is the old rolls royce works team, anything is possible if we try.
bigfatronssba
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It will be a breakaway club not a Phoenix club.
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By your logic AFC Wimbledon is a breakaway club, yet no one classes them as one.
stupot07
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No, AFC Wimbledon are a Phoenix club they were set up after the FA confirmed that Wimbledon would be moving permanently to Milton Keynes. Now FC United......
It was preserving that glorious past that drove followers of the club to start again in the summer of 2002 after a specially appointed three-man FA commission shocked football fans everywhere by allowing the old Wimbledon FC to relocate to a Buckinghamshire new town. Determined not to let a proud 104-year history die, Dons supporters organised themselves and within just six weeks AFC Wimbledon – a club the commission had declared would be “not in the wider interests of football” – was born.
Read more at http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/club/history/#9VEiHGRpw0HhIPq8.99
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bigfatronssba
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No, AFC Wimbledon are a Phoenix club they were set up after the FA confirmed that Wimbledon would be moving permanently to Milton Keynes. Now FC United......
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So when sisu confirm that they are relocating permanently outside the city will you class AFC Coventry as a phoenix team?
mark82
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No, AFC Wimbledon are a Phoenix club they were set up after the FA confirmed that Wimbledon would be moving permanently to Milton Keynes. Now FC United......
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Yes, AFC Wimbledon own the history, etc of Wimbledon FC. Believe (but may be wrong) Wimbledon FC were liquidated and the golden share handed over to the new club (ie MK Dons).
Hobo
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If we had a Phoenix club, not a break away club. It doesn't matter what the FA or anyone says....the clubs history would be Coventry's...not SISUs.
bigfatronssba
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if AFC Coventry are set up before confirmation of permanent relocation outside the city I will never consider it as a Phoenix team, I will never support it.
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Isnt that rather closed minded? You agree that a permanent relocation outside the city is justification for a phoenix team, yet your arguing over timing.
All we are looking at doing now is getting prepared. The current CCFC allegedly have to start showing some evidence of their return soon, so that should be long before any AFC Coventry kick off their first game.
Entirely predictable, ineffectual and feeble, heads in the sands from the usual suspects. Do nothing types it appears.
As Bigfatron says, the Phoenix club wouldn't kick off till August 2014, long enough I'll wager for Sisu to have come up with the details of this new ground. OR resolved things over the Ricoh.
Michael CCFC, I had a private message from you, but I can't open it.
Let's not get tangled up in MK Dons/AFC Wimbledon. It's US, CCFC we're talking about. My take is Wimbledon are the Wimbledon of Plough Lane, Vinnie Jones. The others are Milton Keynes. End of.
No good leaving this to crawl along. All the time we don't have our club in Coventry.
Initially we could talk to Sphinx, talk to Coventry United. I think either would be very happy to talk of upgrading their facilities to cater for say, 5,000 fans. More will get on board once the bandwagon gets rolling.
Ignore the Nick's, the Stupots, sitting on their hands, going along with whatever gets thrown at them. They'll still be throwing wet blankets over everything in a year. YOU want your club, fight for it.
As Bigfatron says, the Phoenix club wouldn't kick off till August 2014, long enough I'll wager for Sisu to have come up with the details of this new ground. OR resolved things over the Ricoh.
Michael CCFC, I had a private message from you, but I can't open it.
Let's not get tangled up in MK Dons/AFC Wimbledon. It's US, CCFC we're talking about. My take is Wimbledon are the Wimbledon of Plough Lane, Vinnie Jones. The others are Milton Keynes. End of.
No good leaving this to crawl along. All the time we don't have our club in Coventry.
Initially we could talk to Sphinx, talk to Coventry United. I think either would be very happy to talk of upgrading their facilities to cater for say, 5,000 fans. More will get on board once the bandwagon gets rolling.
Ignore the Nick's, the Stupots, sitting on their hands, going along with whatever gets thrown at them. They'll still be throwing wet blankets over everything in a year. YOU want your club, fight for it.
This from Bigfatronssba, he's got it right. GETTING PREPARED.
"All we are looking at doing now is getting prepared. The current CCFC allegedly have to start showing some evidence of their return soon, so that should be long before any AFC Coventry kick off their first game."
"All we are looking at doing now is getting prepared. The current CCFC allegedly have to start showing some evidence of their return soon, so that should be long before any AFC Coventry kick off their first game."
MichaelCCFC
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SK, message for you - and anyone else - is if you're interested in discussing this further please email me at [email protected]
bezzer
Well-Known Member
Well what are you waiting for? You seem to be spearheading this phoenix/breakaway malarkey, so get your application in to the FA, pop along to the Sphinx and tell them your ideas, round up your sponsors, build the 5000 seater stadium (judging by the MK turnout, it's a shame you'll have nearly 2k who can't get in) and start playing.
My club is Coventry City Football Club, founded in 1883. We may not play in the City at the moment and have shitty owners, but I'll never support anyone else.
magic82ball
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Sorry, how do you know the boycott isn't working. Was you expecting SISU to come back cap in hand declaring all is forgiven after half a season of poor attendances. There is a much longer game being played out and one in which SISU seem to master in, they are certainly not about to blink anytime soon.
The fact is that reduced attendances and considerable lower income streams WILL force SISU's hand... eventually. We as supporters have to be united and use every angle available to us to defeat SISU. Why oh why can some people just not see it?
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
"Actually, I've been working on a plan. During the exam, I'll hide under a pile of coats, and hope that somehow everything will work out."
- Homer Simpson Circa 1993
covmark
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totally agree pal, spionkop go and form your own poxy team, while your at it start your own phoenix forum, so we don't have to read any more of your crap.
magic82ball
New Member
But if we all went to a new phoenix forum, that would only leave you, Nick, stupot, Grendal and a few other lost souls locked into a perpetual cycle of liking each others posts. If you wanted that you would have joined GMK by now.