Oldham at home 29/12/13 BOYCOTT (3 Viewers)

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

"even Linnell" I have had some insults on here but I think thats just about the worst

Given the trousers he wears, it was meant to be

 

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[fernandopartridge]

The council-owned bit is a farce, unless you'd like to explain to us all why freehold is better than a long leasehold? Don't guess you can though.

And this time around, when there were still parties interested? Or are you ignoring that bit for convenience sake?

Remember that CCFC never had a leasehold either. They had a 50 year rental agreement with a leaseholder. They had the option of buying half of the company that held the 50 year lease.

 

[Grendel]

I have just had an exchange of emails with some friends, one of whom is in the medical profession. He suggested that all those going to Sixfields have a medical condition known as Khuntz-Mimi syndrome.

Did you do that from your padded cell?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Nope. It's not perversity. Its the fortitude posted about above.

It's not that they can't travel. It's not that they won't travel. It's that they won't travel to support the Sixfields Farce.

Argue all you like. The dismal crowds at the Northampton pantomime, viewed in sharp contrast to record-breaking away support - as highlighted in the national press - is an overwhelming statistical reality. And does it make me happy; in response to SISU's actions? Damn right

MMM where I agree with pretty much all your post there is just one smudge I'd question.

Saturday's support was fantastic but we took nearly 5000 to MK last season would it be fair to say the move to Northampton was not the only motive behind the huge crowd in support Saturday?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Remember that CCFC never had a leasehold either. They had a 50 year rental agreement with a leaseholder. They had the option of buying half of the company that held the 50 year lease.

Yes true; but I didn't want to over-complicate things. SISU are now saying that freehold is everything.

Which they weren't saying a year or so back, on Shane O'Connor's show - according to Fisher - it was 'all about revenues'.

I was trying to ask why a long leasehold - either direct or indirect - would be a significant disadvantage compared to a freehold? From a football club, operational perspective, that is

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

MMM where I agree with pretty much all your post there is just one smudge I'd question.

Saturday's support was fantastic but we took nearly 5000 to MK last seasonwould it be fair to say the move to Northampton was not the only motive behind the huge crowd in support Saturday?

If you cast your mind back to last year; the club was in a right mess still - SISU out banners being met by marauding orange-jacketed thugs, court cases, withheld rents and threats.

This year, the Northampton edge has added greater numbers, but the large away support - at this level - is primarily, as I understand it, a clear message to all parties that the supporters are fully behind the team and against the off-the-field instability

 

[Hobo]

Yes true; but I didn't want to over-complicate things. SISU are now saying that freehold is everything.

Which they weren't saying a year or so back, on Shane O'Connor's show - according to Fisher - it was 'all about revenues'.

I was trying to ask why a long leasehold - either direct or indirect - would be a significant disadvantage compared to a freehold? From a football club, operational perspective, that is

From a football club, operational perspective....perhaps that is not the long term plan for SISU and no longer their priority.
Hence Fisher talking about revenue streams where as now it is the importance of freehold.

It's how will we get a return on our investment, not how can we sustain football club.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

If you cast your mind back to last year; the club was in a right mess still - SISU out banners being met by marauding orange-jacketed thugs, court cases, withheld rents and threats.

This year, the Northampton edge has added greater numbers, but the large away support - at this level - is primarily, as I understand it, a clear message to all parties that the supporters are fully behind the team and against the off-the-field instability

True enough, but we must also consider that there is this year an exciting, young attacking team playing for the badge, the game itself is one of the closest games we will have all season, the stadium itself is a magnificent venue one of the best outside of the Premier League.

It would sound harsh if all the 7000 attendees were at MK Saturday or solely motivated by the war between Sisu/Council and the the rest of the state of things.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yes true; but I didn't want to over-complicate things. SISU are now saying that freehold is everything.

Which they weren't saying a year or so back, on Shane O'Connor's show - according to Fisher - it was 'all about revenues'.

I was trying to ask why a long leasehold - either direct or indirect - would be a significant disadvantage compared to a freehold? From a football club, operational perspective, that is

Would the Higgs' stake in ACL be valued higher now then lease has been lengthened?

 

[wingy]

True enough, but we must also consider that there is this year an exciting, young attacking team playing for the badge, the game itself is one of the closest games we will have all season, the stadium itself is a magnificent venue one of the best outside of the Premier League.

It would sound harsh if all the 7000 attendees were at MK Saturday or solely motivated by the war between Sisu/Council and the the rest of the state of things.

TBF we were on a cracking run last year IIRC.

 

[wingy]

Yes true; but I didn't want to over-complicate things. SISU are now saying that freehold is everything.

Which they weren't saying a year or so back, on Shane O'Connor's show - according to Fisher - it was 'all about revenues'.

I was trying to ask why a long leasehold - either direct or indirect - would be a significant disadvantage compared to a freehold? From a football club, operational perspective, that is

TBF around the time Fisher Claims they had struck the deal on 50% for clearing the loan ETC,the talk from him centered on extending ACL's lease 99-100 yrs.

 

[wingy]

Would the Higgs' stake in ACL be valued higher now then lease has been lengthened?

Has It ,I thought It has around 43 yrs to run?

 

[sky blue john]

Yeah; because nobody else would have come into town and bought us out of
administration; just like didn't happen at Derby, Southampton, Palace, Ipswich, Leicester, Millwall, Middlesbrough. Oh, wait there a minute...

And if your eyes were closed, there were even parties interested this time around, with us being a division lower, with crowds halved by the policies of your mates.

Even Linnell has moved away from that poor, poor line nowadays....

My biggest gripe against the council in all this is that they approved Andreas mates taking us over in the first place !!!!

 

[wingy]

True enough, but we must also consider that there is this year an exciting, young attacking team playing for the badge, the game itself is one of the closest games we will have all season, the stadium itself is a magnificent venue one of the best outside of the Premier League.

It would sound harsh if all the 7000 attendees were at MK Saturday or solely motivated by the war between Sisu/Council and the the rest of the state of things.

What % do you think at a guess.Heres another question ,Non scientific but what % of the 8000 that don't because of hardcore differences on SISU strategy ,against those that think moving was the final straw ,against those that can't through Finance /Practicality?

 

[No future with SISU]

well they are? Who wouldnt be? The football has been mostly first class there all season

I met a couple of lads at the milton keynes game, they told me all about the Tramere game

 

[No future with SISU]

...and saved us from oblivion

They just carried on the same debt, thinking they would make money, how is that saveing us from oblivion.

 

[No future with SISU]

Keep believing it if it makes you happy. You have achieved nothing with all your "spirit and morality" A peverse pantomime is 7000 people going on Saturday (for most of them their one game of the season) and then name calling those who want to go on 29th December

You seem worried, are you going to be on your own 29th December.

 

[No future with SISU]

MMM where I agree with pretty much all your post there is just one smudge I'd question.

Saturday's support was fantastic but we took nearly 5000 to MK last season would it be fair to say the move to Northampton was not the only motive behind the huge crowd in support Saturday?

That was a christmas match when supporters were off work.

 

[AndreasB]

You seem worried, are you going to be on your own 29th December.

That would be brilliant fun.

 

[italiahorse]

That would be brilliant fun.

Got to admire the push for SISU fan of the year.

 

[covcity4life]

Got to admire the push for SISU fan of the year.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

What % do you think at a guess.Heres another question ,Non scientific but what % of the 8000 that don't because of hardcore differences on SISU strategy ,against those that think moving was the final straw ,against those that can't through Finance /Practicality?

I would say the percentage of fans who were there for the game itself would have been around 50%-60%, If your second question is what % of the 8000 that don't attend Sixfields game don't because of differences on Sisu stratergy, I would answer that at 100%. I am sorry but I don't quite understand where your coming from with the rest of the questions Wingy?

 

[ajsccfc]

That's a clear dive, no way the blonde girl deserves a booking for that.

 

[wingy]

I would say the percentage of fans who were there for the game itself would have been around 50%-60%, If your second question is what % of the 8000 that don't attend Sixfields game don't because of differences on Sisu stratergy, I would answer that at 100%. I am sorry but I don't quite understand where your coming from with the rest of the questions Wingy?

I was in the first point referring to the MK match in terms of attending to focus our situation,oviously while having a bloody good day out.Secondly % of 8000 that don't o Sixfields due to hardcore oppossition to SISU strategy,Don'T go purely as the move Is the step to far and finally %that can't due to finance /practicality of move.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I was in the first point referring to the MK match in terms of attending to focus our situation,oviously while having a bloody good day out.Secondly % of 8000 that don't due to hardcore oppossition to SISU strategy,Don'i go purely as the move Is the step to far and finally %that can't due to finance /practicality of move.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Q1 - 50%
Q2 - 100%
Q3 - 60%

 

[cochese]

The players deserve better than playing games in front of completely boycotted ground.

The biggest reason why I prefer that fans chose one game to attend rather than completely boycott is that it's a positive form of protest. It sends a positive message to the players that they haven't been forgotten, and shows the owners how many fans really could go to sixfields but choose not to. By not turning up it's a guessing game as to who can't be bothered to go, who can't physically go, and those who are genuinely boycotting the games.

I'm sure some will say that you could easily find out how many fans don't want to go because they were there at MK dons. Well there were 11k at old trafford all those years ago and there were fewer than 11k fans at many games last season.

I want this team to do as well as they can this season, and that could mean having a go at getting in to the playoffs. For that to happen they will need as much support from the fans that the fans are willing to give. And they need that for EVERY game to be in with a chance.

And no, I'm not Tim.

 

[ecky]

The players deserve better than playing games in front of completely boycotted ground.

The biggest reason why I prefer that fans chose one game to attend rather than completely boycott is that it's a positive form of protest. It sends a positive message to the players that they haven't been forgotten, and shows the owners how many fans really could go to sixfields but choose not to. By not turning up it's a guessing game as to who can't be bothered to go, who can't physically go, and those who are genuinely boycotting the games.

what you forget is this dodgy outfit could cut and run selling before they go, or cutting any investment, personally i wish they would just sell ccfc and clear off..

I'm sure some will say that you could easily find out how many fans don't want to go because they were there at MK dons. Well there were 11k at old trafford all those years ago and there were fewer than 11k fans at many games last season.

I want this team to do as well as they can this season, and that could mean having a go at getting in to the playoffs. For that to happen they will need as much support from the fans that the fans are willing to give. And they need that for EVERY game to be in with a chance.

And no, I'm not Tim.

 

[AndreasB]

Problem is, this forum only preaches to the converted - any genuine opposing view gets shouted down by a slew of Timmy haters.

The 1500 or so that regularly go to Sixfields dont need to come on here to be lectured at and patronised and dont post on here so Im not quite sure who this thread is meant to convince.

 

[covcity4life]

the fans deserve better too

time to be selfish perhaps.

 

[RPHunt]

The 1500 or so that regularly go to Sixfields dont need to come on here to be lectured at and patronised and dont post on here so Im not quite sure who this thread is meant to convince.

No, most of them prefer to keep quiet about their guilt and shame - pity you don't join them.

 

[Ashdown1]

Those clubs were more attractive, better supported, more potential oh and didnt have a Council involved who owned a football ground by default.

By default............now you really have shown yourself up to be an ignorant fucking moron !

 

[letsallsingtogether]

You need to think before you reply because off the top of my head we would normally have bigger crowds then most of the teams mentioned and as for owning there own ground Leicester didn't own there own ground when they were taken over?

Anyway you should know all this I sure it been mentioned to you while you sit on fishers Knee taking notes.

Those clubs were more attractive, better supported, more potential oh and didnt have a Council involved who owned a football ground by default.

 

[ajsccfc]

It's the stirring arguments that make this place what it is.

 

[Grendel]

It's the stirring arguments that make this place what it is.

Were you sitting on Joys lap when you posted that?

 

[sky blue john]

Just had a quick look on GMK i was surprised to see quite a few up for the sixfields boycott !!!
Maybe they are starting to see sense ?