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[Deleted member 5849]

OK back to original topic, I've listened to what Waggot said.. and it was ..

2 to 3 'peripheral' players will be going to bring in players to strengthen the squad.
Only player mentioned for recruiting was a holding midfielder & a general reference to 'more pace'.
He expects one of Christie, Wilson, Leon Clarke to go by end of season & money used to restructure.
L. Clarke has contract to Jun 2015, Wilson recently signed 3 year deal, Christie not signing a deal, agent blamed for this.
30-25 scouts come to each 'home' game, includes likes of Fulham & Palace.

Well if Christie's not signing a contract, he's definitely going by the end of the season regardless!

Still a far, far better result if all that happens than we have any right to expect, really.

 

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[Jack Griffin]

I'm not. I'm not saying any of it is ok. I can't stand capitalism. I hate the word profit.

I love community, I love unity. CCFC brought that, and it's gone - for now. I'm saying it is criminal that the local authority who claim to have the same interests, ie community and unity - are part to blame with intent for the removal of that.

It is SISU that took the club & the community spirit away.. derrrr...

 

[WillieStanley]

ALLmost every point of this post is wrong with fans opi

Fortunately, the mass aren't always right. I bring to your attention the euphoria of the election of Obama, Spice Girls outselling The Beatles and fans general opinion of SISU when they bought the club.

And I am a fan... and a Trust member... it's right with my opinion. Don't I count?

 

[WillieStanley]

Havent got a clue what you are talking about

I noticed.

Jack - yes they did, with a less than gentle push and persuasion from our local authority.

 

[valiant15]

I'm convinced I know who you are... :thinking about:

Football and politics don't mix do they.
You might know me, give me a clue.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Football and politics don't mix do they.
You might know me, give me a clue.

Why dont you know who you are:thinking about:

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Depends on the time of day/night?

Why dont you know who you are:thinking about:

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I'm not. I'm not saying any of it is ok. I can't stand capitalism. I hate the word profit.

I love community, I love unity. CCFC brought that, and it's gone - for now. I'm saying it is criminal that the local authority who claim to have the same interests, ie community and unity - are part to blame with intent for the removal of that.

But we all know that CCC cannot sell the freehold for less than fair market price and are statute barred from doing so. So they're limited as to what they can do in that regard.

Movement on rent or revenues without freeold are worthless to SISU, we agree on that.

So surely the only solution is for SISU to pay fair market price for the Ricoh?!?

 

[dongonzalos]

Somehow Willie is arguing that cruel & expected capitalist tactics is OK and for the council not to give into them means they can't be forgiven, give me strength!

OK back to original topic, I've listened to what Waggot said.. and it was ..

2 to 3 'peripheral' players will be going to bring in players to strengthen the squad.
Only player mentioned for recruiting was a holding midfielder & a general reference to 'more pace'.
He expects one of Christie, Wilson, Leon Clarke to go by end of season & money used to restructure.
L. Clarke has contract to Jun 2015, Wilson recently signed 3 year deal, Christie not signing a deal, agent blamed for this.
30-25 scouts come to each 'home' game, includes likes of Fulham & Palace.

Yet they have also said they would rather let Chrisitie go for free rather than sell him. As he is more important to keep till the end if the season.

So are we expecting a ridiculous offer for one of these three?

What is ridiculous?

 

[stupot07]

very key point.

that's like me accepting to rent your house for £1000 a month, then saying oh no I'll pay £250, and if you say no, i'll stay here rent free, and expect the house to be given to me

Not really, because you could afford to or need all five bedrooms in my detached house you'd go and find a more affordable 3 bed semi.


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[bigfatronssba]

Not really, because you could afford to or need all five bedrooms in my detached house you'd go and find a more affordable 3 bed semi.


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Not if you were self employed and the 3 bed semi was 35 miles away from all your customers.

 

[torchomatic]

WHy is everyone suddenly getting their knickers in a twist over us selling players? Gillespie, Keane, Davenport, wallace, Danny Thomas, Kirkwood, Babb...the list is endless.

 

[WillieStanley]

But we all know that CCC cannot sell the freehold for less than fair market price and are statute barred from doing so. So they're limited as to what they can do in that regard.

Movement on rent or revenues without freeold are worthless to SISU, we agree on that.

So surely the only solution is for SISU to pay fair market price for the Ricoh?!?[/QUOTE]

Totally agreed.

My point is that, during the build up to what's happening CCC should have acted with more responsibility. They effectively loaded the gun for SISU to pull the trigger. SISU were always going to pull that trigger in order to get the Ricoh but the council had the power to at least load it with blanks.

 

[WillieStanley]

Football and politics don't mix do they.
You might know me, give me a clue.

They are intertwined.

I'm sure I've worked with you on a CCFC project and you're not the person you're making out to be. You may have something to do with a certain social media page?

 

[stupot07]

They didn't sign it, it was a pre-existing contract. Are you saying it was a good deal?

They had a choice--if they didn't like it they should have renegotiated it before buying CCFC. That would have been good business practice--Oops I forgot it was sisu conducting the business--no chance of good business practice there then.

Not really. They bought ccfc and all of it's existing contracts. Should they have renegotiated every contract ccfc had in place before buying the club?, utility bills, transport, academy at the Higgs, ict support, kit suppliers, etc?

I agree it should have been one of the first things they should have done when they took over, along with slashing an unaffordable wage bill, but I don't see how or why they would be renegotiating contracts prior to buying the club. ACL wouldn't even acknowledge Otium in the administration process because that's not where the contract was.


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[Hobo]

WHy is everyone suddenly getting their knickers in a twist over us selling players? Gillespie, Keane, Davenport, wallace, Danny Thomas, Kirkwood, Babb...the list is endless.

Dennis Mortimer, MIck Ferguson, Stuart Pearce, Gary Thompson.

 

[stupot07]

Yet they have also said they would rather let Chrisitie go for free rather than sell him. As he is more important to keep till the end if the season.

So are we expecting a ridiculous offer for one of these three?

What is ridiculous?

A ridiculous offer is anything above what they are worth.

Personally after the Thorn era, I would rather not let anyone leave for free again. With the EPPP it's likely that clubs will start to receive smaller fees through the tribunal compared to 2-3 seasons ago. I imagine we'd be lucky to get £300k compensation for him in the summer so anything over £600k would be excellent business considering he won't sign a new contract.

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[bigfatronssba]

I'm not. I'm not saying any of it is ok. I can't stand capitalism. I hate the word profit.

I love community, I love unity. CCFC brought that, and it's gone - for now. I'm saying it is criminal that the local authority who claim to have the same interests, ie community and unity - are part to blame with intent for the removal of that.

What should the local authority have done then?

I have this old fashioned idea that in a democracy the local authority tries to look after all and carries out the wishes of the majority. I doubt the majority of the 300k Coventrians would be happy about the Ricoh being gifted away.

Also I find it strange how so many socialists on here side with the uber capitalists.

I am slightly more of a believer in capitalism than socialism , yet here I am siding with the left wing council. Mainly because imo they are the lesser of two evils in this scenario, but also because in a capitalist system if your business goes tits up, its your fault, your responsibility. No one else's, yet the ultra capitalists sisu seem to ignore that.

What capitalists shouldn't believe in is messing up a business and then expecting state hand outs.

 

[dongonzalos]

If ACL will get paid in the end.
Why did SISU not just pay them as soon as they took legal action?
Would that not have stopped administration?
Would that not have prevented any chance of us getting a points deduction?

Or was there a possible reason they did not pay up?
Did administration suit?

Would SISU risk 5 million to save a million. (Not likely) without good reason....

 

[stupot07]

Not if you were self employed and the 3 bed semi was 35 miles away from all your customers.

You have customers coming to your house.....you're not running a 'massage parlour' are you?

The point is the house analogy doesn't work, neither does 'normal' business premises because if you couldn't afford it you would move somewhere you can afford. Football stadia are unique, there's only 1 in the city and only a handful in a 30-40 mile radius.


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[dongonzalos]

A ridiculous offer is anything above what they are worth.


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Is it?
Even a quid?
Surely that's just an offer?
Is a ridiculous offer not substantially more than what they are worth?
Otherwise how is it ridiculous?

 

[Astute]

WHy is everyone suddenly getting their knickers in a twist over us selling players? Gillespie, Keane, Davenport, wallace, Danny Thomas, Kirkwood, Babb...the list is endless.

So someone mentions a few players we have sold over the years out of hundreds of players we have had means SISUE are OK selling players and not replacing them as has become the usual. And Silly Willy thinks that CCC should break the law and let SISUE have the Ricoh for well under value because of Obama and the Spice Girls

 

[Astute]

You have customers coming to your house.....you're not running a 'massage parlour' are you?

The point is the house analogy doesn't work, neither does 'normal' business premises because if you couldn't afford it you would move somewhere you can afford. Football stadia are unique, there's only 1 in the city and only a handful in a 30-40 mile radius.


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A fair few are within the 40 mile radius. Look at Brum alone. But how many are in Coventry?.........like where we should be playing.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You have customers coming to your house.....you're not running a 'massage parlour' are you?

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Unlikely, I have enough trouble giving it away, if I tried to charge I might as well become a monk.

 

[stupot07]

A fair few are within the 40 mile radius. Look at Brum alone. But how many are in Coventry?.........like where we should be playing.

With football league status.


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[dongonzalos]

Dennis Mortimer, MIck Ferguson, Stuart Pearce, Gary Thompson.

We have signed some great players in the past as well
Dublin
Keane
Hartson
Huckerby
Mcallister
Babb
Gallagher

 

[stupot07]

Is it?
Even a quid?
Surely that's just an offer?
Is a ridiculous offer not substantially more than what they are worth?
Otherwise how is it ridiculous?

If christie goes it's because he won't sign a new contract and we can get more than through compensation in the summer. What is wrong with that?


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[dongonzalos]

I would guess
Say Leon as one of the top scores in league one in contract maybe worth a million, so 1.4 would be ridiculous.
Wilson also a top scorer the age the potential. Worth 1.5 so 2 million would be ridiculous.

Christie attracting interest from prem and championship clubs.
Out of contract in the summer. Compo available
500-750k as ridiculous?

 

[stupot07]

We have signed some great players in the past as well
Dublin
Keane
Hartson
Huckerby
Mcallister
Babb
Gallagher

And most of them are part of the reason we're in this crap now. We signed too many players we couldn't afford in wages we couldn't afford with money we didn't have.


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[stupot07]

I would guess
Say Leon as one of the top scores in league one in contract maybe worth a million, so 1.4 would be ridiculous.
Wilson also a top scorer the age the potential. Worth 1.5 so 2 million would be ridiculous.

Christie attracting interest from prem and championship clubs.
Out of contract in the summer. Compo available
500-750k as ridiculous?

I think you're over egging their worth. By your first suggestion we should have paid £1-1.4m for Leon last season...

It's like the danny fox £1.5m scenario.


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[Astute]

With football league status.

Brum, Villa, WBA, Walsall and Wolves. And within the 40 miles there are teams like Fester closer than Northampton.

 

[Astute]

And most of them are part of the reason we're in this crap now. We signed too many players we couldn't afford in wages we couldn't afford with money we didn't have.

And I agree with you. It is all the fault of CCC :thinking about:

 

[ecky]

So Sisu lied again ? they said they would fund the losses not the "Squad".. When there s nothing left to sell to survive what next ??

sisu are selling before they go........hopefully? think they will asset strip the club so there is nothing left, they were never in it for the long run.
no ambition from them, they are not football people best shot of them

 

[skybluefred]

Not really. They bought ccfc and all of it's existing contracts. Should they have renegotiated every contract ccfc had in place before buying the club?, utility bills, transport, academy at the Higgs, ict support, kit suppliers, etc?

I agree it should have been one of the first things they should have done when they took over, along with slashing an unaffordable wage bill, but I don't see how or why they would be renegotiating contracts prior to buying the club. ACL wouldn't even acknowledge Otium in the administration process because that's not where the contract was.

You are trying to convince me that hard headed people like sisu would buy a business and all of it's legally binding contracts without completing due diligence.A blind man on a galloping horse could see that paying £1.2m rent,and not
getting any of the match day revenues because previous owners had sold them off, would mean the Club was never going to be viable.If knowing these facts you still go ahead and buy then the buck stops solely with you and your own
incompetance.

Whichever way you try to spin it,sisu have made an almighty mess of running CCFC and are now frantically looking
for way's to cut their losses and scarper. The quicker the better.
Oh and otium did not exist when sisu bought CCFC.

 

[Hobo]

I have just seen the light....management change, councillors change, players change, owners change.

The most constant thing is us the fans.....so it's our fault.