We need action not ideas (2 Viewers)

[MichaelCCFC]

What we need is more action not more ideas because there is already lots that people can do – this is a war of attrition* so no individual action will lead to us returning to Coventry but think of it as battling on different fronts and it’s the combined (small) efforts of lots of people that will matter in the end. So...

• At different events just a handful of people have been able to attract attention for our plight and keep nagging away at the different parties, so whether it’s the FL, ccc or sisu you want to target you only need a car full and you’re sorted.
• There was a great idea on here about masks for Crewe - it only needs a couple of posters to take a lead and that could really work.
• For people who want more done with acl/ccc there’s the back to the ricoh group so get involved with them.
• Or if you prefer, the Sky Blue Trust is active so you can get in touch with them and go along to their next meeting.
• If you like the idea of all parties being called to account then get to work with the epetition – word of mouth is critical so nagging people in person is really important. I’ve now got supplies of leaflets so get a few and put them up in local shops or just put some through your neighbours’ doors. This Saturday we’ll be at Stamford Bridge with the Chelsea Supporters Trust so come and help there or use the weekend’s different phone ins to publicise the petition.
• If you go inside sixfields follow the example of Jo and her fantastic photobomb last Sunday.
• If you want an AFC then phone the FL/FA, find out what you need to do - and do it.
• And I don’t agree with disrupting games but if that’s what you want to do don't waste your time posting on here but look up Headingley 1975 - digging a few holes stopped a Test match and the 18 month prison sentence no doubt allowed a lot of time for devising the next plan.

If you do nothing then nothing will change. If you do something, however small, it all adds to the overall war.


*I don’t like the WW1 metaphor in relation to something like football which in comparison is so trivial, so if someone can come up with a better one I’d be very grateful

 

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[Nick]

Surely you need ideas before taking action though otherwise it is just aimless action isn't it? It needs proper thought doesn't it? I agree we need action but it does need to be well thought out doesn't it?

It is all well and good saying "it adds to the war", I could spray paint SISU out on the side of my car which is taking action, it may well add to the "war" but will achieve nothing...

Also, it wasn't a photobomb. Sounds like somebodies mum trying to be down with the kids using "cool" words. YOLO (This is in jest)

 

[lewys33]

Odd people doing this that and the other isn't going to work I dont think. I still think we need to club together and thrash ideas out (maybe a job for a sky blues trust meeting - obvioulsy a thread on here was too much for some) that we can all get behind that makes all parties involved very uncomfortable. The more numbers behind this the better.

The more uncomfortable we make things for all parties the better.

The more people helping with the petition the better as well obviously, but I still think thrashing out ideas is crucial even if just to spur on new better ideas!

 

[wingy]

Odd people doing this that and the other isn't going to work I dont think. I still think we need to club together and thrash ideas out (maybe a job for a sky blues trust meeting - obvioulsy a thread on here was too much for some) that we can all get behind that makes all parties involved very uncomfortable. The more numbers behind this the better.

The more uncomfortable we make things for all parties the better.

The more people helping with the petition the better as well obviously, but I still think thrashing out ideas is crucial even if just to spur on new better ideas!

Liked that one Yesterday from Mark82 about turning up In Numbers to watch the youth games.

 

[ccfcway]

Michael, its a compliment to you when i say this, but take the lead.

You have proved if its the right idea people will follow.

The masks was my idea, but i have to say I like the idea of the plane flying across aintree or another major sporting event saying "sent from Coventry" or something similar. Has anyone approached the CT to see if they are interested in doing it / sponsoring it ?

 

[lewys33]

Michael, its a compliment to you when i say this, but take the lead.

You have proved if its the right idea people will follow.

The masks was my idea, but i have to say I like the idea of the plane flying across aintree or another major sporting event saying "sent from Coventry" or something similar. Has anyone approached the CT to see if they are interested in doing it / sponsoring it ?

what about fixfootbal.co.uk instead? Might get people interested to open it on their phone etc.

 

[Nick]

Liked that one Yesterday from Mark82 about turning up In Numbers to watch the youth games.

Or the fans team.

 

[ccfcway]

what about fixfootbal.co.uk instead? Might get people interested to open it on their phone etc.

to me if i saw that on a plane i would think it was an ad for a betting site

 

[Nick]

what about fixfootbal.co.uk instead? Might get people interested to open it on their phone etc.

It may get some people open their phone and go to it, how many while at a event will sit and fill out a petition though?

Might be a waste of money if you are after petition signatures, much better off with PPC.

 

[ccfcway]

It may get some people open their phone and go to it, how many while at a event will sit and fill out a petition though?

very very few

 

[fernandopartridge]

We need action not ideas followed by 8 ideas.

This reminds me of the People's Front of Judea

"It's action what we need, not words, action!....."

"Right, time for an immediate discussion"

 

[Nick]

very very few

Exactly, if you are going to spend money marketing the petition, you need to get the best conversion rate. Somebody more apt in marketing will be able to advise though.

 

[ccfcway]

It may get some people open their phone and go to it, how many while at a event will sit and fill out a petition though?

Might be a waste of money if you are after petition signatures, much better off with PPC.

but if it said "Sent to Coventry", the CT would certainly get a front page out of it, and it would certainly create some interest.

If the CT arent interested, its certainly something Paddy Power would look at !

 

[ccfcway]

what are we doing for the Sheff Utd game on Sky ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What we need is more action not more ideas because there is already lots that people can do – this is a war of attrition* so no individual action will lead to us returning to Coventry but think of it as battling on different fronts and it’s the combined (small) efforts of lots of people that will matter in the end. So...

• At different events just a handful of people have been able to attract attention for our plight and keep nagging away at the different parties, so whether it’s the FL, ccc or sisu you want to target you only need a car full and you’re sorted.
• There was a great idea on here about masks for Crewe - it only needs a couple of posters to take a lead and that could really work.
• For people who want more done with acl/ccc there’s the back to the ricoh group so get involved with them.
• Or if you prefer, the Sky Blue Trust is active so you can get in touch with them and go along to their next meeting.
• If you like the idea of all parties being called to account then get to work with the epetition – word of mouth is critical so nagging people in person is really important. I’ve now got supplies of leaflets so get a few and put them up in local shops or just put some through your neighbours’ doors. This Saturday we’ll be at Stamford Bridge with the Chelsea Supporters Trust so come and help there or use the weekend’s different phone ins to publicise the petition.
• If you go inside sixfields follow the example of Jo and her fantastic photobomb last Sunday.
• If you want an AFC then phone the FL/FA, find out what you need to do - and do it.
• And I don’t agree with disrupting games but if that’s what you want to do don't waste your time posting on here but look up Headingley 1975 - digging a few holes stopped a Test match and the 18 month prison sentence no doubt allowed a lot of time for devising the next plan.

If you do nothing then nothing will change. If you do something, however small, it all adds to the overall war.


*I don’t like the WW1 metaphor in relation to something like football which in comparison is so trivial, so if someone can come up with a better one I’d be very grateful

Eh?

 

[hill83]

We need action not ideas followed by 8 ideas.

This reminds me of the People's Front of Judea

"It's action what we need, not words, action!....."

"Right, time for an immediate discussion"

"Yeah but what are you doing."

"At least he's doing something."

"Pat me on the back."

 

[fernandopartridge]

Eh?

Quite a similar cause:

1975: Davis campaigners stop Test match
Campaigners calling for the release of robber George Davis from prison have vandalised the pitch at Headingley cricket ground in Leeds.They dug holes in the pitch and poured oil over one end of the wicket.
The walls surrounding the ground were also daubed with the now- familiar slogans demanding the release of Davis, the east London minicab driver jailed for his part in an armed robbery.
The damaged pitch was discovered early on Tuesday by the head groundsman, George Cawthray.
Mr Cawthray said: "When I first saw the damage it did not sink in. I was amazed. I thought I should be able to repair the holes but it was the oil that did the damage."
The campaigners' actions led to the final match between England and Australia on Tuesday being abandoned.
It was declared a draw robbing England of the chance to win back the Ashes and the trophy.
'Mistaken identity'
Detectives are searching for several men believed to have travelled from London to Leeds on Monday.
Four police officers from Leeds have travelled to London to assist the Metropolitan police in their investigations
Davis, 34, who was sentenced to a 20-year term last year, is serving his sentence at Albany Prison on the Isle of Wight.
His supporters say he was the victim of mistaken identity and did not take part in a payroll robbery in Ilford, Essex, when a police officer was shot and injured.
Since Davis' imprisonment they have organised marches, petitions and fund-raising events to increase public awareness of his case.
In May two campaigners - Davis' brothers-in-law Jim and Colin Dean - carried out a seven-hour roof-top protest at St Paul's cathedral in London.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Quite a similar cause:

Trying to stop a team winning the Ashes is similar to trying to bring back a football team?

 

[ccfcway]

I don’t agree with disrupting games but if that’s what you want to do don't waste your time posting on here but look up Headingley 1975 - digging a few holes stopped a Test match and the 18 month prison sentence no doubt allowed a lot of time for devising the next plan.l

In which case, Webster and Seasbourne should be locked up, god knows we have enough holes in our defence

 

[dongonzalos]

There should be a mass event agreed by the Trust and led by the trust
The masks and the planes for the Sheffield utd Match sounds good
It would be better if it is arranged by the trust.

Forget this the trust need to be nicey nicey to SISU or SISU won't talk to them malarkey.

The trust have tried that and look where it got them.

Now it is time for the trust to represent its members who are requesting some form if organised protest

 

[Grendel]

There should be a mass event agreed by the Trust and led by the trust
The masks and the planes for the Sheffield utd
Match sounds good
It would be better if it is arranged by the trust.

Forget this the trust need to be nicely nicely to SISU or SISU won't talk to them malarkey.

The trust have tried that and look where it got them.

Now it is time for the trust to represent its members who are requesting some form if organised protest

What will such an event achieve?

The only protest that would have any effect is one at league headquarters. Ambling round coventry is pointless and there will be hardly anyone up for a protest in London.

 

[dongonzalos]

What will such an event achieve?

The only protest that would have any effect is one at league headquarters. Ambling round coventry is pointless and there will be hardly anyone up for a protest in London.

Whatever protest will get the most involved
Then over to the trust to organise

 

[johnniericoh]

Surely you need ideas before taking action though otherwise it is just aimless action isn't it? It needs proper thought doesn't it? I agree we need action but it does need to be well thought out doesn't it?

It is all well and good saying "it adds to the war", I could spray paint SISU out on the side of my car which is taking action, it may well add to the "war" but will achieve nothing...

Also, it wasn't a photobomb. Sounds like somebodies mum trying to be down with the kids using "cool" words. YOLO (This is in jest)

Is it at all remotely possible to nominate a forthcoming home match, say v Bradford Tuesday 1st April @ 7.45pm whereby NO City fan attends just a handful of away fans.

I know we have to convince the "loyal" 1000-1500 fans that do go and I do realise we will never actually get zero fans BUT appeal that it is a one off and most certainly will be noticed by the media if we eventually get a two figure attendance.

Just an IDEA

 

[lewys33]

Is it at all remotely possible to nominate a forthcoming home match, say v Bradford Tuesday 1st April @ 7.45pm whereby NO City fan attends just a handful of away fans.

I know we have to convince the "loyal" 1000-1500 fans that do go and I do realise we will never actually get zero fans BUT appeal that it is a one off and most certainly will be noticed by the media if we eventually get a two figure attendance.

Just an IDEA

I suggested this a while ago and got shot down BIG TIME

 

[Nick]

Is it at all remotely possible to nominate a forthcoming home match, say v Bradford Tuesday 1st April @ 7.45pm whereby NO City fan attends just a handful of away fans.

I know we have to convince the "loyal" 1000-1500 fans that do go and I do realise we will never actually get zero fans BUT appeal that it is a one off and most certainly will be noticed by the media if we eventually get a two figure attendance.

Just an IDEA

We could take 30k and fill the ground and the remaining 20k or so could lurk around outside. That would get picked up on by the media, but people will refuse to go in.

People will also always go to the games. Bit of a non starter.

 

[Leamington Pete]

A peaceful protest outside a "home" game, with more people outside than in, is to me the next logical step. Polite lobbying of those going in, a request to the visiting fans to refuse to travel, and an invitation to all other clubs' fans to join us could make it quite newsworthy. Chelsea fans have shown that other clubs' supporters will actively help us, maybe now we need to give them a chance to do so.

 

[_brian_]

I'm taking action by ignoring all things CCFC related! I'm not even posting on here any more!!!

 

[Leamington Pete]

I'm taking action by ignoring all things CCFC related! I'm not even posting on here any more!!!

So I see!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

i'm taking action by ignoring all things ccfc related! I'm not even posting on here any more!!!

lol!!

 

[fernandopartridge]

The idea that a game attended by nobody would somehow garner a load of publicity beyond one attended by 1500 is a bit of a fallacy imo.

The boycott has been made clear and credited by all quarters, it hasn't had any sort of effect though really.

I hate to be defeatist but I think the summer needs to run its course before we might say anything happen.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

Odd people doing this that and the other isn't going to work I dont think. I still think we need to club together and thrash ideas out (maybe a job for a sky blues trust meeting - obvioulsy a thread on here was too much for some) that we can all get behind that makes all parties involved very uncomfortable. The more numbers behind this the better.

The more uncomfortable we make things for all parties the better.

The more people helping with the petition the better as well obviously, but I still think thrashing out ideas is crucial even if just to spur on new better ideas!

"Odd people" - lol!

Getting people together to thrash out ideas is great but apart from the Legends game and the march no event has got thousands to turn out so it's a case of either keep trying to persuade people to unite behind one idea (my head can't take any more banging against a brick wall) or make a virtue of necessity and recognise that a handful of people can have as much impact as thousands - remember, the march got no national media coverage at all - and encourage people to get on with doing different things whether that's inside sixfields, with ccc, Fl/sisu offices, the petition or whatever else (and those wanting more 'militant' action can do it single handed as already pointed out on this thread). A small number of people doing something will achieve a lot more than large numbers of people doing nothing other than endlessly debating whether to go inside sixfields/100% boycott/it's all sisu's fault/it's all acl's fault etc etc

(Lewys - don't mean the above to sound stroppy but think I've been at this too long now...)

 

[torchomatic]

I was with you there until the "loyal" cheap shot.

Is it at all remotely possible to nominate a forthcoming home match, say v Bradford Tuesday 1st April @ 7.45pm whereby NO City fan attends just a handful of away fans.

I know we have to convince the "loyal" 1000-1500 fans that do go and I do realise we will never actually get zero fans BUT appeal that it is a one off and most certainly will be noticed by the media if we eventually get a two figure attendance.

Just an IDEA

 

[Hobo]

Attend the Judicial Review camera phones at the ready.

 

[Hobo]

I was with you there until the "loyal" cheap shot.

Oh go on Torch take one on the chin for Coventry City FC.
What is bigger, a fans distorted view, your ego or the club? ;-)

 

[shmmeee]

What will such an event achieve?

The only protest that would have any effect is one at league headquarters. Ambling round coventry is pointless and there will be hardly anyone up for a protest in London.

I agree the FL are the best pressure point. Sisu don't give a shit. CCC can't actually do anything without Sisu. I wouldn't be surprised if in all this the pressure from MPs actually has the most effect (assuming it's not all wrapped up this summer).