Rusty Trombone
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The playground discussion was held at the Stadium Forum, the minutes are on the club website as well, but you have to get Sandra's permission to publish them elsewhere.
Supporters consultative group minutes? (7 Viewers)
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The playground discussion was held at the Stadium Forum, the minutes are on the club website as well, but you have to get Sandra's permission to publish them elsewhere.
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
Embarrassing
Well done ML it worked!
An entire meeting wasted on debating
He said that
She said that
We said that
If he apologises for saying that he can still be in our group of friends! If he doesn't apologise then don't speak to him!
Well done fella's in the meantime the fans are sitting here with questions that the club have not answered with any degree of satisfaction or clarity!
Also where were the representatives of the club.
You only meet once a month you are clearly valued by ML and TF!!!!
Now we have to wait another bloody month to get a chance.
Well done ML it worked!
An entire meeting wasted on debating
He said that
She said that
We said that
If he apologises for saying that he can still be in our group of friends! If he doesn't apologise then don't speak to him!
Well done fella's in the meantime the fans are sitting here with questions that the club have not answered with any degree of satisfaction or clarity!
Also where were the representatives of the club.
You only meet once a month you are clearly valued by ML and TF!!!!
Now we have to wait another bloody month to get a chance.
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chiefdave
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Totally, what an absolute shambles everything to do with our club has become. Who is this Jonathan Strange chap anyway to be lording it over everyone. Is he a representative of SISU as he seems to have a similar way with words to Fisher and Labovich.
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Jack Griffin
Guest
Chair Jonathan Stange who resigned from office in LSG because he disagreed with the majority viewpoint of the membership, strange choice of Chairman.
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Jack Griffin
Guest
Not any more it is largely unrepresentative now, just like the stadium forum.
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
Whoever that chairman is, he is a pedantic nit picker who will have every meeting tied up in pomp and procedure all about personal power. It is too an important time for Cov fans to have this sort of rubbish going on whilst we are playing in Northampton.
Did he discuss the actual contents of that email!
No
Did he discuss the actual contents of that email!
No
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chiefdave
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So essentially what we've learnt is that despite Strange claiming the SCG is totally independent of the club they now want to kick the SBT (the largest fans representative group) out.
Sandra Garlicks group has become very secretive and seemingly has something to hide.
I'm sure we all feel a lot more positve about the club after reading that :facepalm:
Sandra Garlicks group has become very secretive and seemingly has something to hide.
I'm sure we all feel a lot more positve about the club after reading that :facepalm:
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
The trust should formulate questions from the fans each week and ask CWR/ CET to ask the Council and SISU for the answers.
Pick the top ten most important questions. Keep asking every week till they are answered.
Pick the top ten most important questions. Keep asking every week till they are answered.
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Now been published on the official website .........
Just my opinion but still not sure what the SCG role actually is (I know what the terms of reference say but....), and as for being leaders and unifying the fans I just do not see it, either now or in the future. Seems to roll between being a platform for the Club directors to Trust bashing to saying little about improving fans experience. Far too much washing dirty linen in public for my liking, unclear parameters and my perception is of being steered by the club.
Want credibility with the fans you apparently represent? then ask the hard questions of the club and get proper answers, interact with the fans in general not just CCFC, concentrate on the real issues cutting off the largest fans group isn't one of them.
It still comes back to I still have no idea what they have achieved.
Clearly have issues with the Trust, but aside from berating them in the last 3 sets of minutes there is no real effort to engage and actually clear the differences. It is a do as we say or leave attitude. Isn't there enough divisions between fans already? Have the Trust always got it right- no of course not. But as I asked earlier who, how and what do the SCG represent. The terms of reference give no real clear picture that is stuck to.
The hardest thing is to be questioned and to justify what your actions are. I just don't get the sense that such questions are well received. Better still question yourselves, be honest and look at ways to improve how the SCG communicates with all not just the club, I don't get that feel of introspection from what I read. It all reads more like a couple of dominant club and non club members dictating to the rest
I am sure they are all good honest loyal CCFC fans ...... doing the best they can in what is for everyone difficult circumstances. but the SCG comes across wrongly to me. Just an impression I get but it seems to be about a very small few that don't actually check in with the rest of us
I might have it all wrong, in which case I will hold my hands up to that....... but I do not feel the SCG represent me as a fan to CCFC at all. That should be a worry to them because I doubt I am the only one
Just my opinion but still not sure what the SCG role actually is (I know what the terms of reference say but....), and as for being leaders and unifying the fans I just do not see it, either now or in the future. Seems to roll between being a platform for the Club directors to Trust bashing to saying little about improving fans experience. Far too much washing dirty linen in public for my liking, unclear parameters and my perception is of being steered by the club.
Want credibility with the fans you apparently represent? then ask the hard questions of the club and get proper answers, interact with the fans in general not just CCFC, concentrate on the real issues cutting off the largest fans group isn't one of them.
It still comes back to I still have no idea what they have achieved.
Clearly have issues with the Trust, but aside from berating them in the last 3 sets of minutes there is no real effort to engage and actually clear the differences. It is a do as we say or leave attitude. Isn't there enough divisions between fans already? Have the Trust always got it right- no of course not. But as I asked earlier who, how and what do the SCG represent. The terms of reference give no real clear picture that is stuck to.
The hardest thing is to be questioned and to justify what your actions are. I just don't get the sense that such questions are well received. Better still question yourselves, be honest and look at ways to improve how the SCG communicates with all not just the club, I don't get that feel of introspection from what I read. It all reads more like a couple of dominant club and non club members dictating to the rest
I am sure they are all good honest loyal CCFC fans ...... doing the best they can in what is for everyone difficult circumstances. but the SCG comes across wrongly to me. Just an impression I get but it seems to be about a very small few that don't actually check in with the rest of us
I might have it all wrong, in which case I will hold my hands up to that....... but I do not feel the SCG represent me as a fan to CCFC at all. That should be a worry to them because I doubt I am the only one
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dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
Maybe that club is specifically for those lesbians & gays suffering from dyslexia?
FYI...LCGB is actually the Lambretta club of Great Britain.
The lambertta club would have been a more useful meeting
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The minutes say they will be kicked out unless they apologize publicly amongst other things, proposed by Peter Ward and unanimously agreed. I don't have anything polite to say about Jonathan strange or peter ward, you can see from previous minutes they are in with the Weber Shandwick is evil, it's all a conspiracy against sisu nonsense.
bradwellskyblues
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js = joy seppela or jon strange no difference
So did 2 members of the trust vote to kick out the trust unless the trust apologize, say how wonderful the scg is on the trust website and remove stuff about the stadium group? thats how the minutes read and it seems completely bizarre they would vote for that. Or did they not get a vote?
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Just a feeling I have nothing more but I expect the SCG and Stadium Forum to amalgamate as one in the not too distant future. It will exclude the Trust and further distance itself and the club from the City of Coventry....... most of the other members I would guess are southern based or at Sixfields.(that is not a comment on them going to Sixfields, it is entirely their choice and I would never say otherwise, simply that I think it would turn out to be true). No evidence of this just a feeling I get
The point I am making is increasingly what links CCFC to Coventry the City? From what I see now it is the lingering hopes of the fans, fans that live here, two badges on a stadium wall, and a short lease shop on a retail park
The point I am making is increasingly what links CCFC to Coventry the City? From what I see now it is the lingering hopes of the fans, fans that live here, two badges on a stadium wall, and a short lease shop on a retail park
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Brighton Sky Blue
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It is to all intents and purposes a Coventry club in name only. People critical of the regime are 'hostile' and are basically being asked to withdraw these views or no longer participate, with a very select group still happy to toe the line.
The Bunker mentality.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
He used to be chairman of the LSC for 10 years, and resigned when it took a policy of not arranging transport to the Northampton games and encouraged members not to go. He wanted to keep going to Northampton and not be 'stigmatised' for it.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Strange came across as quite staunch in his defence of Garlick which to me does add a bit of weight to OSB's suspicions. The LSC itself has had to explicitly state a neutral opinion on the club's owners to retain the audiences it gets with the 'higher up' officials. To me, it looks like they want to have token 'Yes men' supporters so they can technically say they have consulted the fans and gathered opinion and so on. Anybody calling this charade for what it is will clearly be unwelcome.
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
The council and ACL should allow a different local team play at the Ricoh each week until they sort out their long term plan. Would be great for the Coventry community to get such an experience
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Perhaps Leicester could buy it and rename it the 'Queen Power' stadium. How would they achieve this? Negotiating a price, what a bizarre concept.
lamtara2006
Member
I would welcome an official Trust statement on the key point in these Minutes, basically the ultimatum to 'toe the line or you're out'.
It appears to me that few if any of the other SCG members have much in the way of a 'constituency', certainly not the base of membership that the Trust can claim. Yet this is the body that CCFC management are taking as representative of the whole fan-base and trying to manipulate it to their will.
Perhaps the answer for those of us who feel that we are not being properly represented by these people - particularly if the Trust representatives are effectively neutralised by the Sisu lackies on the SCG - is to let them know in no uncertain terms that they are a waste of space. There are channels open to do this by email [email protected] and if mass written contact does not work then maybe turning up in numbers at a future meeting of the SCG might gain their attention. I stress that I would want this to be peaceable and responsible.
It appears to me that few if any of the other SCG members have much in the way of a 'constituency', certainly not the base of membership that the Trust can claim. Yet this is the body that CCFC management are taking as representative of the whole fan-base and trying to manipulate it to their will.
Perhaps the answer for those of us who feel that we are not being properly represented by these people - particularly if the Trust representatives are effectively neutralised by the Sisu lackies on the SCG - is to let them know in no uncertain terms that they are a waste of space. There are channels open to do this by email [email protected] and if mass written contact does not work then maybe turning up in numbers at a future meeting of the SCG might gain their attention. I stress that I would want this to be peaceable and responsible.
Matty_CCFC
New Member
SCG is a joke as I have said in past.
Who is Peter Ward and John Strange and who do they represent?
Who is Peter Ward and John Strange and who do they represent?
I read it like that as well. Did Moz and Jan really vote for that? The Trust represents more supporters than any of the other members of the SCG as far as I can tell and even if they get the details a bit wrong here and there should be respected by all the others. Who does Jonathon Strange represent exactly?
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
They seem to be suggesting in these minutes that anyone on the SCG now shouldn't be there in the capacity of representing any other group which seems a strange idea when surely you want as much input as possible into this kind of thing.
Phil Babbs Ballbag
New Member
Jon Strange is a self-aggrandizing tosspot.
duffer
Well-Known Member
Personally speaking, I think the Trust has represented my opinion far, far better than the SCG. Ward & Strange stood by when trust members and fellow fans were accused by the club of acting for Weber Shandwick. Where's the apology for that?
I'd flip the question around. Exactly how do the other members of the SCG presume to be representing the fans?
Has anyone here ever had contact with them - have they ever tried to poll supporters for opinions?
Frankly, I think they should be ashamed of themselves - they are taking the same approach to the Trust as the club, rather than address the issues in hand they are simply attacking the people involved.
I don't know if the SCG was always a sham, but it certainly seems like one now.
I'd flip the question around. Exactly how do the other members of the SCG presume to be representing the fans?
Has anyone here ever had contact with them - have they ever tried to poll supporters for opinions?
Frankly, I think they should be ashamed of themselves - they are taking the same approach to the Trust as the club, rather than address the issues in hand they are simply attacking the people involved.
I don't know if the SCG was always a sham, but it certainly seems like one now.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
They know that what they're doing is widely unpopular but as long as a few people seem to be onside then they don't care. Surround yourselves with a select few who agree with what you're doing as use them as justification to the vast majority who don't.
lamtara2006
Member
My email to Jonathan Strange, SCG Chairperson
Minutes of Your Meeting of 20th March
May I refer you to http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/43575-Supporters-consultative-group-minutes particularly from comment no 34 (page 4) onwards which refer to this last set of minutes and the discussions at your last meeting.
You will see clearly from this developing forum thread the views of Coventry City fans in regard to the current stance of the SCG, particularly in regard to the Sky Blues Trust and its representatives. You and a large number of your group are failing to represent Sky Blues Supporters generally and your allegiance with representatives of Sisu in denigrating the Trust is completely unacceptable. In fact, as things stand your committee is a total waste of space.
I suggest that you all resign en-masse and Coventry City supporters are given the opportunity to elect proper representatives, ensuring that the various key supporters interest groups are given the opportunity to put up candidates but more importantly guaranteeing that the voice of the majority is heard, not gagged by this distasteful alliance between unrepresentative, self-important people like yourself and the club owners.
You sir are complicit in the destruction of Coventry City Football Club and the sooner you disappear from the scene the better.
Yours
[Name Supplied]
Minutes of Your Meeting of 20th March
May I refer you to http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/43575-Supporters-consultative-group-minutes particularly from comment no 34 (page 4) onwards which refer to this last set of minutes and the discussions at your last meeting.
You will see clearly from this developing forum thread the views of Coventry City fans in regard to the current stance of the SCG, particularly in regard to the Sky Blues Trust and its representatives. You and a large number of your group are failing to represent Sky Blues Supporters generally and your allegiance with representatives of Sisu in denigrating the Trust is completely unacceptable. In fact, as things stand your committee is a total waste of space.
I suggest that you all resign en-masse and Coventry City supporters are given the opportunity to elect proper representatives, ensuring that the various key supporters interest groups are given the opportunity to put up candidates but more importantly guaranteeing that the voice of the majority is heard, not gagged by this distasteful alliance between unrepresentative, self-important people like yourself and the club owners.
You sir are complicit in the destruction of Coventry City Football Club and the sooner you disappear from the scene the better.
Yours
[Name Supplied]
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Jack Griffin
Guest
This apology stunt demand seems like it was planned as an ambush. I think the SBT should think about a response and strategy going forward, clearly the idea is that they are puppies with no dissenting views or they are out.
The meeting was a shameful attack on the only representative fans group in the SCG.
The meeting was a shameful attack on the only representative fans group in the SCG.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
To be fair the LSC does represent a good number of fans as well but yes, the SBT is the biggest at this moment in time.
