torchomatic
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Ah, this old chestnut. I'm sure that would be true no matter who owns us. If new owners came in tomorrow then I betcha CCFC wouldn't own it, they would. Fact!
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torchomatic
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Shit. I didn't realise we were ground sharing at Walsall. There's no "fact" in what John has said.
sky blue john
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Are you aware that Arvo Master Fund own Ryton training ground ?
covcity4life
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if it leads to city thriving in future? then i think we will all look on it differently one day.
what would you prefer? 5 more terrible seasons at ricoh then bust?
like i said its not ideal and i dont even have trust in sisu to make it work long time. i am just saying i can agree with what sisu are spouting publicallyat the moment, whether they are truthful or not is a different matter.
skybluetony176
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the fact that sisu havent laid out for the fans what the structure of ownership and also on what terms CCFC will be playing at the Ricoh should sisu gain controll sets alarm bells ringing in my head.
if we were going to like the set up surely they would have laid it out by now as they could do the best PR they have done since they have taken over in one statement. hell, they may even fill suxfields while trying to get this deal done for CCFC.
you can say the same for imagination land should they ever get serious about building it.
skybluetony176
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you may well be right. very few people get into football ownership at professional level these days for the love of the club. thats why i like the german model and i dont mean Claudia Schiffer either (although i do rate her)
sky blue john
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So you believe in Sisu's conspiracy theory ? The one that a judge has just ridiculed and thrown out of court ?
lewys33
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Posted this a while ago but it is always quite fitting
It's just a shame we're not 'Head and Shoulders'* above the rest!!! LOLTASTIC!!!
(*Head and Shoulders is an anti-dandruff shampoo.)
lewys33
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brian please dont ever leave this forum!!!
Sky Blue Kid
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@ Torchy..My post was in reply to this one from Sky Blue John........Fuck all there about Walsall. Want to borrow my glasses?
covcity4life
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shmmeee
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shmmeee
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WOAH! When did you learn how to use the quote button? The world is upside down!
skybluetony176
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could i trouble you to comment on post 110 that i made. i would genuinely like to hear your opinion on the point i've made.
covcity4life
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good idea. i should be in charge though as i have no leanings towards council or sisu.
lewys33
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hahahahahahahahahaha
covcity4life
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as i said before i agree it wont be a perfect scenario. but it might be the best ccfc can get out of this whole sorry debacle.
skybluetony176
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also might not. does it not concern/worry you in the slightest that we dont have the slightest idea on what any arrangements between the club and its owners will be should they gain control of the ricoh? especially when it would be such a simple thing to do. especially when a good arrangement would not only win them support from the clubs fan base but also turn the clubs fan base on the very people they claim are damaging the club, both of which they have failed to manage.
it seems such an easy statement to make what other conclusion can you come too other than we are not going to like the arrangements? out of the frying pan and into the fire.
covcity4life
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of course it concerns me
but we already know that a deal with the council kills the club.
so is it not worth trying something else? what do we have to lose? ccfc will die if we continue to let council feast on it.
but we already know that a deal with the council kills the club.
so is it not worth trying something else? what do we have to lose? ccfc will die if we continue to let council feast on it.
shmmeee
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We know that Sisu have decided recently that the council deal kills the club, but they were happy to defend it as recently as 2011, and the debts total far more than the rent paid.
Lack of income and no control on wages are to blame, and what worries me is Sisu who have overspent on wages and failed miserably to engage the fanbase will keep running the club into the ground.
I'm less concerned about the rent than the overall strategy to be honest.
skybluetony176
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but you're quite happy for sisu to feast on it? this on top off the management fee's and interest payments to arvo?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
me too
covcity4life
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only carcass left after that rent deal we had. 1.4m yikes.
i am talking about sisu trying to drive long term change in terms of how city make money, something needs to be done.
i dont side either either side tony.
Sky Blue Kid
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To use the "Quote button" I have to go to the post I want to reply to..."Log out"..."Log back in again" for it to work. A pain in the arse but it works..No Emoticons though.
torchomatic
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Apologies, it must have been the line "Walsall’s Banks’s Stadium is the most likely temporary home for the Sky Blues but that move and the relocation to the planned new stadium need League approval." that confused me.
skybluetony176
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crikey. i never realised that the rent made up all the operating cost. there was me thinking it was a percentage and not even the biggest percentage.
like i said. how easy would it be to inform your customers what the arrangements will be. the fact that they havent should sound alarm bells, its the easiest pr ever. a bit like the co-op group not wanting to announce end of year results.
covcity4life
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i have agreed with you many times that it is worrying and indicative of a bad set up for the fans.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
What worries me about all of this isn't so much Sisu winning what they want per se, but whether they can fix the damage they've done to fan relations.
They literally couldn't have handled that side worse in all this. We should all be like CC4L shouting at anyone who stands in the way of our great club, but they managed to fuck it up so badly through refusal to talk to anyone, attacking people who questioned them, etc. that I'm not sure they know how to build the fanbase back up, whether at the Ricoh, Sixfields or the Stadium of Joy.
thelookout
New Member
Yes you do, you constantly slag the council off. Hardly being impartial is it?
You say there's only a carcass of the club left after the council have been feeding off it?
Sisu have racked up debts of 45 million and rising. Six years of rent at 1.3 million equals 7.8 million.
Can you explain where the other 37.2 million has gone?
covcity4life
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i would imagine if we get back home people will remember CCFC and forget SISU hopefully. if they stump up cash for players that is. have backed recent managers, lets hope that continues.
mark82
Super Moderator
Hi Michael.
1. Most fans want us back at the Ricoh asap - obviously yes.
2. Comments from players like Wilson make it clear they want to be back at the Ricoh too - you would hope so. Who wants to play in front of non league size crowds?
3. The last offer made by ACL was shown by Clive Eakin to be financially beneficial to the club compared with being at NTFC - I live in Yorkshire so don't often get to listen to CWR these days, however, anyone with an ounce of common sense could see it would be better financially to be at the Ricoh on any deal (assuming we maintain same crowds as before we moved out).
4. It would be good for fans, players and club finances to return to the ricoh even on a short-term rental deal - that's an obvious yes.
5. The sides could then take as long as needed for a long-term agreement without the damage being done by being at NTFC - within reason, yes.
6. The process is therefore for sisu to say we will return on the basis of the last ACL offer - if only they would. Can't see it though.
7. If ACL then renege on that deal all fire is aimed at them - not necessarily. Would need to understand the reasoning.
No-one really disagrees with you on what should happen Michael. This is what you don't seem to understand. No-one is pro sisu or anti ACL. What I believe is that pressure needs to be applied to both sides. Both need to be more flexible and communicate better. The problem is that both sides are stubborn and it seems to be personal. To be honest I think sisu have always been delaying until the JR has been heard.
1. Most fans want us back at the Ricoh asap - obviously yes.
2. Comments from players like Wilson make it clear they want to be back at the Ricoh too - you would hope so. Who wants to play in front of non league size crowds?
3. The last offer made by ACL was shown by Clive Eakin to be financially beneficial to the club compared with being at NTFC - I live in Yorkshire so don't often get to listen to CWR these days, however, anyone with an ounce of common sense could see it would be better financially to be at the Ricoh on any deal (assuming we maintain same crowds as before we moved out).
4. It would be good for fans, players and club finances to return to the ricoh even on a short-term rental deal - that's an obvious yes.
5. The sides could then take as long as needed for a long-term agreement without the damage being done by being at NTFC - within reason, yes.
6. The process is therefore for sisu to say we will return on the basis of the last ACL offer - if only they would. Can't see it though.
7. If ACL then renege on that deal all fire is aimed at them - not necessarily. Would need to understand the reasoning.
No-one really disagrees with you on what should happen Michael. This is what you don't seem to understand. No-one is pro sisu or anti ACL. What I believe is that pressure needs to be applied to both sides. Both need to be more flexible and communicate better. The problem is that both sides are stubborn and it seems to be personal. To be honest I think sisu have always been delaying until the JR has been heard.
thelookout
New Member
Getting other club's cast offs in on loan is hardly backing managers.
Where's the other 37.2 million gone?
covcity4life
Well-Known Member
go away WUM, let the adults talk.
thelookout
New Member
Where's the 37.2 million gone? ?
Have the council had it?
Maybe lucas has spent it on cigarettes?
I'd like the resident troll to answer or can't you?
Go on be honest,you can't can you.
Have the council had it?
Maybe lucas has spent it on cigarettes?
I'd like the resident troll to answer or can't you?
Go on be honest,you can't can you.