Marilyn Knatchbull Hugessen answers questions (8 Viewers)

lewys33

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Sad really .......... Why has it been taken this far? Certainly doesn't show the club owners in a good light though does it?
 

covcity4life

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she does a fair bit of spin for someone who dislikes it eh?

sisu did not pay the 29k because ACL and council worked with each other behind the scenes to screw ccfc over, sisu made them pay for that and rightfully so.

her husband did orcherstrate sisu out, in the most embarassing manner.

and now making threats that acl and ricoh will move on? she dont fcuk about ccfc any more than sisu do.

the fans are truly fucked in this one :( we might never come back.
 

lewys33

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she does a fair bit of spin for someone who dislikes it eh?

sisu did not pay the 29k because ACL and council worked with each other behind the scenes to screw ccfc over, sisu made them pay for that and rightfully so.

her husband did orcherstrate sisu out, in the most embarassing manner.

and now making threats that acl and ricoh will move on? she dont fcuk about ccfc any more than sisu do.

the fans are truly fucked in this one :( we might never come back.

Bless your heart. Trolling at its ....... finest??
 

skybluesam66

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its all spin though - if they got a good offer for ccfc to return, they would bite their hands off
Of course they have moved on - and taken other bookings - they would not be able to cancel the National Streaker competition
 
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Jack Griffin

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A very well reasoned argument stating the charities aims that also lays bare the detrimental effect that SISU's actions have had on a local charity.
 

lordsummerisle

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It wasn't, it was covered comprehensively ..

Yes, very... The little bit in bold at the end actually mentions they lost..

As a publicly accountable body the trustees always act under professional advice.

In 2012 in evaluating Sisu’s offer of £5.5m for our shares and negotiating with it on terms of a sale the charity would inevitably incur professional charges which would need to be paid out of charitable funds.
These would be wasted if the transaction came to nothing. So there was a signed agreement that if the sale/purchase didn’t happen for certain reasons outside the trustees’ control, Sisu would pay those costs to a maximum of £29,000.
Joy Seppala was also at pains to promise personally during negotiations, to both another trustee and my husband as clerk to the trustees, that she would not “do down a charity” as she put it, if the negotiations led to nothing. When that in fact happened, Sisu declined to pay the charity their wasted costs.
Our professional advice was that the debt was recoverable and as trustees we should pursue it. We wrote to Sisu but they made no reply to our letters. It was open to Sisu to pay up or to argue the claim if they didn’t think it was just. They could also have negotiated a compromise.
In fact just after the expiry of the court time limit for lodging a defence, they did so. Then many months later, in January this year, they issued a counterclaim against us for almost exactly ten times the amount of our claim. From that moment we were not free to withdraw from litigation unless we agreed to pay Sisu’s legal costs of the action and at least their £290,000.
Our claim had been issued in the County Court, but the size of this counterclaim meant that it was transferred to the High Court which enormously increased our legal costs. The trustees tried to settle matters out of court both at an early stage and in the period before the trial took place, including a proposal for mediation, but Sisu made no serious attempt to achieve a resolution and so avoid a trial.
As everyone now knows, in the event the Judge threw out Sisu’s counterclaim for £290,000 as being “hopeless” on the first day of the trial.
He said that Sisu’s argument against us was: “as plain a case as there could be of an attempt to rewrite the parties’ bargain”.
He added: “It is clear from the express terms of the contract that the only party which was given a right to recover wasted costs in certain circumstances was the Charity”.
“In short , the attempt to imply out of Sisu’s promise to reimburse the Charity’s costs to a maximum of £29,000 in certain circumstances an unstated promise by the Charity to reimburse Sisu’s costs with no limit in amount in certain circumstances seems to me to be hopeless”.
This judgment also effectively dismissed Sisu Capital’s application to bring into this case those other Sisu companies that were not part of this claim but are, unlike Sisu Capital, involved in the Judicial Review.
Serious allegations were made by Sisu both in their skeleton argument and in their witness statements: were they fair?
They were indeed very serious allegations about the trustees’ behaviour and their “secret and perverse plan”. The Judge, in his judgment, very clearly and explicitly rejected them.
He said: “It follows that the criticisms made of the Trustees by Sisu as to the propriety of their conduct in December and January and the arguments made about them undermining the bargain by their actions at that time are misplaced, and it is unfortunate that allegations were made in some of the pejorative terms which have been used by Sisu in these proceedings. There was no warrant for those allegations”.
Regrettably, Sisu’s skeleton argument, setting out those allegations, was publicly distributed shortly after the case ended and when the High Court Judge had already rejected them. I think that should answer your question.

Who won the Court case?
The Judge described it as a “nil-all draw”, which is why he said he would have made a court order that we each bear our own costs had we not already agreed to do so.
So perhaps Mark Labovitch of Otium and Sky Blue Sports and Leisure didn’t know this when he told the Coventry Telegraph: “I think it’s extremely magnanimous of Joy (Seppala, Sisu’s boss) not to pursue costs from the charity”.
It could fairly be said that the case should never have come to court at all – and certainly not to the High Court. In the event Sisu chose to be represented by up to seven lawyers, (one an eminent London QC who will be appearing in the Judicial Review), for three days in order to avoid paying £29,000 to a charity.
From the charity’s point of view it was of great value that the slurs and allegations made against the trustees were thrown out and the huge counterclaim attack on our funds was dismissed so emphatically – but we should not have had to spend charitable resources defending a hopeless counterclaim and such baseless charges.
We were disappointed that our original claim for wasted professional costs was not successful but we understand the Judge’s reasoning behind his decision.
 

fernandopartridge

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She laid out the reasons for making the claim, and accepted the judge's decision - in what way was it 'brushed over'?

It was secondary to the criticism of the counter claim and the fact SISU had a large legal team.

In fairness it did confirm that the fact it got to the high Court was because that's what SISU wanted rather than what the Higgs Trust wanted.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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A very clear and transparent interview which is appreciated by all. I can't wait to see what transpires come the JR.
 

italiahorse

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It was secondary to the criticism of the counter claim and the fact SISU had a large legal team.

In fairness it did confirm that the fact it got to the high Court was because that's what SISU wanted rather than what the Higgs Trust wanted.

It's just another tool that these 'stressing' companies use.
I had a claim against a travel company that my legal insurance company said was a clear win as we had all the evidence against them.
The Travel Company lodged a bond with the court of £1M against the costs which the Insurance Company could not match and so they pulled out.
 

ccfcway

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"Turnover is now at around £14m and growing"

Does anyone have an idea what it would have been with a fully paid up renting football club ?. Be interesting to see what they have lost.

OSB ?
 

Ian1779

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The counter claim was a fucking nonsense, but 29K for 'evaluating SISU's offer of £5.5m for our shares' seems a bit ridiculous - you either want to sell or not before you start spending almost 30K on legal fees.
 

italiahorse

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its all spin though - if they got a good offer for ccfc to return, they would bite their hands off
Of course they have moved on - and taken other bookings - they would not be able to cancel the National Streaker competition

It will always be open to CCFC return unless the unlikely event of another team comes in. Even then 2 teams are possible.
ACL will take on more and more small events that may take up some of the larger corporate areas used on match days.
The hotel may take more bookings which use bedrooms converted for corporate bookings.
 

lordsummerisle

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"Turnover is now at around £14m and growing"

Does anyone have an idea what it would have been with a fully paid up renting football club ?. Be interesting to see what they have lost.

OSB ?

Bit disingenuous that, as was the Olympics year , didn't mention that though doubled turnover, profits were down.
 

skybluetony176

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It was secondary to the criticism of the counter claim and the fact SISU had a large legal team.

In fairness it did confirm that the fact it got to the high Court was because that's what SISU wanted rather than what the Higgs Trust wanted.

They were talking about the multi million dollars case in Germany concerning Bernie Eccleston on the radio this morning. His legal team consists of two. Using this as an example can you explain why sisu needed seven for a £290, 000 counter claim?
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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The counter claim was a fucking nonsense, but 29K for 'evaluating SISU's offer of £5.5m for our shares' seems a bit ridiculous - you either want to sell or not before you start spending almost 30K on legal fees.

It's pretty clear that they did want to sell, but were concerned that SISU might pull out and leave them with "dead" costs.
 

lordsummerisle

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They were talking about the multi million dollars case in Germany concerning Bernie Eccleston on the radio this morning. His legal team consists of two. Using this as an example can you explain why sisu needed seven for a £290, 000 counter claim?

Suppose on that basis that Higgs would have only needed about 25% of a lawyer for their £29,000 claim then.
 

ccfcway

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Bit disingenuous that, as was the Olympics year , didn't mention that though doubled turnover, profits were down.

the "and rising" bit is interesting. As you say, that was Olympic year, so how on earth will this year be more than £14 million
 

Ian1779

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It's pretty clear that they did want to sell, but were concerned that SISU might pull out and leave them with "dead" costs.

I agree - just can't imagine what could have surmounted to 30K. Surely a charity would be a bit more prudent in its outgoings.

Equally SISU saying costs of 290K is a fucking joke.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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@ summerisle.....Who won the Court case? The Judge described it as a “nil-all draw”, which is why he said he would have made a court order that we each bear our own costs had we not already agreed to do so. So perhaps Mark Labovitch of Otium and Sky Blue Sports and Leisure didn’t know this when he told the Coventry Telegraph: “I think it’s extremely magnanimous of Joy (Seppala, Sisu’s boss) not to pursue costs from the charity”. Of course the Charity lost in a well faught NIL-NIL DRAW!........Anything else you would like to cherry pick in your favour?
 

lordsummerisle

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the "and rising" bit is interesting. As you say, that was Olympic year, so how on earth will this year be more than £14 million

It won't be, unless there is more money in streaking and spiders than I previously thought.

No concerts this year are there? Though they might not be that profitable per se, they would add a fair bit to turnover i'd have thought.
 

italiahorse

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the "and rising" bit is interesting. As you say, that was Olympic year, so how on earth will this year be more than £14 million

Whats your point ? I fail to see what you want from this conversation.

Do you want to see ACL fail ? Do you want SISU to be given the stadium ?

Not getting on at you but whats your ideal scenario?
 

Sky Blue Kid

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@ summerisle.....Who won the Court case? The Judge described it as a “nil-all draw”, which is why he said he would have made a court order that we each bear our own costs had we not already agreed to do so. So perhaps Mark Labovitch of Otium and Sky Blue Sports and Leisure didn’t know this when he told the Coventry Telegraph: “I think it’s extremely magnanimous of Joy (Seppala, Sisu’s boss) not to pursue costs from the charity”. Of course the Charity lost in a well faught NIL-NIL DRAW!........Anything else you would like to cherry pick in your favour?
 

italiahorse

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It won't be, unless there is more money in streaking and spiders than I previously thought.

No concerts this year are there? Though they might not be that profitable per se, they would add a fair bit to turnover i'd have thought.

Same again .... what's your ideal outcome at the Ricoh ?
 

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