dongonzalos
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The same happened in the other case with the judge continuously dragging SISU back in line only to call it a draw.
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The same happened in the other case with the judge continuously dragging SISU back in line only to call it a draw.
If someone could now clean the thread up and remove everything irrelevant to the case ...
Would make it a 3 or 4 page thread - easy to read and worth going back to for references in the future.
spider_ricoh
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yes!!!!!
spider_ricoh
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Yes, fingers, knees, toes and everything else crossed, touch wood!!
SimonGilbert
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It really isn't.
Anybody who focusses on one event as game changer is wrong. It's the Great Man version of history.
An event can be a catalyst, or a cog... but it is not the be-all and end all.
And yes, the number of threads deciding the JR will mean after it concludes that either straight away:
CCC will sell to SISU, we'll move back, it'll be sweetness and light or;
SISU will run for the hills, offer a fabulous deal to a wonderul benefactor who will move us back to the RIcoh and all will be sweetness and light.
Says many do see it in isolation as the event.
A comment about the probablility of winning the case, incidentally, doesn't mean the case itself will change everything in isolation. It's people reading that into it that does so.
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Astute
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I noticed you missed the rest of my post out and then used your own words to make it look like I said something else.
You said 'tbf, it's only fans who have been building this up to the big event.'
I replied with 'Sorry to say but this is poor reasoning from a normally good poster.
You say it is us fans that have built this up. So it is nothing to do with Labo and Timothy and the comments they have made? It was them that built it up so much. One of them made out that they were 90% sure of winning once, but couldn't ever be 100% sure on a court case. Many of us have been waiting for something big...if not all of us.....after the comments they have been making. This is what got it all built up to the big event.
Most of us are not expecting something to happen quickly. We have a minimum 2 years left of an agreement to play in Northampton. A minimum 2 years more of trying to send ACL to the wall :facepalm:'
The lost fan
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Well I hope Sisu lose and the League press ahead with the sanctions , they laid down ! If They do lose they have some hefty payouts to make aswell !!
hill83
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What about now?
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Fans HAVE been building it up.
This sodding forum is full of the evidence, man!
This sodding forum is full of the evidence, man!
What if SISU feck off and pull the plug on the club and leave us high and dry? Strong possibilty in my opinion
thegameaintstraight
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How do you know what the Council will do? Never say never.
Grendel
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Tomorrow apparantly when the council smash sisu and force them to come crawling back.
Hope I get my seat back.
Astute
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Are you implying that it had nothing to do with what Labovitch and Timothy were saying all the time?
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You mean the bit where FIsher said the JR wasn't actually relevant to us coming back?
Or the bit where there was a long term plan regardless?
I'm implying exactly what I said, the evidence is in front of your nose!
Danceswithhorses
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Astute
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We all know that won't happen. What Joy wants is the freehold handed over. It would be state funding if that happens. And we all know that Joy is against state funding.
Astute
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And you can't remember anything that they said before that?
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I am presenting the other bits that you choose to ignore...
Because you want to take the bits that suitan argument that the JR is built up, thus proving my point!
Astute
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So you say that we have been going on about the JR for ages but come out with the most recent comments from them and ignore the ones we have been debating for ages.
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TheOldFive
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So, in less than 24 hours the Judicial Review will be complete; we shall have a judge's summing up, and as likely as a directive on any remedy or costs, an Appeal lodged or being considered by one party or another.
I don't think anything changes materially as a result of any of this.
But, I do wonder whether over the next 24 hours the penny might drop with some of the Sisu protagonists. Is there any chance that the Judge might find the words to resonate with Joy to make her realise that cutting her losses now in the face of overwhelming Council and Supporter antipathy is the only sensible least cost option? The empty seats at Northampton, the protest marches, the huge majority opinion against her folly hasn't convinced her yet, might this be the best last chance for her to realise that the game's up?
Sitting there for three days confronting the reality that when presented out in the open her case is as empty as the Sixfields terraces might just make her realise the truth that her current course of action provides no good end for anyone.
I'm particularly interested too in how this will be interpreted by the Football League. If the outcome suggests that the Sisu case has been spurious and the whole sorry dispute has been a pantomime then will the FL reconsider their allocation of The Golden Share? Might a penny drop there too?
I don't think anything changes materially as a result of any of this.
But, I do wonder whether over the next 24 hours the penny might drop with some of the Sisu protagonists. Is there any chance that the Judge might find the words to resonate with Joy to make her realise that cutting her losses now in the face of overwhelming Council and Supporter antipathy is the only sensible least cost option? The empty seats at Northampton, the protest marches, the huge majority opinion against her folly hasn't convinced her yet, might this be the best last chance for her to realise that the game's up?
Sitting there for three days confronting the reality that when presented out in the open her case is as empty as the Sixfields terraces might just make her realise the truth that her current course of action provides no good end for anyone.
I'm particularly interested too in how this will be interpreted by the Football League. If the outcome suggests that the Sisu case has been spurious and the whole sorry dispute has been a pantomime then will the FL reconsider their allocation of The Golden Share? Might a penny drop there too?
Astute
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Considering they have made lots and lots of comments it would have been hard to mention even a tenth of them. And most were on the lines that I mentioned and not that the JR is more or less useless for us.
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I don't understand why she would think that, it is pretty obvious that the papers would want to get a decent picture of her, especially as no one had got one of here before.
I reckon it is a (minor) journalistic coup for the telegraph. At the end of the day she is clearly a person of public interest.
It seems to me like the weirdness occurred when she tried to hide behind a magazine & an umbrella, if she'd had let the photographer get a piccy then she could have gone on her way.. and also a posed picture would have presented her in a more normal manner, now what she has is an image of someone who wants to hide.
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Which is kind of my point...
hill83
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Yep. I just had an "All the meat please" kebab with salad and Jamaican Scotch Bonnet hot sauce.
Astute
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And is fully my point.
You said it was us that had built the JR up. I said who could blame us with all the comments that Labovitch and Timothy had been making.
ccfcway
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might be completed wrong, but the only bit i could see so far that has a major relevance to this case is...........
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- SISU QC said that EU state law says state aid can only be granted when an independent valuation is made and when the EU is informed of any state aid action. SISU QC says these steps weren’t followed. Judge says that the points the SISU QC has raised ‘aren’t controversial.’
- SISU QC referred to case law in EU state aid pointing to examples from Copenhagen, Denmark and Uppsala, Sweden, where EU state aid was rejected at local levels under competition laws. The fact that the stadiums attracted an international audience was sufficient to bring them in breach of European state aid rules.
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- SISU QC said that EU state law says state aid can only be granted when an independent valuation is made and when the EU is informed of any state aid action. SISU QC says these steps weren’t followed. Judge says that the points the SISU QC has raised ‘aren’t controversial.’
- SISU QC referred to case law in EU state aid pointing to examples from Copenhagen, Denmark and Uppsala, Sweden, where EU state aid was rejected at local levels under competition laws. The fact that the stadiums attracted an international audience was sufficient to bring them in breach of European state aid rules.
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Jack Griffin
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Yes if they acted as partners in a symbiotic relationship they could build each other up, but it has become a zero sum game & one side or the other will end up with nothing and the other side will get the lot.
olderskyblue
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It seems to me that there were a few who were building this up as if they had some "inside knowledge" and then the expectation begins. Whoever fed them this "inside knowledge" has made them look pretty stupid so far. Didn't one poster even claim he had seen written evidence? All of this was supported by comments from ML suggesting the same wasn't it? (until more recently)
Anyway, when people start throwing those things around, it's not surprising that others on the forum build it up to be more than it seems to be. have to say though, I don't think most saw the JR as a game changer, especially as most saw it as round 1 in a series of further appeals.
shmmeee
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stupot07
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Would you sooner ignore and forget it?
stupot07
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Not wishing to shirk responsibility but Keith writes those
Also "learnt" probably isn't quite right. It's more a highlights thing.
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Appreciate your response Simon, thanks
shmmeee
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Gotta agree with NW, this as a "big event" is mostly our doing. It's always been played down by Sisu.
However, the idea that info would come out has (IMO) been played up by ML and (to a lesser extent) Fisher over the months. Not to mention posters on here who are close to them/have met them.
Hence the question really. Only mild snarkiness, I genuinely want to know if people were told stuff that didn't come to pass, or if something came out that was what convinced them.
However, the idea that info would come out has (IMO) been played up by ML and (to a lesser extent) Fisher over the months. Not to mention posters on here who are close to them/have met them.
Hence the question really. Only mild snarkiness, I genuinely want to know if people were told stuff that didn't come to pass, or if something came out that was what convinced them.