But SISU have no other bargaining chips left (baring a very hopeful JR appeal). They won't pay a single bean more than they have to so will take a very aggressive negotiating stance. What it needs is someone to conduct a 'what if' meeting with ACL to take back to the dragons den of SISU. Now where's Waggot and the dean of Coventry......
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But SISU have no other bargaining chips left (baring a very hopeful JR appeal). They won't pay a single bean more than they have to so will take a very aggressive negotiating stance. What it needs is someone to conduct a 'what if' meeting with ACL to take back to the dragons den of SISU. Now where's Waggot and the dean of Coventry......
Otis
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What if Waggott was the dean of Coventry?
italiahorse
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So, when CCFC move to Brandon is it OK for ACL to move in Wasps at that point ?
Otis
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Well, I would say if CCFC are insistent that they are moving out of the Ricoh and confirm it officially they have a new location, then ACL are free to have in anyone they want move to the Ricoh.
italiahorse
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The ideal deal for everyone is IMHO
CCFC buy into 50% of ACL and have the majority of the incremental incomes for all CCFC football matches.
WASPS buy into the other 50% of ACL allowing them to have the 15,000 plus stadium required for European matches and the majority of incremental incomes from these matches.
They are restricted to these big matches only in the agreement, playing their league matches at Wycombe. Hence satisfying the majority of their fans.
Both have equal access to the other income streams, via ACL, namely concerts, hotel, casino, stadium sponsorship etc
Perhaps some overlap of players etc using Coventry RFC as a feeder club, but I'm not sure how all these Rugby academy's work with there far reaching feeds.
CCFC buy into 50% of ACL and have the majority of the incremental incomes for all CCFC football matches.
WASPS buy into the other 50% of ACL allowing them to have the 15,000 plus stadium required for European matches and the majority of incremental incomes from these matches.
They are restricted to these big matches only in the agreement, playing their league matches at Wycombe. Hence satisfying the majority of their fans.
Both have equal access to the other income streams, via ACL, namely concerts, hotel, casino, stadium sponsorship etc
Perhaps some overlap of players etc using Coventry RFC as a feeder club, but I'm not sure how all these Rugby academy's work with there far reaching feeds.
oldskyblue58
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not much of a bargaining chip if ACL are prepared to bring in other options is it. I would think that while the negotiations with Waggott were going on that the talks with Wasps were also progressing. Who was it that pressed for a short term deal? That would be an interesting question to get an answer to.
If the CCFC/SISU idea was to get a short term deal and to somehow use that as leverage to gain ownership because CCFC were indispensable to ACL then you would have to say it has back fired.
Grendel
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Well anyone supporting a move of a London based club to Coventry would certainly have no issue with CCFC playing games outside the Coventry boundary.
italiahorse
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Answer the question not confuse it !!
Grendel
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You are either against the principal of sports franchising or you are not. If you are then you disagree with the suggested move as you disagree with that principal.
It may be better for ACL. It was better for winkleman to hot foot up to Milton Keynes - it's still didn't make it right.
Rusty Trombone
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Would it stop you from attending?
torchomatic
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That's up to ACL, isn't it? If they are happy to be involved in moving a team 75 miles from it's current location then so be it. A little hypocritical considering they tried to sue Northampton Town. Maybe Wycombe will return the favour?
stupot07
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Why would we want an ideal deal for LONDON Wasps in COVENTRY? We know that in order to become a top championship side and get into the PL we ideally need access to 100% of revenue to maximise revenue back into the team (whoever is owner).
You're the one who believes we're a premier league club, and anything less is a disgrace.
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RoboCCFC90
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This thread can be answered by a couple of simple questions:
Is it right that Wasps are considering Coventry as a new home? - No, no matter what the reasoning it's not correct, of course there are many fans at Wasps who will understand such a move because it's the only available option, that said some fans believed that moving to Sixfields was the only available option, it's all based on opinions, in this instance I think it's wrong to move Wasps to Coventry.
Will a possible move to the Ricoh for Wasps affect Coventry City FC or Coventry RFC? - More so Coventry RFC but a Ricoh move for Wasps would definitely affect both Clubs and I would understand both Clubs being objective to it.
Do Wasps have any other choice? - I personally don't think they do, they can't move anywhere else, the only other venue suitable would be Stadium MK, however with rumours that Tottenham are looking at Stadium MK as a Groundsharing option while their new Ground is built, Wasps won't play home matches at a ground that holds 3 teams. With that said I don't think it makes the situation right however it's likely to be that Wasps have no other alternative.
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Is it right that Wasps are considering Coventry as a new home? - No, no matter what the reasoning it's not correct, of course there are many fans at Wasps who will understand such a move because it's the only available option, that said some fans believed that moving to Sixfields was the only available option, it's all based on opinions, in this instance I think it's wrong to move Wasps to Coventry.
Will a possible move to the Ricoh for Wasps affect Coventry City FC or Coventry RFC? - More so Coventry RFC but a Ricoh move for Wasps would definitely affect both Clubs and I would understand both Clubs being objective to it.
Do Wasps have any other choice? - I personally don't think they do, they can't move anywhere else, the only other venue suitable would be Stadium MK, however with rumours that Tottenham are looking at Stadium MK as a Groundsharing option while their new Ground is built, Wasps won't play home matches at a ground that holds 3 teams. With that said I don't think it makes the situation right however it's likely to be that Wasps have no other alternative.
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I've always thought that waggots goatie looks like boot polish..
Otis
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A great post to end this thread.
Why would we want an ideal deal for LONDON Wasps in COVENTRY? We know that in order to become a top championship side and get into the PL we ideally need access to 100% of revenue to maximise revenue back into the team (whoever is owner).
You're the one who believes we're a premier league club, and anything less is a disgrace.
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Beggar's can't be choosers. Our deal at the moment is temporary - max. 4years. No security of tenure beyond that. The official position is that we are building a smaller stadium than the Ricoh in a small town or village somewhere near to Coventry. We are never going to get out of League 1 or 2 under those circumstances ( except a fluke as with the much quoted low budget promotion of Yeovil - now all gone quiet over there ). If, because of extra revenue through Wasps or anyone else, we were able to get any share of anything, then we would be in a better position than now. So, I hope that our owners start serious talks regarding getting a stake in the Ricoh before someone else does. Drop the JR, drop the P.i.T.S. stadium plan and let's move on.
duffer
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Hi Rob, I'm not sure where you've got the idea that Wasps don't have an alternative. As far as I understand it they're not being kicked out of Wycombe, but their owners would like to move them elsewhere. For the average league crowd that they get, circa 7,000, Wycombe's plenty big enough for them.
Apparently the RFU have insisted on stadia larger than 15,000 for European games, but as we've seen there's nothing stopping them renting a stadium for those purposes.
This isn't, at least from anything that I've read, a move that's being forced upon Wasps.
Grendel
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I've looked and I can't find anything that suggests they have to leave Wycombe - that just seems a myth unless someone has a link.
RoboCCFC90
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I'll be honest Duffer I don't have a great knowledge on this situation, if there is a link suggesting that Wasps are not bring forced out, I'd like to see it if you can put it up?
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Grendel
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Its more likely there is a link saying they are being forced out and I can't find one.
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As much as anything I think it is because Adams Park has poor road infrastructure.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?clie...=X&ei=z3shVKXLHYTC7gb05YCADA&ved=0CKMBEPwSMBA
torchomatic
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It's a nightmare getting out of Car Park C, maybe we should move CCFC to London where the access is good?
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stupot07
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The new ground is never going to happen.
Also sharing the ground with Wasps will mean sharing our half the income too, so all the Pitchside advertising, etc would have to be slip 50:50. I can't see a scenario where this is beneficial for us in the slightest.
Wasps get about 6-7k attendances playing nearer their fan base, those attendance will drop significantly to 1.5-2k if they moved here, that won't be bringing in much revenue.
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BackRoomRummermill
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The whole thing is a smoke screen , it is believed by people living cloud cuckoo land
Otis
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What about the people outraged by the story, even though it is just one story on the internet?
Otis
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Email receive from the SBT.
The Wasps, the Ricoh and the Sky Blues
'The recent story in the Coventry Telegraph about Wasps rugby club taking a majority stake in ACL, the Ricoh Arena operating company, raises some major concerns among Coventry City supporters.
The Sky Blue Trust has stated that it believes that for the good of the football club its long term future lies at the Ricoh Arena, either as tenants or owners, with access to all relevant income streams and, on the face of it, this news makes that future uncertain.
We are in contact with all the relevant parties, Coventry City Council, ACL, Higgs Charity and CCFC to establish the facts and the potential implications on the future of Coventry City. Once we have obtained these, we will be in a position to advise our members and make a decision on what stance and, if necessary, what actions the Sky Blue Trust should take. Until we have a clearer picture of exactly what the situation is, it would be unwise to base any policy or actions on a solitary newspaper report.'
Don't always agree with everything the Trust say, but this is totally spot on.
We are in contact with all the relevant parties, Coventry City Council, ACL, Higgs Charity and CCFC to establish the facts.
Once we have obtained these, we will be in a position to advise our members and make a decision on what stance and, if necessary, what actions the Sky Blue Trust should take.
Until we have a clearer picture of exactly what the situation is, it would be unwise to base any policy or actions on a solitary newspaper report.
Absolutely.
The Wasps, the Ricoh and the Sky Blues
'The recent story in the Coventry Telegraph about Wasps rugby club taking a majority stake in ACL, the Ricoh Arena operating company, raises some major concerns among Coventry City supporters.
The Sky Blue Trust has stated that it believes that for the good of the football club its long term future lies at the Ricoh Arena, either as tenants or owners, with access to all relevant income streams and, on the face of it, this news makes that future uncertain.
We are in contact with all the relevant parties, Coventry City Council, ACL, Higgs Charity and CCFC to establish the facts and the potential implications on the future of Coventry City. Once we have obtained these, we will be in a position to advise our members and make a decision on what stance and, if necessary, what actions the Sky Blue Trust should take. Until we have a clearer picture of exactly what the situation is, it would be unwise to base any policy or actions on a solitary newspaper report.'
Don't always agree with everything the Trust say, but this is totally spot on.
We are in contact with all the relevant parties, Coventry City Council, ACL, Higgs Charity and CCFC to establish the facts.
Once we have obtained these, we will be in a position to advise our members and make a decision on what stance and, if necessary, what actions the Sky Blue Trust should take.
Until we have a clearer picture of exactly what the situation is, it would be unwise to base any policy or actions on a solitary newspaper report.
Absolutely.
duffer
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Appreciate your honesty Rob, but why are you saying Wasps are being forced out if you're not sure?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/10/wasps-owner-derek-richardson-stadium
http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-uni...miership-wasps-issue-statement-on-ground-move
The owner wants to move out, from everything I've read.
italiahorse
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Would the Trust not do better channeling their efforts into getting Sisu to buy into ACL ?
Problem solved :thinking about:
Problem solved :thinking about:
RoboCCFC90
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From the original statement that I read Duffer I believed it was the only situation, however looking at the below which was taken from the Sky Sports link, Wasps have attempted to build a new stadium in High Wycombe but that plan was rejected. The only question I would have aimed towards Wasps is, Why are Wasps dead set on moving again?
Especially when it appears that they don't even sell out at Adams Park..
"However, Wasps have sometimes struggled to fill Adams Park and in 2007 they played a 'home' Heineken Cup tie at Coventry City Football Club's Ricoh Arena.
That same year an ambitious plan was announced for a new stadium in the High Wycombe area but this eventually fell by the wayside after planning permission was refused.
In the past week there was some speculation Wasps, led by captain James Haskell to two pre-season friendly victories so far, were on the verge of ending their groundshare at Adams Park at the end of this season."
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The new ground is never going to happen.
Also sharing the ground with Wasps will mean sharing our half the income too, so all the Pitchside advertising, etc would have to be slip 50:50. I can't see a scenario where this is beneficial for us in the slightest.
Wasps get about 6-7k attendances playing nearer their fan base, those attendance will drop significantly to 1.5-2k if they moved here, that won't be bringing in much revenue.
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I agree that the P.i.T.S. Stadium will never be built. TF continues to talk about it though, and it is this posturing that is causing speculation about the future of the Ricoh. I also think that Wasps will only use the Ricoh for European games and I would be in favour of that. The pitch side advertising could maybe be altered for Heineken Cup games and therefore not negatively effect CCFC's normal revenue.
We will not get anywhere if the situation remains as it is. No security of tenure and just posturing from SISU. Any other outside offers can only help, either by bringing in revenue, or by showing our owners potential for investing in a stake in the Ricoh.
We are not home yet - by a long way.
dongonzalos
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The new ground is never going to happen.
Also sharing the ground with Wasps will mean sharing our half the income too, so all the Pitchside advertising, etc would have to be slip 50:50. I can't see a scenario where this is beneficial for us in the slightest.
Wasps get about 6-7k attendances playing nearer their fan base, those attendance will drop significantly to 1.5-2k if they moved here, that won't be bringing in much revenue.
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The only way it would be beneficial is the big European games. Also the value if the sponsorship would rise as they are of a higher marketing profile than us.
The best thing SISU could do is purchase a matching share before the whole value if ACL rises.
stupot07
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Bugger "like it" by mistake. I don't want the club to have a matching share of a stadium in COVENTRY with a LONDON team. I want us to own/long-lease/leasehold the whole complex so that we can use the revenue to help get us back in the PL.
I can't believe some on here are seemingly in favour of LONDON Wasps owning a COVENTRY stadium the home of the sky blues and think that it would benefit the club.
Oh well can't wait for the yellow and black seats.
Although ACL have every right to see to who they want to, both ACL and CCFC have said this is the time to build bridges, trust and relationships. I don't think selling half of ACL to LONDON Wasps is going to do that.
Oh well if it sticks 2 fingers up at sisu let's all rejoice..
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How do any of us know what Information ACL may be privvy to Re; The Club In prompting this announcement .
Someone not quite attached to the Club has been releasing a few snippets to fans recently on all sorts of matters ,be they for our benefit or to mislead ,I don't know .
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Yet ACL have been having these talks allegedly for over a year without feeling the need to Publicise ,maybe they know something's coming and have got In first,just a thought ,nothing more.
Someone not quite attached to the Club has been releasing a few snippets to fans recently on all sorts of matters ,be they for our benefit or to mislead ,I don't know .
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Yet ACL have been having these talks allegedly for over a year without feeling the need to Publicise ,maybe they know something's coming and have got In first,just a thought ,nothing more.