M&B Stand
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If Norwich forest and Leicester had the same league form since 1967, they'd be below 10k
Why our crowds are awful (3 Viewers)
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If Norwich forest and Leicester had the same league form since 1967, they'd be below 10k
stupot07
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Yes, top flight football for 34 consecutive years, 3/4 of that time since 1969. If only we'd have gotten relegated and promoted a few times back then, we'd be battening down the hatches keeping out the stampeded
The Lurker
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Exactly, Norwich and Leicester in the past 14 years have fallen and grown during that time. Seen league one football and seen premiership football. Us have seen gradual downfall.
dongonzalos
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Not sure Leicester is the best choice I maybe making this up however I am sure they are the proud participants in the lowest ever attendance recorded.
The Lurker
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Top flight football which ended 13 years ago!!!!! During that time what have we had to cheer about? Nothing! What end of season excitement we had? Nothing... Us as ccfc fans have had nothing. I don't think any other club in the past 13 years have had such a torrid time. Please give me one club who haven't experienced a playoff, top 6 finish, promotion or general excitement during that time?
dongonzalos
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Sorry Grendel but if you are suggesting success or league position doesn't make a difference and Leicester are your proof why this is true. I have to disappoint you..........
It came on a freezing Tuesday night in February, 1983, when Gordon Milne’s City were well off the pace in the hunt for promotion from Division Two. (We’re giving it a good old go with those excuses, all the same).
Just 6,155 turned up to watch City take on Shrewsbury, the lowest attendance since accurate records were kept.
Incredibly, given that attendance for the Shrewsbury game, 29,376 turned out for the final game of the season against Burnley, with hundreds more locked out. City had made up the gap, and the 1982-83 season had the unlikeliest of happy endings, from yawning gaps on the terraces to Filbert Street crammed to the rafters with people sitting on the East Stand roof in less than three months... and promotion. Four seasons of top flight-football followed.
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Leicester ironically are the best example that with a run of success CCFC haven't had since the last promotion campaign the crowds would come
It came on a freezing Tuesday night in February, 1983, when Gordon Milne’s City were well off the pace in the hunt for promotion from Division Two. (We’re giving it a good old go with those excuses, all the same).
Just 6,155 turned up to watch City take on Shrewsbury, the lowest attendance since accurate records were kept.
Incredibly, given that attendance for the Shrewsbury game, 29,376 turned out for the final game of the season against Burnley, with hundreds more locked out. City had made up the gap, and the 1982-83 season had the unlikeliest of happy endings, from yawning gaps on the terraces to Filbert Street crammed to the rafters with people sitting on the East Stand roof in less than three months... and promotion. Four seasons of top flight-football followed.
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Leicester ironically are the best example that with a run of success CCFC haven't had since the last promotion campaign the crowds would come
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Mr T - Sukka!
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Its a free choice to go or not.
All football clubs get the support they deserve.
If a club is winning it will attract more fans. Simple.
Sucessful clubs have more fans.
All football clubs get the support they deserve.
If a club is winning it will attract more fans. Simple.
Sucessful clubs have more fans.
Kingokings204
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stupot07
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No we haven't had anything to cheer about but the whole 150 years+ without a top 6 finish is a shit stat to us as an excuse given that 3/4 of that time was spent in the top flight.
I have no idea, which clubs have and haven't been in the top 6 in the last 13 years.
I'm just fed up of the excuses.
dongonzalos
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Forget about excuses just look at facts
Product affects demand.
The better the product the better the demand.
With football these factors affect demand
Success
Entertainment
Price
Pool of customer base
Loyalty
In my opinion in that order of importance. With the top two very close
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stupot07
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Excuses...
27k to 10k in 2 weeks is shocking
Product effects demand, demand effect product
No fans, no money, no investment, poor quality. Less fans, etc
I tell you what though, I'll. be back at the Ricoh once they show some ambition and sign a £1m striker, but only if tickets are £15 and we're sat in the top 6......but only when Shitzu have left
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limoncello
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Lol.
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dongonzalos
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Any external factor affected the first attendance worth mentioning????? Ie our club unnecessarily kidnapped for a year.
However it dies show you there are at least another 10k fans you as the runners of the club know you are not attracting.
Success and entertainment would address that
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stupot07
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No, they are floating fans only turn up for big games or when it's cheap.
dongonzalos
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Yep that the reality of football and affects all clubs the same.
Performance and Success by in far the most important factors
stupot07
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And more importantly cheap tickets
Oh well, we shouldn't moan about our shit squad
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limoncello
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Loyalty, tradition, pride. That's why I go. Maybe I'm a weirdo.
dongonzalos
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Stu you are in the loyalty band (the 5-11k)so you won't get it.
Cov can play the shitest football and rip you off and you are likely to still attend.
However to get the 30k they need to deliver the product.
Simple case of demand
dongonzalos
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Nope you are a true hardcore fan in the 6-11k
But if you want big numbers you have to deliver success and entertainment.
Surely people understand that?
dongonzalos
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Price is a factor but comes after success and performance really. Increase those two you increase your price.
Grendel
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Its because if "fans" like you we are where we are - I blame lazy apathetic " supporters" like you far more than past or present owners.
Grendel
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Of course it does -- Gillingham - cough cough.
The Lurker
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Stu your usually the man with all the facts so I guess you can't find anything? Rest my case. These are all contributing factors towards our poor attendance
The Lurker
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Gillingham was a special circumstance. Price a factor but deep down the media hysteria made that game the "welcome home party" one thing, shows the support is there, just need a winning/successful team to get the punters back. Remember Leeds at home back in 2010 or 2011? Top 6 class over 26k there.
dongonzalos
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Fortunately you have no idea of what a 'fan' like me is
Which shows you are wuming.
I am telling you about the hardcore who will go no matter what is thrown at them.
Thanks to the hardcore we get 10k plus in mid table in division three which is impressive.
This is the same for every club and is a simple reality of product and demand.
You gave the example of Leicester showing this was not true. Which as usual you were proven to be wrong ( as usual you won't admit it). In one season they had less than 7000 fans when promotion looked impossible. (Division two)
They somehow turned it around and on the last day had 29k and people banging on the doors. (Their product improved their demand went up) whilst in the championship for a league match did we ever get less than 7000?
Once proven wrong you turn to an attack. I told you about the different type of fans. I didn't tell you which category I sit in.
However I personally am not dense enough to attack those who are not in the hardcore.
There are loads of factors why people aren't.
I just understand its down to the club to maximise their fan base.
I hope at JLR you understand this and put a bit of effort into marketing to maximise your client base. You don't just rely on those who always buy Jaguar because they always have and always will.
I know you that deep down you know that I and many others are right in this matter. However Grendel been Grendel you will keep arguing a defeated argument trying to change its direction to a debate you may win rather than putting your hands up and admitting you got it wrong. Like backing SISU's tactics over the last two to three years.
Don't worry mate we know when your wrong its plain to see you don't have to admit it out load if you don't want to
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Otis
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Astute
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Can't argue with you there
All of those that were not at the game yesterday have a reason. And the worse the results and the performance on the pitch the easier it is to find a reason not to go.
Last week I turned down 2 OT shifts to go to the Rochdale game. So I missed 24 hours work at premium rate to go and spend money at a game. If we had won....or even got a draw there is a good chance that I would have gone yesterday. But I got offered 2 shifts of OT again. Hard decision at the time. But by the sound of it the right one.
I don't care what names anyone wants to call me. I had my years of never missing a game home or away. I had the bug like a lot of you have now. So I know where you are all coming from. I remember the days of top flight football where 12k was a good crowd. I remember the Liverpool games where HR was a sea of red. Just couldn't understand why our gates were so low. The away days where you didn't wear your colours or open your mouth if you could help it. The satisfaction of getting in and out of an away game in one piece. If you won it was difficult at times. Getting hammered 4-0 a few times a season, but was always worth it when we won a game where we expected to lose. But I just didn't see why our gates were so low. So obvious to those that haven't got the bug. Just like now. But now we have different reasons. And some just don't see them.
Kingokings204
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That is the thing. The more is no reason to get the bug. Nothing is getting city fans going and the only ones going are the people who will be there no matter what.
3 straight losses, no player of any worth, bottom half of the table, sisu still in charge. It's not great. Next Saturday is a thriller against crawley town which will attract a few more I'm sure.... NOT!!
It's all very depressing as I haven't even scratched the surface with why people don't want to go. People are in their numbers staying away and I don't blame them.
To think we were 3rd at one point against scunthorpe and had 11 men on the pitch and now 3 games later 3 straight losses. We are the serial losers of league football. Talks about formations and tactics all you want but.....
We haven't got many good players so we won't win many games. It's can be as simple as that folks.
3 straight losses, no player of any worth, bottom half of the table, sisu still in charge. It's not great. Next Saturday is a thriller against crawley town which will attract a few more I'm sure.... NOT!!
It's all very depressing as I haven't even scratched the surface with why people don't want to go. People are in their numbers staying away and I don't blame them.
To think we were 3rd at one point against scunthorpe and had 11 men on the pitch and now 3 games later 3 straight losses. We are the serial losers of league football. Talks about formations and tactics all you want but.....
We haven't got many good players so we won't win many games. It's can be as simple as that folks.
bigfatronssba
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Clubs without a Football League top 6 finish in the last 13 years. As you can see, even all the others have had at least something positive happen in that time:
AFC Wimbledon 2nd in Conference 11/12 season
Bradford City 7th in League 2 (a play off place) 12/13 season
Cambridge U 2nd in Conference 13/14 season
Coventry City
Dag & Red 1st in Conference 06/07 season
Fulham Qualified for Europa League by finishing 7th 08/09 season
Middlesbrough Qualified for Uefa Cup by finishing 7th 04/05 season
Newport County 3rd in Conference 12/13 season
Oxford United 3rd in Conference 09/10 season
York City 7th in League 2 (a play off place) 13/14 season
Frankly we're just shit.
Grendel
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Fortunately you have no idea of what a 'fan' like me is
Which shows you are wuming.
I am telling you about the hardcore who will go no matter what is thrown at them.
Thanks to the hardcore we get 10k plus in mid table in division three which is impressive.
This is the same for every club and is a simple reality of product and demand.
You gave the example of Leicester showing this was not true. Which as usual you were proven to be wrong ( as usual you won't admit it). In one season they had less than 7000 fans when promotion looked impossible. (Division two)
They somehow turned it around and on the last day had 29k and people banging on the doors. (Their product improved their demand went up) whilst in the championship for a league match did we ever get less than 7000?
Once proven wrong you turn to an attack. I told you about the different type of fans. I didn't tell you which category I sit in.
However I personally am not dense enough to attack those who are not in the hardcore.
There are loads of factors why people aren't.
I just understand its down to the club to maximise their fan base.
I hope at JLR you understand this and put a bit of effort into marketing to maximise your client base. You don't just rely on those who always buy Jaguar because they always have and always will.
I know you that deep down you know that I and many others are right in this matter. However Grendel been Grendel you will keep arguing a defeated argument trying to change its direction to a debate you may win rather than putting your hands up and admitting you got it wrong. Like backing SISU's tactics over the last two to three years.
Don't worry mate we know when your wrong its plain to see you don't have to admit it out load if you don't want to
As usual you are talking nonsense.
Thirty years ago in the top league we could get 10,000 fans. Football was very different then. It has now a far stronger and more consistent fan base across most teams. Even the ludricous comparison falls flat as according to your logic entertained fans come back . There was no negative view at all from the 27,000 who went to Gillingham. In fact bleating from those who couldn't attend was all we heard . It didn't attract one floating fan back the next game.
I suggest you look at those teams attendances in league one which was my comparison. Even in relegation seasons Norwich forest etc. retained far far more supporters than ours.
What next? A look at the lowest league attendance for forest in 1924 to make a point? The point is they are excuses. Entertaining football, don't make me laugh. Five pound a ticket with a promise to Wembley is the only entertainment most want .
bigfatronssba
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Leeds United is worse.