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[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

I will bow out of the thread now as the level of debate is schoolboy at best. My fellow posters have resorted to the most ridiculous retorts and it is beneath me to further participate. Happy to discuss this further with any adults that may be around?

your bottom line is I'm fine with Evans being released from prison but he is not allowed near women please explain how this isn't contradiction

 

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[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

I've won the argument several times over, your just too dumb to see it!

how? could you summarize how you have won the argument?

 

[covmark]

your bottom line is I'm fine with Evans being released from prison but he is not allowed near women please explain how this isn't contradiction

No, I think his bottom line is, Evans is a rapist c**t and doesn't deserve to breathe the same oxygen as us.

 

[FRY-CCFC]

No, I think his bottom line is, Evans is a rapist c**t and doesn't deserve to breathe the same oxygen as us.

Ignorant.

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

No, I think his bottom line is, Evans is a rapist c**t and doesn't deserve to breathe the same oxygen as us.

you believe rape is punishable by death what precedent does that set

 

[covmark]

you believe rape is punishable by death what precedent does that set

If it was my daughter I would kill the fucker.

 

[FRY-CCFC]

If it was my daughter I would kill the fucker.

You'd then get a life sentence in prison. What sort of example would that set your kids.

 

[Astute]

You'd then get a life sentence in prison. What sort of example would that set your kids.

The example of right from wrong.

We are desperate for decent players. But how ever low we go we will not be that desperate.

 

[FRY-CCFC]

The example of right from wrong.

We are desperate for decent players. But how ever low we go we will not be that desperate.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The example of right from wrong.

We are desperate for decent players. But how ever low we go we will not be that desperate.

He has a right to earn a living...but not a celebrity one. Follow Kevin Kyle's example and stack shelves on a ship rather than resume a career of wealth and fame.

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

I will bow out of the thread now as the level of debate is schoolboy at best. My fellow posters have resorted to the most ridiculous retorts and it is beneath me to further participate. Happy to discuss this further with any adults that may be around?

you began by trying to compare Evans being allowed to return to football like a pedophile being allowed to go back to teaching this is completely irrelevant, you then went onto say you wouldn't like him in a job where young women would be attracted to him however attraction is not based solely on profession, you then said you would like him to not be around women however leaving prison to the outside world would mean being around women, you then said you wouldn't mind him leaving prison. you then said you weren't bitter about him being a footballer but said he shouldn't be allowed to live anything other than a normal life again meaning he would be allowed around women contradicting yourself. eventually you resulted to ignorance in order to pretend you had won the argument after realizing how stupid you sound

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

If it was my daughter I would kill the fucker.

therefore making yourself the very thing you wanted to destroy

 

[covmark]

therefore making yourself the very thing you wanted to destroy

A rapist??

 

[Samo]

you began by trying to compare Evans being allowed to return to football like a
pedophile being allowed to go back to teaching this is completely irrelevant, you then went onto say you wouldn't like him in a job where young women would be attracted to him however attraction is not based solely on profession, you then said you would like him to not be around women however leaving prison to the outside world would mean being around women, you then said you wouldn't mind him leaving prison. you then said you weren't bitter about him being a footballer but said he shouldn't be allowed to live anything other than a normal life again meaning he would be allowed around women contradicting yourself. eventually you resulted to ignorance in order to pretend you had won the argument after realizing how stupid you sound

(sniggers behind hand)

 

[wingy]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

And then there's always turning a Blind Eye and excusing It ,which has been happening Ad finitum for centuries .

The approach from those tasked with enforcing the Law and the average footy fan far to Laize Faire.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He has a right to earn a living...but not a celebrity one. Follow Kevin Kyle's example and stack shelves on a ship rather than resume a career of wealth and fame.

...or at least show some contrition, and maybe do some voluntary work for a year or two, to show he's rehabilitated.

As opposed to walking straight back into a well-paid contract as though nothing had happened. All this does is exacerbate the rather disgusting attempts to sling mud in the diorection of a victim, a victim who has been proven a victim in a court of law, where Evans has been convicted by a jury for a crime which has a notriously low reporting rate, let alone convictions. The very fact his release allows such distasteful comments shows why, in a career which is *supposed* to be about showing an example, he has to earn the right to show an example. Away from the field, how on earth can he be an ambassador for his community? How can he go and coach schools? Visit sick kids in hospital?

While refusing to acknowledge his crime, and letting his victim suffer more as a result.

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

A rapist??

no a convicted criminal

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

...or at least show some contrition, and maybe do some voluntary work for a year or two, to show he's rehabilitated.

As opposed to walking straight back into a well-paid contract as though nothing had happened. All this does is exacerbate the rather disgusting attempts to sling mud in the diorection of a victim, a victim who has been proven a victim in a court of law, where Evans has been convicted by a jury for a crime which has a notriously low reporting rate, let alone convictions. The very fact his release allows such distasteful comments shows why, in a career which is *supposed* to be about showing an example, he has to earn the right to show an example. Away from the field, how on earth can he be an ambassador for his community? How can he go and coach schools? Visit sick kids in hospital?

While refusing to acknowledge his crime, and letting his victim suffer more as a result.

he served his sentence therefore he has been punished

 

[Astute]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

This country is becoming shit because the justice system is becoming an injustice system.

My little 12 nearly 13 year old has a 15 year old trying to get her to become a 'friend with benefits' She is 5' 6" already and looks older than she is......but is still only 12. Wife saw messages from him last night. I have been to his parents house today. His dad can't see what his son has done wrong. The twat took a shot at me when I said his son had better keep away from my 12 year old daughter or else. I am now waiting to get lifted. But I suppose if it was your daughter you wouldn't mind as nothing happened.

I stuck up for King. It was 'only' a pinch on the arse. But we all saw what a c**t he was after he joined us. What Evans has done is much worse. And I wish King had never come to our club.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

he served his sentence therefore he has been punished

There are certain jobs you can't do after being convicted of crimes.

I see no reason why a rapist who refuses to acknowledge he is a rapist should continue to do the same job automatically, without earning the right to do so.

Even for jobs where it doesn't matter, you wouldn't walk into them straiught after coming out of prison. The only reason he does here is the moral bankruptcy of football, that sees a goal or two worth selling your soul for,

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

He has a right to earn a living...but not a celebrity one. Follow Kevin Kyle's example and stack shelves on a ship rather than resume a career of wealth and fame.

Kevin Kyle had a change of heart in his career not a criminal conviction again saying that he has no right to a celebrity lifestyle makes you sound jealous

 

[Samo]

...or at least show some contrition, and maybe do some voluntary work for a year or two, to show he's rehabilitated.

As opposed to walking straight back into a well-paid contract as though nothing had happened. All this does is exacerbate the rather disgusting attempts to sling mud in the diorection of a victim, a victim who has been proven a victim in a court of law, where Evans has been convicted by a jury for a crime which has a notriously low reporting rate, let alone convictions. The very fact his release allows such distasteful comments shows why, in a career which is *supposed* to be about showing an example, he has to earn the right to show an example. Away from the field, how on earth can he be an ambassador for his community? How can he go and coach schools? Visit sick kids in hospital?

While refusing to acknowledge his crime, and letting his victim suffer more as a result.

Agreed but take my word for it NW, you are pissing into the wind on this thread.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I stuck up for King. It was 'only' a pinch on the arse.

It wasn't.

if it was, he wouldn't have been convicted, and wouldn't have been on the sex offenders' register.

 

[FRY-CCFC]

This country is becoming shit because the justice system is becoming an injustice system.

My little 12 nearly 13 year old has a 15 year old trying to get her to become a 'friend with benefits' She is 5' 6" already and looks older than she is......but is still only 12. Wife saw messages from him last night. I have been to his parents house today. His dad can't see what his son has done wrong. The twat took a shot at me when I said his son had better keep away from my 12 year old daughter or else. I am now waiting to get lifted. But I suppose if it was your daughter you wouldn't mind as nothing happened.

I stuck up for King. It was 'only' a pinch on the arse. But we all saw what a c**t he was after he joined us. What Evans has done is much worse. And I wish King had never come to our club.

Sorry about that but how does that relate to Ched Evans being allowed to play football?

 

[tuousis]

what is stupid about it?

HAVE YOU GOT A DAUGHTER, I dont think you ever will. I am glad you dont live near people.

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

There are certain jobs you can't do after being convicted of crimes.

I see no reason why a rapist who refuses to acknowledge he is a rapist should continue to do the same job automatically, without earning the right to do so.

Even for jobs where it doesn't matter, you wouldn't walk into them straiught after coming out of prison. The only reason he does here is the moral bankruptcy of football, that sees a goal or two worth selling your soul for,

he refuses to acknowledge he is a rapist because he feels he isn't guilty of the crime he has a right to do so and appeal, he also has a right to go into football as it is not a job prohibited to sex offenders

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

...or at least show some contrition, and maybe do some voluntary work for a year or two, to show he's rehabilitated.

As opposed to walking straight back into a well-paid contract as though nothing had happened. All this does is exacerbate the rather disgusting attempts to sling mud in the diorection of a victim, a victim who has been proven a victim in a court of law, where Evans has been convicted by a jury for a crime which has a notriously low reporting rate, let alone convictions. The very fact his release allows such distasteful comments shows why, in a career which is *supposed* to be about showing an example, he has to earn the right to show an example. Away from the field, how on earth can he be an ambassador for his community? How can he go and coach schools? Visit sick kids in hospital?

While refusing to acknowledge his crime, and letting his victim suffer more as a result.

Some people will never forgive him for his actions so any community service would never be enough for them, but for the less hard nosed that might work. Lee Hughes and Marlon King never had to do anything like that and Hughes committed manslaughter, so Evans would have some precedent for saying 'well they didn't have to do it so why should I?'. It has to be genuine on his part for it to really mean anything.

 

[Astute]

he served his sentence therefore he has been punished

Should have got much longer. Long enough to make sure his football career was over.

If the time served was what the crimes deserved there would be a lot less crimes committed.

 

[Samo]

This country is becoming shit because the justice system is becoming an injustice system.

My little 12 nearly 13 year old has a 15 year old trying to get her to become a 'friend with benefits' She is 5' 6" already and looks older than she is......but is still only 12. Wife saw messages from him last night. I have been to his parents house today. His dad can't see what his son has done wrong. The twat took a shot at me when I said his son had better keep away from my 12 year old daughter or else. I am now waiting to get lifted. But I suppose if it was your daughter you wouldn't mind as nothing happened.

I stuck up for King. It was 'only' a pinch on the arse. But we all saw what a c**t he was after he joined us. What Evans has done is much worse. And I wish King had never come to our club.

Can't imagine how angry you must be about that Astute, I'd have done exactly the same.

 

[Astute]

Sorry about that but how does that relate to Ched Evans being allowed to play football?

He shouldn't be allowed to show young lads that they can do what they want and get away with it with a little more than a slapped wrist. Even his girlfriend has stayed with him. Is it for the money?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Kevin Kyle had a change of heart in his career not a criminal conviction again saying that he has no right to a celebrity lifestyle makes you sound jealous

High salary, high profile work which as NW stated he shouldn't be allowed to walk back into as though nothing happened. Nothing to do with jealousy but a recognition of the privilege that comes with being a pro footballer.

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

HAVE YOU GOT A DAUGHTER, I dont think you ever will. I am glad you dont live near people.

see what you've done is taken my response out of context to try and say that this is my response on the case or the issue of rape which just isn't true my thread is proposing we sign him to increase our chance for promotion because he has served his punishment for his crime, if i did have a daughter and this happened to her I would allow the legal system of this country, which I do cherish, to handle the crime and give just punishment as it did in the Evans case rather than resulting to "I'll kill him" and drop to the level of a criminal

 

[Astute]

Can't imagine how angry you must be about that Astute, I'd have done exactly the same.

Not proud of what I have done. But at least she should be safe from him now. And we have the messages for proof if needed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Some people will never forgive him for his actions so any community service would never be enough for them, but for the less hard nosed that might work. Lee Hughes and Marlon King never had to do anything like that and Hughes committed manslaughter, so Evans would have some precedent for saying 'well they didn't have to do it so why should I?'. It has to be genuine on his part for it to really mean anything.

I am all for rehabilitation.

I kind of feel it doesn't encourage you to change your behaviour if people fall over themselves to hire you however. There's a difference between earning respect for putting the past behind you, and refusing to acknowledge the past was ever a problem.

I doubt people would hire you, me, or most people on this board if we were convicted of rape. So... we either accept that's wrong, and we should not need to be asked about prior convictions when applying for jobs, or we accept that maybe rehabilitation means more than clubs fawning over you and making excuses for you because they want a cheap goalscorer.

 

[Bobby Gould's Jockstrap]

This country is becoming shit because the justice system is becoming an injustice system.

My little 12 nearly 13 year old has a 15 year old trying to get her to become a 'friend with benefits' She is 5' 6" already and looks older than she is......but is still only 12. Wife saw messages from him last night. I have been to his parents house today. His dad can't see what his son has done wrong. The twat took a shot at me when I said his son had better keep away from my 12 year old daughter or else. I am now waiting to get lifted. But I suppose if it was your daughter you wouldn't mind as nothing happened.

I stuck up for King. It was 'only' a pinch on the arse. But we all saw what a c**t he was after he joined us. What Evans has done is much worse. And I wish King had never come to our club.

your first point isn't even explained or backed up by anything your second point or narrative tale is completely irrelevent