Trust Letter (23 Viewers)
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italiahorse
Well-Known Member
It feeds into what I just said in the other thread.
Speak to us like adults, sell the Ricoh as our home for the next 4/5 years, get us back on your side by just telling us what is going on.
Perhaps, just perhaps, we might agree with you.
SkyBlueCharlie
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I'm not sure what your point is? I see little wrong with the tone, it's polite, to the point and is asking the questions that I suspect most of us, including you Nick, would like the answers to. What is wrong with that. It also accepts the reality of the Wasps position and is asking for the CCFC to adopt a realistic and pragmatic approach to the situation, again I see little wrong with that. I believe that if we could see a clear, plannned, practical way forward then many of the absentee fans would come back, not to the 18000 mark but at least closer to 12000.
lamtara2006
Member
My thoughts precisely. Very reasonable and pertinent questions asked in a constructive manner.
Cheshire Sky Blue
New Member
Nick, I have to assume that you responded to the letter in such a way so as to increase the energy about the debate. Maybe I am missing something, but the content and the tone seemed entirely reasonable from a group that represent the real fans of CCFC. (Unlike that Strange fella and SCG or whatever it is this week)
The Wasps comparison is Bizarre. And I happen to believe that many will, as you so smugly put it ' will get off their arse' when and only when they are treated with respect and have evidence that when they trow their hard earned and limited cash at CCFC it will go to getting us back.
You keep inferring that anyone who stands up and challenges the owners of OUR club in any way are in some manner being disloyal. I don't think we are, we just have a different view to you. And that on current evidence is a bloody good thing.
Well done Sky Blue Trust, I am not a member but what you did was good.
Nick
Administrator
Where have I inferred that?
By the tone I mean the "reply by this date bit".
Why is the Wasps comparison bizarre?
SkyBlueCharlie
Well-Known Member
So damned if they do and damned if they don't? At least they are trying to move on from the sterile Wasps' debate that this forum appears to have become a home to and at least if they do get answers that show a practical way forward that's something we can work with as fans.
I'd rather wait to see what the response from CCFC is before leaping into the unknown.
Nick
Administrator
no, by all means be demanding but be like it with everybody!
Samo
Well-Known Member
I rather doubt that... If SISU said black is black 90% on here would have a hissy fit and claim it to be white! After all, if the evil hedge fund says its black it must white.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Not if Wasps pocket a slice of the money they spend it won't, although their request does to be fair address this.
Cheshire Sky Blue
New Member
Nick the tone of your many posts strongly infer that you have a leaning against the SISU antagonists. That's how I read your posts, it may not be the message you intended to send but it is the one that is being received.
'Reply by' is just good communication, they don't want it to be open ended. It sets expectations and boundaries and is professional not posturing.
The bizarre bit is when you say "Look at the tone of that, then compare it to Wasps.....
What are you wanting us to compare?
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
One thing that is important is that we as fans in general remain focussed on what is actually important to us - the well being of CCFC
You only have to look at this forum to see the focus has changed to some degree to feature Wasps and that has to change surely. Don't we want to know about our club and its plans?
Since 8th October when Wasps bought the first 50% there has been one real statement from the club that covered what was an 11th hour offer that neither tested the resolve of charity or council nor succeeded. Even that was lacking in detail of the real offer (only twiddly bits concerning charity collaboration were disclosed). The only other information has been from the "fans representatives " on the ccfc board who basically said "we know where the new stadium is..... errr actually no we don't"
The club owners need as a matter of urgency to make clear what is going on and what the way forward is in detail together with how that is going to be achieved. The ownership of the Ricoh is no longer an option and frankly now is not of importance to CCFC - a deal on tenure /income streams however is. The alternative is a new stadium that we are asked to believe in but given next to no detail on which to nail that belief. Surely even the owners must realise the majority of the fans simply do not believe them and that to resolve that requires definite clear action with no fanciful statements or back tracking.
What the Trust letter does is question the one party that they should always be able to question and expect an answer from. As I understand it the club have so far refused to answer properly or meet stating that all questions etc should be put to the "fans representative" for approval and then put to the ccfc board of directors. Of course messrs Ward & Strange may get answers but it seems likely they wont be able to tell anyone :facepalm:
There is perhaps a tone of frustration and bluntness but considering what has gone on, the things said etc it is not really surprising is it. Seems quite business like to me however
The letter of course will not get a proper answer. (in my opinion)
recent events have allowed the likes of Fisher to hide from scrutiny. The imposition of lame fans representatives put another hurdle in the way also. The focus of too many CCFC fans seems to be on Wasps not their own club - SISU etc have hidden behind that for 2 months. It is now 2 years since the building of a new stadium was first put forward. SISU/Fisher/Seppala/Waggott need to be questioned as to the future of our club, they need to answer properly and fully. Sound bites about "we need 365 day income" and "we are building our own" will not do. We need detail damn it !
You only have to look at this forum to see the focus has changed to some degree to feature Wasps and that has to change surely. Don't we want to know about our club and its plans?
Since 8th October when Wasps bought the first 50% there has been one real statement from the club that covered what was an 11th hour offer that neither tested the resolve of charity or council nor succeeded. Even that was lacking in detail of the real offer (only twiddly bits concerning charity collaboration were disclosed). The only other information has been from the "fans representatives " on the ccfc board who basically said "we know where the new stadium is..... errr actually no we don't"
The club owners need as a matter of urgency to make clear what is going on and what the way forward is in detail together with how that is going to be achieved. The ownership of the Ricoh is no longer an option and frankly now is not of importance to CCFC - a deal on tenure /income streams however is. The alternative is a new stadium that we are asked to believe in but given next to no detail on which to nail that belief. Surely even the owners must realise the majority of the fans simply do not believe them and that to resolve that requires definite clear action with no fanciful statements or back tracking.
What the Trust letter does is question the one party that they should always be able to question and expect an answer from. As I understand it the club have so far refused to answer properly or meet stating that all questions etc should be put to the "fans representative" for approval and then put to the ccfc board of directors. Of course messrs Ward & Strange may get answers but it seems likely they wont be able to tell anyone :facepalm:
There is perhaps a tone of frustration and bluntness but considering what has gone on, the things said etc it is not really surprising is it. Seems quite business like to me however
The letter of course will not get a proper answer. (in my opinion)
recent events have allowed the likes of Fisher to hide from scrutiny. The imposition of lame fans representatives put another hurdle in the way also. The focus of too many CCFC fans seems to be on Wasps not their own club - SISU etc have hidden behind that for 2 months. It is now 2 years since the building of a new stadium was first put forward. SISU/Fisher/Seppala/Waggott need to be questioned as to the future of our club, they need to answer properly and fully. Sound bites about "we need 365 day income" and "we are building our own" will not do. We need detail damn it !
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Why on earth would you not converse politely with wasps who have done nothing whatsoever to us and with hostility to the people who have destroyed the club and all hope (at least for the foreseeable future), the words and tone is far politier then sisu and fisher deserve.
you are joking right? usual Trust rant, full of opinion, conjecture and point scoring. Club wont talk to trust as they have plotted against them in the past.
This needs to come from the 2000 members of the trust not an everchanging cabal at the top.
Trust needs to ;
1. Appoint a chairperson with some credibility and influence who can talk/mediate with the club - or else we will be stuck with that pointless oddball Jonathon Strange as the Voice of the Fans
2. Sort the membership out - Been 2 years since we all paid a pound - get everyone AND more to join - make it £2-5 and create a genuine membership base who can lobby/petition etc and have a realistic fighting fund.
3. Stop writing stroppy letters like this that will go straight in the bin
4. Have a media strategy - influence the telegraph, CWR etc
5. be more professional! stop being a tinpot bunch meeting in the backroom of a pub and get organised.
thanks.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Why don't you join the trust, if you haven't already, and propose someone at the next election.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Have to agree with this post there are a few on here who hide behind the when have I said Sisu were good card.
Bennets Afro
Well-Known Member
Maybe the trust as representatives of the fans can also write a same styled letter to the council asking why the club wasn't offered the chance to buy the lease when it was offered to wasps after the club repeatedly being told it's not for sale
Nick
Administrator
Yes, because it didn't happen. There is no card....
Astute
Well-Known Member
So when was this?
They were told that the freehold wasn't for sale. And I never even used the word unencumbered there either. It still isn't.
And SISU never had the chance to purchase the lease? If they would tried negotiating instead of litigation things would have been very different.
letsallsingtogether
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letsallsingtogether
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You should know better you were at a couple of meetings with me you know the answer to that?
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
What's the answer?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
You really are a prick at times.
"Oooo, they've put a date at the end that they expect a responce too". So what? You seem to have missed it but the owners of this club should answer to its fans and the fact that the biggest fans group feels the need to put that comment at the end of the letter says a lot lot more about our owners that it does the trust and indeed the Wasps who yet again you fucking bring up at the first oppertunity for no apparent reason. What the fuck has Wasps got to do with the relationship the trust has with our useless owners?
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
They weren't interested in talking to the council or.
So the council reply will be we never had and offer or contact with Sisu.
Which I believe has been mentioned before.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Maybe because the Wasps have spoken to the CCFC supporters and Sisu our owners haven't?
Oh yes sorry they did to 2 individuals who couldn't even agree with what was said.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Out of all the reasons that SISU came out with for not making an offer my favourite one was 'lack of trust'
So what if nobody trusts SISU. They could still have made an offer
Nick
Administrator
Because the chairman of the trust is putting in every post how good the Wasps move is?
Now I've said many times in the past theres no excuse for the way SISU have been with the trust with some of the things, but don't give them even more ammo by promoting Wasps coming here whenever possible.
Is it that hard to see the next excuse for not speaking to the Trust?
Edit: Of course People will have their own opinion away from the trust which they are entitled too, but it is easy to see the SISU excuse a mile off. I am not saying "you must agree with sisu so they talk to you". Maybe just don't make it so obvious
Think of it like this, if somebody was protesting about you for months, shouting, banners etc (this isn't me saying it was wrong to protest) but then somebody else does the same thing and they are actually justifying it saying how good it is, would you want to speak to them? What taste would it leave? On that note I think of course the club should work with the Trust, but I think it should work both ways with bridge building.Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Glad that the comparison with cash and support rich Southampton has been raised again.
letsallsingtogether
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fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
It isn't a terrible letter tbh and asks reasonable questions, it might sound a little bit like Nick Eastwood has fluttered his eyelashes at the trust but they're only human.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Because the chairman of the trust is putting in every post how good the Wasps move is?
Now I've said many times in the past theres no excuse for the way SISU have been with the trust with some of the things, but don't give them even more ammo by promoting Wasps coming here whenever possible.
Is it that hard to see the next excuse for not speaking to the Trust?
Edit: Of course People will have their own opinion away from the trust which they are entitled too, but it is easy to see the SISU excuse a mile off. I am not saying "you must agree with sisu so they talk to you". Maybe just don't make it so obvious
No he has said it could be a good move for us.
Talking of bad tastes there is none worse then the taste Sisu have, yet we all find the time to speak to them.
So the Trust who on many occasions have tried to rebuild the bridges are now part of the problem.
FFS nick you are digging a bigger hole then you started in
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