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Well I'd see the point but... I've seen worse than that!
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Well I'd see the point but... I've seen worse than that!
letsallsingtogether
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Don't be stupid that's allowed it is everyone else who is to blame.
cloughie
Well-Known Member
Because the chairman of the trust is putting in every post how good the Wasps move is?
Now I've said many times in the past theres no excuse for the way SISU have been with the trust with some of the things, but don't give them even more ammo by promoting Wasps coming here whenever possible.
Is it that hard to see the next excuse for not speaking to the Trust?
Edit: Of course People will have their own opinion away from the trust which they are entitled too, but it is easy to see the SISU excuse a mile off. I am not saying "you must agree with sisu so they talk to you". Maybe just don't make it so obviousThink of it like this, if somebody was protesting about you for months, shouting, banners etc (this isn't me saying it was wrong to protest) but then somebody else does the same thing and they are actually justifying it saying how good it is, would you want to speak to them? What taste would it leave? On that note I think of course the club should work with the Trust, but I think it should work both ways with bridge building.
So to follow your logic, Higgs Trust why oh why would they have wanted to deal with sisu
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Because Sisu need to be treated with kid gloves.
skybluefred
New Member
The Wasps deal is done, It's finished, it belongs to them now and CCFC's only interest in the Ricoh is on match day's. It will not change even if you post a million threads about it.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
I recon they should send a strongly worded threatening letter to SISU through their lawyers. I remember some of the people who have taken insult from the wording on this letter said the letter the trust recieved from SISU's lawyers was acceptable. Thats clearly where the trust have gone wrong here.
cloughie
Well-Known Member
exactly they batter people in court.....................yawn yawn yawn,
letsallsingtogether
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Bill Glazier
Active Member
All this criticism of a perfectly reasonable letter is just a distraction. Sisu should answer the questions it poses.
Nick
Administrator
I'm sure you could think up a million made up stories by then??
Nick
Administrator
Who said it was acceptable? Nobody is offended by it are they?
duffer
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I'm in the trust, and there are a couple of things I don't like about that letter.
First off, "Dear Tim" - that's not very professional, sorry, especially for an 'open' letter like this one. If you're going to make a set of formal statements and requests, then at least give the person that you are asking the courtesy of a formal title.
As for the "most fans don't want us to leave the Ricoh", I'm not quite convinced about that. Before Wasps, I would have wholeheartedly agreed, but now if there's a pressing financial case for leaving then I'm quite prepared to listen. The Ricoh isn't ours I'm afraid, and isn't ever likely to be now. So dealing with Wasps isn't necessarily the only or the best option. I might in all fairness be in a vast minority here, but I don't recall being asked the Ricoh question post-Wasps.
I'm all for pressing our owners for answers - but putting a time limit on it is also a little rude, especially if this is the first formal enquiry. I'd have asked the questions, and then followed up after a few weeks if there was no response. This sets an arbitrary deadline, which again seems unnecessarily hostile, and it seems to potentially close down rather than open up dialogue to me.
I've no issue with the trust, but for all that our owners have screwed up if it is going to (re)build bridges with them it is going to have to extend some courtesy too. The trust should also watch that it doesn't overstate the position it claims on behalf of its members.
First off, "Dear Tim" - that's not very professional, sorry, especially for an 'open' letter like this one. If you're going to make a set of formal statements and requests, then at least give the person that you are asking the courtesy of a formal title.
As for the "most fans don't want us to leave the Ricoh", I'm not quite convinced about that. Before Wasps, I would have wholeheartedly agreed, but now if there's a pressing financial case for leaving then I'm quite prepared to listen. The Ricoh isn't ours I'm afraid, and isn't ever likely to be now. So dealing with Wasps isn't necessarily the only or the best option. I might in all fairness be in a vast minority here, but I don't recall being asked the Ricoh question post-Wasps.
I'm all for pressing our owners for answers - but putting a time limit on it is also a little rude, especially if this is the first formal enquiry. I'd have asked the questions, and then followed up after a few weeks if there was no response. This sets an arbitrary deadline, which again seems unnecessarily hostile, and it seems to potentially close down rather than open up dialogue to me.
I've no issue with the trust, but for all that our owners have screwed up if it is going to (re)build bridges with them it is going to have to extend some courtesy too. The trust should also watch that it doesn't overstate the position it claims on behalf of its members.
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ccfcway
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thats "content" then, not "tone".
I would suggest the tone seems like a dismayed fan looking for answers from the owners of the team they are paying to see week in week out. So, for me, the tone is bang on !
dongonzalos
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I guess regarding the deadline the wasps deal was done about a month ago. People have not heard what the business plan is going forward.
Regarding purchasing the land for the new stadium we have been close, weeks away a couple of months time for about the last six months.
Lots of people have been asking for a clear explanation for the confidentiality about the location if the site.
There should be a really easy explanation as to how funding a new stadium will provide better financial stability for the club than agree a long term rent deal with as much access to revenues as possible.
I guess the trust placed a deadline as a lot of this information is about 6 months overdue already.
duffer
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Mate there's no obligation on anyone at the club to provide information to the trust, so I don't know where any 'deadline' can suddenly come from, or how it can be 'six months overdue'.
What the trust can do is ask, but if you're going to that I'd always say that it's better to be polite. What you don't want to do is give someone an excuse to ignore you. And if you set an arbitrary deadline and it is ignored by the other party, where exactly does that get you - at worst you've now closed down the channel, at best you've brought in a point of contention that didn't even exist before.
If I sent an open letter to 'Nick' at Wasps, saying that everyone would be a lot happier if he could explain his full business plan with regard to CCFC, and y'know, let us know if he's willing to share a few bob, and can he let me know by Christmas please because it's been a month already, what do you think Wasps response to me would be?
ccfcway
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agree with a lot of that, but one thing to add..
Send an open letter to Nick at Wasps and he doesnt respond, well who cares, your not a wasps fan.
Send an open letter as a representitive of the fans largest supporter group and it really doesnt look good if they dont respond to their customers. In any other walk of life you would like to think that a business would reply to a customer in a timely manner.
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
TBF I get your point. I think massive frustration is just really setting in.
The owners don't like talking to the CET because they think they conspire against them. They don't like talking to the biggest fans group because they think they conspire against them.
They are taking the council to the court of appeals because they conspire against them.
I just wish they had that much confidence in their business plan that they just said yep we will face the trust explain to them and win them over get them backing us to the hilt.
Same with the CET.
It just worries what the business plan is when no one can make any financial suggestion from the outside
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duffer
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Yep, that's a fair point. But if the trust's open letter doesn't really show much respect for me as the club's owner, then I could just take the line that I'm wasting my time talking to them anyway.
We know the club do not like the trust - what isn't needed is the trust giving them any further justification for that dislike.
I also, as I've said don't particularly like some of the assumptions that the trust seems to have made in this letter regarding what its members want. If they are representing the majority, then that's fair enough and I've always said that, but I honestly don't remember being asked.
It's a horrible, largely thankless job, running the trust, and I respect entirely anyone willing to get involved. But I can't help outlining what I personally feel are the faults in the approach here. I'd hope that the next letter is a little less confrontational (for want of a better word). Why give SISU an excuse to dodge the questions?
duffer
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Mate, absolutely, I couldn't agree more and I don't mean to snipe at the trust (or you) who are clearly trying to get answers - I just differ on the approach.
SISU's model is completely opaque to me, and to those a lot cleverer than me too I suspect. Regardless of all of the Wasps stuff, I'd like nothing more than to get answers to the questions - not least of which is where the hell are we going to be playing in four years time if not at the Ricoh. It's an utter mess, and with our owners it would likely be an utter mess even without Wasps being involved. I don't mean to pretend otherwise, and it's entirely understandable that everyone here gets frustrated with it.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I agree with all of this.
The problem is as you say SISU don't like the trust. But SISU don't like anyone that has a chance of giving them a problem. They don't like CCC. They don't like Higgs. They don't like CET. They don't like us supporters. They don't like the judge that told them what he thought of them. They don't like any sort of supporters group unless it is run by people that they put in place. So then they don't have to answer to anyone. And we are still mushrooms after two years of this new ground rubbish.
Do you think that there is more chance of getting an answer if there wasn't a time limit to reply? I would say that it would just have the same result. Either no answers or just plain spin.
bigfatronssba
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Requesting a reply by date is fairly normal practice. It allows there to be no confusion over whether the letter has been ignored/not read properly, or simply still in the process of being replied to.
albatross
Well-Known Member
Absolutely nothing wrong with the letter ( maybe should have been a bit more direct).
This is a serious letter of complaint from the customers of Coventry City FC to the owners regarding the state of the club. Given a reasonable time frame to respond too.
Had to be put into the public domain as it represents the views of the members of the Trust and by association the concerns of most coventry city supporters.
I just hope that it is treated with the respect it deserves with an appropriate response.
This is a serious letter of complaint from the customers of Coventry City FC to the owners regarding the state of the club. Given a reasonable time frame to respond too.
Had to be put into the public domain as it represents the views of the members of the Trust and by association the concerns of most coventry city supporters.
I just hope that it is treated with the respect it deserves with an appropriate response.
bet you thought the letter was great didnt you?
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Knew it your normal answer when you don't like the truth:laugh:
So come on Nick what stories have I personally made up???
Like others on here I am wrong on occasions but calling me a liar is a bit strong.:facepalm:
Nick
Administrator
Knew it your normal answer when you don't like the truth:laugh:
So come on Nick what stories have I personally made up???
Like others on here I am wrong on occasions but calling me a liar is a bit strong.:facepalm:
The usual "these people are sticking up for SISU", "oh these people who say the nasty council did something wrong are just saying it because they think SISU did nothing wrong". The usual Jackanory. I wouldn't quite say liar though. Just a night fisherman!
Astute
Well-Known Member
I suppose we should all say that we will do something and then do nothing?
So what is your problem with trying to find out which direction they are going to take our club next? We more or less know that SISU will not reply, but how much longer should we sit back and let this disaster continue whilst the majority of us sit by and watch? I can understand why some are wanting questions asked by more than SISU. But there is no reason for anyone to question answers wanted about the future as it is now for our club. This new ground has been talked about for two years now. And how far have we got other than a couple of pictures? The trust letter needs to be the start of the questions. SISU should either let us know what is going on with this new stadium or get Fisher to shut his mouth and try and make the best out of the disaster of a situation of which it has become.
so a crappy letter like that is really going to work then isnt it?
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Maybe not but so far nothing else has?
So what do you suggest?
kissing Tims feet well your proof that doesn't work ether.
bigfatronssba
Well-Known Member
What do you propose should be done to get reassurances about the future of our club?
Astute
Well-Known Member
It isn't as simple as some saying about 'those sticking up for SISU'
We need answers and we need them ASAP. Not reasons for SISU not to give us answers like not enough answers have been asked of all sides. We have been asking the questions about the new ground for nearly two years now. How much do we know? Yet some are trying to make out that it is as important to find out about things that have just happened as much as something we should know by now. Something that will determine the near and mid future of our club. Is it as important to get answers that we more or less know the answers to where the future can't change? We should be fully together in trying to get the answers to what we have been asking for nearly two years now. Not stupid arguing amongst ourselves on why they shouldn't reply to the letter.
I suppose we should all say that we will do something and then do nothing?
So what is your problem with trying to find out which direction they are going to take our club next? We more or less know that SISU will not reply, but how much longer should we sit back and let this disaster continue whilst the majority of us sit by and watch? I can understand why some are wanting questions asked by more than SISU. But there is no reason for anyone to question answers wanted about the future as it is now for our club. This new ground has been talked about for two years now. And how far have we got other than a couple of pictures? The trust letter needs to be the start of the questions. SISU should either let us know what is going on with this new stadium or get Fisher to shut his mouth and try and make the best out of the disaster of a situation of which it has become.
Its not about doing something or nothing - its about doing the RIGHT thing. Open letters like this just enflame the situation. This letter appears out of nowhere, is NOT the view of the 2000 members of the trust , will be ignored and we are no further on.
Go to do better than that. Why not a complete boycott of one game at the Ricoh now?(apparently it was so succesful at Northampton) Show our displeasure at Wasps/SISU - what about activity at Wasps game? Dont see any protest planned for that?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Have you a better idea? For instance protesting at games? :thinking about:
I thought the principle was great. Instead of just speculating on where SISU stand, just ask them. Give them a deadline ( politely ). If they don't reply by the deadline, then they have shown they don't care what the largest group of customers think of them. CCFC have appointed 2 stooges and will probably only Deal with them in the future as representatives of the fans - as they won't ask them awkward questions. The Trust shouldn't hold their breath.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So what game was there a boycott at?
And here we go again. Attack the Wasps move and not the cause of it. One of the causes of it was the constant crap about us moving to a new ground. So if we put all of our efforts into showing our displeasure of the Wasps move what could come from it? The deal is done. We need to aim at what we can do to secure our clubs future. Can we help SISU in any way? How will we ever know if they don't tell us anything.
Rusty Trombone
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We know we haven’t done enough to communicate with you. We want this to change. We promise to share as much as we can about what is going on.
We are all passionate about the club becoming an essential part of the Coventry community, determined to secure its long term future and build a team that continues to make us all proud for generations to come.
- Joy Seppala & Tim Fisher
Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...rters-110714-1745484.aspx#CGpqQ9RQu236P0B0.99
We are all passionate about the club becoming an essential part of the Coventry community, determined to secure its long term future and build a team that continues to make us all proud for generations to come.
- Joy Seppala & Tim Fisher
Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...rters-110714-1745484.aspx#CGpqQ9RQu236P0B0.99