don't be silly, you surely understand better than that.
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don't be silly, you surely understand better than that.
Nick
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of course they do but each request is going to be different, the suggestion that a FOI request costs a couple of hundred is ludicrous, some of them will, some of them will cost much more, some much less.
If it requires one person to read a letter, check through a few files, respond to the letter using much of a template and then post a response, it probably costs about 20 quid, however that 20 quid is mostly in wage costs that would have been paid anyway, so in many cases the real cost is about a quid.
Nick
Administrator
I was going by average costs... They may well be less, but I was just going by average like Google said (I did state that).
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research/foi/countries/cost-of-foi.pdf
I am no expert, I am not claiming to be either hence I am asking about.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research/foi/countries/cost-of-foi.pdf
I am no expert, I am not claiming to be either hence I am asking about.
yes but my point is that using an average cost for something that has wildly different requirements is ludicrous, especially when its incredibly obvious that these requests are nothing like difficult to respond too.
That's the trust's fighting fund gone then. Everyone's pound put to good use for information which has been plainly obvious for over 18 months now.
Nick
Administrator
It isn't the trust paying it, it is the tax payer (according to google).
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/foi-requester-cost-taxpayer-23000-x.19475391
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/foi-requester-cost-taxpayer-23000-x.19475391
It is the tax payer, the trust have now cost the tax payer a few minutes of each councils time and the price of printing the letters and posting them, shocking. But you've got to keep up the sisu defence making the other side look bad at every opportunity.
Nick
Administrator
I am not defending anybody, I could have told you the answers to the FOI before it was even sent
But if you say it is the price of a letter and then posting them you must be right and all the links I have posted saying otherwise are wrong.
skybluetony176
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Come on. This is multiple times worse than costing the taxpayers thousands and thousands in defending expensive litigation. Only a council appologist would think otherwise.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Come on. This is multiple times worse than costing the taxpayers thousands and thousands in defending expensive litigation. Only a council appologist would think otherwise.
How much taxpayers money has been spent?
Nick
Administrator
Come on. This is multiple times worse than costing the taxpayers thousands and thousands in defending expensive litigation. Only a council appologist would think otherwise.
Didn't SISU pay for the councils fees?
Could be worse, it could be thousands and thousands to a PR company I guess.
Nick
Administrator
All the legal fees by SISU wasn't it? Oh and then the council workers time which would have been paid anyway
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Come on. This is multiple times worse than costing the taxpayers thousands and thousands in defending expensive litigation. Only a council appologist would think otherwise.
That will be me then
I am not defending anybody, I could have told you the answers to the FOI before it was even sent
But if you say it is the price of a letter and then posting them you must be right and all the links I have posted saying otherwise are wrong.
I guess I was giving you too much credit when I said not to be silly and you understand better than that.
none of the links you posted remotely suggest that these requests are expensive.
Nick
Administrator
Can you post me one that says each request is just done by a temp in an office on minimum wage within a couple of minutes and then posted out then? To be fair you could be right about them being done like that at CCC, hence they don't send them out correct
I am always happy to be corrected on anything I post. (which does happen a fair bit so I have to be
)I am no expert on it, I don't claim to be I just found a document giving the average price for a FOI....
Grendel
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skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Didn't SISU pay for the councils fees?
Could be worse, it could be thousands and thousands to a PR company I guess.
Plus countless hours in time and effort. Still its not like the council have anything else better to do.
Nick
Administrator
They are being paid any way so what's it matter? That's not my logic by the way and I'm not saying this causes more disruption than a court case either...
Can you post me one that says each request is just done by a temp in an office on minimum wage within a couple of minutes and then posted out then? To be fair you could be right about them being done like that at CCC, hence they don't send them out correct
I am always happy to be corrected on anything I post. (which does happen a fair bit so I have to be
I am no expert on it, I don't claim to be I just found a document giving the average price for a FOI....
I don't disagree that the average price of an FOI request is £300 or whatever the link says, but that number is utterly meaningless when wondering how much these FOI requests cost. It's incredibly obvious that these requests cost almost nothing, it's an easy question for them to answer, Your link says that 5% of FOI requests amount for 45% of the costs and that the average foi request takes 8 hours to deal with. You can't possibly think these took anything more than a few minutes
no I won't. All they had to do was read a letter, find out the answer to a simple question they almost certainly already know the answer to and reply to the letter, it's 30 mins job at the worst. The actual cost will include that persons time so it's quite possible they would consider it about £20.
Nick
Administrator
So you don't know how much? I don't doubt there are some that take weeks and cost thousands abd thousands and I'm obviously not saying these did...
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
So would you rather council employees were spending their time and effort on SISU or child services?
Grendel
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Grendel
Well-Known Member
Oh don't be stupid.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Aside from the fact I wasn't asking you, you started it.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
If you seriously think that anyone involved in child support services will be involved in preparing legal background work to defend against a judicial review you are stupid.
Nick
Administrator
Of course..... Although bringing child services into it is a bit harsh isn't it? Especially with cccs record.
(Of course I don't, I think child services should be one of the things at the top of the list)
Of course not, I don''t know what each member of staff is paid, what they pay for postage, electricity, paper.
It's like posting the average professional football salary is 1 mill a year and we have 25 players so ........
anyone with any sense would point out that there is no way we are paying anything like that and this is the case here too, these are simple requests and you should not be inferring that an average cost is at all relevent when that number is pushed up massively by the expensive ones.
yes I know they were nothing like £300 each. I don't know the exact cost and never for a second suggested I did.
I don't understand you guys at all, am I really giving you too much credit when I assume you don't believe the nonsense you are spouting? I give up it's like trying to have a reasonable debate with a toddler.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
So what you're saying then is that it does matter what these people who are being paid anyway are being paid to do. I'm glad I could help you see sense. You're welcome.
I would hope that dealing with SISU would be at the bottom of any sensible persons list of what local authority employees should do next.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Not as stupid as someone who would assume that's what I said from what I actually said. Like I said, you started it.
Nick
Administrator
When I said they are being paid anyway I was referring to a post earlier on on the thread
Nick
Administrator
I think they would be under average also. I don't know how much they are which is why I had a look.
Why is it like debating with a toddler? I looked into it, found averages and like I said I expect them to be under the average. I don't expect them to be just done by the admin girland sent out, there will be checking to do, researching to do, asking to do you get the answer... Not just the price of a stamp is it? Won't they need to be signed off before going out too?
Like I said I don't know exactly how they work but you obviously do, like you knew about the rental deal going back up yesterday when you were correcting people incorrectly then?