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What got us back from Northampton.. (7 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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Nothing to do with Wasps buying the Ricoh then?
I'm not sure I get this argument. According to many of the same posters that peddle this line also say it was a 100% done deal. So how has bringing the club back changed that?
Personally I think it was a combination of things including media pressure (thankyou Simon), NOPM, the dean of Coventry and maybe even pressure by the FL behind the scenes. But anyone suggesting that NOPM played no part IMO most likely have a guilt complex.
covmark
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Your infatuation with Simon Gilbert is cringeworthy.
Ooh thanks Simon. Get a fucking grip and try and wrench your tongue from his arse.
Skyblueweeman
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Wasn't it the Vic?
SkyBlueSid
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I believe the major factor was simply that about 90% of fans simply refused to go to Sixfields. Had Fisher been right and 3000-7000 turned up then they would not have been bothered. Even at £9 a game most people weren't tempted. Fisher, as usual, was completely wrong.
It was a victory for the fans, but has turned out to be a hollow one as the heart of the club was destroyed in that spell in Northampton. Like getting back with an old girlfriend, it never really works the second time, it's just not the same.
It was a victory for the fans, but has turned out to be a hollow one as the heart of the club was destroyed in that spell in Northampton. Like getting back with an old girlfriend, it never really works the second time, it's just not the same.
skybluetony176
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Only someone infatuated would say that so I'll be straight with you. I'M NOT INTERESTED!
Kingokings204
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Completely agree. Nopm definitely had an impact. How much we don't know but if 7000 fans had turned up then we wouldn't be back now. The fans won as they always do. Without fans football and clubs are worthless.
Wasps deal was pretty much a done deal so I don't see how this would of got ccfc back especially when it has made no difference anyway. Not like ccfc came back and got the Ricoh was it?
So yes imo nopm was the main factor to getting the club back and anyone who thinks it didn't make a difference is in a touch of denial for our beloved owners.
It still makes me laugh i know a season ticket holder at sixfields last year and his protest was to still go every game but wear his away shirt to every game at sixfields. So he knew it was a bad move killing the club but decided to wear an away shirt as his protest. Makes me laugh tbh.
Moff
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dongonzalos
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I feel we needed to get our asses back quick sharp on a very good rental deal. That may not have been offered by Wasps once they took over.
The council were able to say CCFC is part of the deal with us already in there.
Not so easy to say when we are in Northampton refusing to come back.
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Moff
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Blimey not only was it awful playing there, but I didnt realise we changed our name as well. Bastards!
dongonzalos
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However saying that I do think people not going to Northampton influenced that. I guess the club were prepared to risk suffering the losses whilst they thought ACL were also suffering losses. However the wasps deal would have led to just the club suffering losses.
I think if Northampton had Sold out each week. The club may have considered staying there fir 5 years to see if wasps struggle.
I think if Northampton had Sold out each week. The club may have considered staying there fir 5 years to see if wasps struggle.
Kingokings204
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I read the ccfc plan yesterday and interestingly it stated quite clearly the rental deal back at the Ricoh is less than 10 percent of the old rental deal. So let's do some math:
It was 1.2m a year so 10% is 120k so the current rental deal is less than 120k so let's say 100k a year that's very good and it also states we have access to some revenues that we didn't get before so 100k with certain revenues sounds a bloody good deal to me and if we have got this for the next 4 years then that's a good deal for the club.
Either that or die in Northampton bit of a no brainer.
It was 1.2m a year so 10% is 120k so the current rental deal is less than 120k so let's say 100k a year that's very good and it also states we have access to some revenues that we didn't get before so 100k with certain revenues sounds a bloody good deal to me and if we have got this for the next 4 years then that's a good deal for the club.
Either that or die in Northampton bit of a no brainer.
Ian1779
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Which is an even better deal than what Sixfields was. If ACL had offered this in the beginning AND not rejected the CVA I believe we never would have left.
Hobo
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Nothing to do with Wasps buying the Ricoh then?
it was the lack of revenue coming in and SISU couldn't finance the short fall as they had promised.
If you believe the SISU line about building and financing a new stadium and the reasons for moving to Northampton, they could have stayed there, especially with Wasps taking over the Ricoh.
Nice try Nick, but the reason they came back was because they totally miss read the market and got their sums wrong. They were trying to distress ACL thinking they could get the Ricoh for next to nothing. Wasps moved in and stole the trophy, because they knew its value and potential.
Now SISU are left with the reality of how to purchase land big enough and suitable for a sporting complex. It is compounded by the fact the location needs to be able to support other businesses and revenue streams. Without this SISU won't get the outside investment they need and they do need it as they haven't got the money themselves.
If they had the money, they would have bought the Ricoh along time ago, as it has all the above. They took a huge risk without the safety net of having land already in place.
CCFC are now in a coma induced by SISU, just enough sustenance to keep us alive.
Kingokings204
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I agree but then I would want to cry. I think we all know the whole Northampton debacle could of been avoided.
Another math exercise:
Initial rent deal at Ricoh £1.2m with insignificant match day income.
One year in Northampton at £150k rent minus probably £2m in lost profit from ticket and shirt sales ... total cost about £2m give or take.
That opened up for 4 years at the Ricoh at £100k rent plus access to match day revenue - let's say total match day cost is now down to £50k.
Total saving since leaving Ricoh and the next 4 years is (4x£1.2m org rent deal) minus (£2m cost last year + £50kx4 rent next 4 years) = £2.6m.
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Jack Griffin
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They lost the good will of thousands of fans by moving to Nothampton, PRICELESS!
But fans are fickle - most will come back when the team perform. Remind me how many were at the first game back?
Philosoraptor
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Losing a good proportion of the fan base and advertising revenue, making anything to do with SISU toxic: Priceless
letsallsingtogether
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Too much noise from the hill gave fisher a headache. Lol
Philosoraptor
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People just beat me to it...
The advertising value diminished when we were relegated to L1. I think ACL were the biggest loser in that department when the club left - think new sponsor deal.
Philosoraptor
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I do agree with you that advertising would go down with a drop of division but how many business's from Coventry now use the CCFC brand after what has come to pass.
chiefdave
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I don't think it was NOPM or any intervention from the FL as either of those would have led to a move back during the close season. We certainly wouldn't have been paying for a new pitch at Sixfields if there was any thought of coming back.
The timing seems to indicate it is connected to the Wasps purchase of the Ricoh so either CCC / Higgs / ACL did something drastic to get the club back as it was a requirement for the deal completing or SISU got wind of what was happening and got back ASAP for fear of any offer to return disappearing after the takeover.
The timing seems to indicate it is connected to the Wasps purchase of the Ricoh so either CCC / Higgs / ACL did something drastic to get the club back as it was a requirement for the deal completing or SISU got wind of what was happening and got back ASAP for fear of any offer to return disappearing after the takeover.
Samo
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Yeah pretty much agree. I think SISU knew by then that the battle was lost anyway. If NOPM had any bearing at all it was simply that at that point, with nowt left to fight for and the door possibly closing, why not come back and benefit from larger gates.
torchomatic
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I think that if NOPM was the main catalyst then it would have happened a lot earlier. Have to agree with CD, it was probably Wasps coming to town that did it.
Nick
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That's what I mean.
Surely if it was NOPM and people staying away they would have just done it in the close season rather than suddenly rush back with a week's notice which makes me think it was something a bit more drastic.
I doubt that would have just thought one day after a year of being there, "shit, nobody is coming we best go back?"
Nick
Administrator
I don't doubt that lack of funds would have come into it, but if it was May why didn't we move back close season and suddenly try and rush it within 2 weeks after the season started? It could well be just piss poor planning from SISU, it just doesn't make sense.
It would give them June / July to get the move back sorted, the "we are home, buy a season ticket" type stuff.
letsallsingtogether
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Why?
It takes time for something like NOPM to work.
I Think they thought it was just a short term thing and that we would all come back.
As usual they were wrong not surprising really they get fuck all right.
Nick
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why would it just be all of a sudden though? surely they could have seen they weren't making money from the first week / month they were there. Why would they wait and play 3 games in Northampton and then move back when they could have just done it in the close season, had a bit more of a buzz, sold more season tickets, had Cardiff at the ricoh which would have made a bit of money.
I don't get why all of a sudden with that timing they would have thought "shit, we arent making money, best rush back immediately"
Surely they would have been monitoring how much money they were losing on a regular basis and not just opened up their internet banking after a year and thought "shit, best get back now!"
Isn't it a bit too much of a coincidence that we rush back out of the blue after losing money for months just as it comes out Wasps were taking over? Surely that stands out to people?
I don't really know Nick .
When did the JR judgement come In ,when do the league do their analysis of financial stability of clubs prior to the new season IE ensuring
viability /no failures mid season .
It will be a combination of factors won't It?