Back in court - July 7 (2 Viewers)

[Terry Gibson's perm]

What a total waste of time and money these appeals seem to be and as a tax payer I wish Seppala and her cronies would stop costing us all and keeping real cases from the courts.

 

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[dongonzalos]

What dates the appeal for this rejection? Is it the European courts that have to reject next or is it the other JR that was put on hold that has to follow the path of failure.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You don't approve of the appeal system?

In fairness there was a thread on here a few weeks ago where the majority were saying it was wrong to appeal against the decision of a court.

 

[Kingokings204]

In fairness, there appeal has been rejected twice since then. If they keep putting themselves back in the system?

When will people learn? If you are going to watch ccfc play you are paying the legal bills whilst getting less product and entertainment on the pitch. Yes we all want to go and watch them and support them but these owners only understand money. They don't give a toss if you go or not. The people who do go are only funding legal bills. Do we not all agree that? Yes we pay wages but that's small fish and with loans and then being shorter and shorter loans we don't have a product.

I never thought I would say it but nopm at the Ricoh is the only answer. To quote the CT "we can only bleed if we have got blood" if we starve sisu out they will be gone quicker than we hope. Look at Northampton. Nopm did get us back home or certainly helped.

It's short term pain for long term gain. Put up with sisu for another 6 months max if no one goes or put up with sisu for another 2-3 years of appeals etc with crowds of 5k in league 2. Your choice.

 

[bigfatronssba]

When will people learn? If you are going to watch ccfc play you are paying the legal bills whilst getting less product and entertainment on the pitch. Yes we all want to go and watch them and support them but these owners only understand money. They don't give a toss if you go or not. The people who do go are only funding legal bills. Do we not all agree that? Yes we pay wages but that's small fish and with loans and then being shorter and shorter loans we don't have a product.

I never thought I would say it but nopm at the Ricoh is the only answer. To quote the CT "we can only bleed if we have got blood" if we starve sisu out they will be gone quicker than we hope. Look at Northampton. Nopm did get us back home or certainly helped.

It's short term pain for long term gain. Put up with sisu for another 6 months max if no one goes or put up with sisu for another 2-3 years of appeals etc with crowds of 5k in league 2. Your choice.

I am not particularly in favour of any sort of organised Nopm campaign this time. It will be unnecessarily divisive with very little benefit. Crowds are plummeting anyway now (season ticket renewals will be non existent IMO), so ticket revenue will be very small, without any of the bitterness of the past.

 

[SkyBlueSid]

What dates the appeal for this rejection? Is it the European courts that have to reject next or is it the other JR that was put on hold that has to follow the path of failure.

Perhaps, for old time's sake, we may be drawn against Trakia Plovdiv's legal team in the first round at the European Court.

Wouldn't fancy taking on Bayern's lawyers in the second round though.

 

[Noggin]

What dates the appeal for this rejection? Is it the European courts that have to reject next or is it the other JR that was put on hold that has to follow the path of failure.

If they lose this it's over (well it would be if they hadn't started a new court case), for it to go to European courts, they need to win this one (which is just a right to appeal), lose the next one (the actual appeal), then win one of the next 2 or 3 (which will be rights to appeal like the one we just had and the next one), then it goes to europe (which is an appeal).

At least im 99% sure thats what the link from a legal firm said.

 

[Kingokings204]

I am not particularly in favour of any sort of organised Nopm campaign this time. It will be unnecessarily divisive with very little benefit. Crowds are plummeting anyway now (season ticket renewals will be non existent IMO), so ticket revenue will be very small, without any of the bitterness of the past.

Yes I know what you mean people are going less anyway and this number will fall below 5k especially in league 2.

The money being spent to watch the team in being used for legal bills and puts more people off going.

I want to go and support my team but I don't support legal action and appeal after appeal on endless pointless stuff.

 

[italiahorse]

Wasps will know by then whether they need CCFC or not.
If they are stable they might just run the lease down if they are not already.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

 

[jas365]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

Well we keep being told they batter people in court, not seen any evidence yet though.

Lets face it, i've got more chance of shitting in the queens handbag than SISU have of winning this appeal.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

You agree with appealing court cases now then?

 

[italiahorse]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

We'll be all gone by the time they sort it out.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

I'd like to see them win it if they're right. By the same token I'd like to see them lose if they're wrong. I think its called justice. I'm a bit odd like that but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Ashdown]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

Irrespective of whether SISU win, lose or draw, the real problem lies with the fact that the great majority are fully aware that whatever the outcome there will ultimately be no benefit to the football club who are on a downward spiral to oblivion.

 

[Intheknow]

Wasps will know by then whether they need CCFC or not.
If they are stable they might just run the lease down if they are not already.

CCFC provide Wasps with income. Wasps politically will not want to be seen to throw CCFC out of the Ricoh.

 

[italiahorse]

CCFC provide Wasps with income. Wasps politically will not want to be seen to throw CCFC out of the Ricoh.

I hope so.

 

[ccfcway]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

Well, if they win, they will go after compensation from CCC. Then they will begin proceeding on CCC deal with Wasps, meaning they will be taking on their landlords, resulting in a strained relationship at the very best...


As others have said, the only guaranteed loser in this is CCFC

 

[ccfcway]

CCFC prove Wasps with income. Wasps politically will not want to be seen to throw CCFC out of the Ricoh.

hmm. To be fair, if Coventry MP's can support CCFC not owning Ricoh, an out of town rugby team shouldnt have any problems at all

 

[Intheknow]

Well, if they win, they will go after compensation from CCC. Then they will begin proceeding on CCC deal with Wasps, meaning they will be taking on their landlords, resulting in a strained relationship at the very best...


As others have said, the only guaranteed loser in this is CCFC

It is rare for compensation to be awarded in a JR.

There can be no claim against Wasps by Sisu in my eyes. Privity of contract etc. don't forget, we are told that Wasps didn't have to exercise a veto over Sisu becoming a shareholder, AEHC simply sold to Wasps.

Final point, there is no way a court could even seek to unwind the Wasps deal, far too embedded now. And Wasps haven't moved to be anything less than 100% owners.

 

[Kingokings204]

Just to clear this up sisu are only appealing and appealing and appealing for one reason.

To save face. That's all.

 

[Jack Griffin]

It is rare for compensation to be awarded in a JR.

There can be no claim against Wasps by Sisu in my eyes. Privity of contract etc. don't forget, we are told that Wasps didn't have to exercise a veto over Sisu becoming a shareholder, AEHC simply sold to Wasps.

Final point, there is no way a court could even seek to unwind the Wasps deal, far too embedded now. And Wasps haven't moved to be anything less than 100% owners.

So what is the f****ing point?

Beats me!

 

[Thenose]

Final point, there is no way a court could even seek to unwind the Wasps deal, far too embedded now. And Wasps haven't moved to be anything less than 100% owners.

Correct, there is no magic bullet where the stadium ownership is reversed. The best SISU can hope to achieve is some material contract breach that would give them a route to finacial recourse against CCC.

 

[Kingokings204]

So what is the f****ing point?

Beats me!

To save face Jack. Ask any lawyers if you know any. Briefly outline the ccfc situation and where we are and all lawyers I've asked say the same. Sisu have to save face and lawyers make more money.

 

[Covstu]

I think it might show some more holes in the council/wasps deal which we all know wasn't really played with a straight bat. Apart form that (and the unsustainable costs) it solves nothing, we don't have the Ricoh and we need to move on.

 

[martcov]

I think it might show some more holes in the council/wasps deal which we all know wasn't really played with a straight bat. Apart form that (and the unsustainable costs) it solves nothing, we don't have the Ricoh and we need to move on.

Do we know that it was not played with a straight bat? I thought we didn't know anything apart from the result.

 

[Intheknow]

Correct, there is no magic bullet where the stadium ownership is reversed. The best SISU can hope to achieve is some material contract breach that would give them a route to finacial recourse against CCC.

What contract do Sisu have with the Council?

 

[Intheknow]

I think it might show some more holes in the council/wasps deal which we all know wasn't really played with a straight bat. Apart form that (and the unsustainable costs) it solves nothing, we don't have the Ricoh and we need to move on.

All we know was that each party hid behind NDA's. If I was a betting man, CCC would have gone to extreme lengths to ensure that it, legally, played a totally straight bat. Sisu had already bared its teeth, once bitten twice shy.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just to clear this up sisu are only appealing and appealing and appealing for one reason.

To save face. That's all.

I'd go with that. Someone is fighting for their "we batter people in court" reputation. Even though they don't win at any stage it show's they'll see it through to the end.

 

[ccfcway]

I'd go with that. Someone is fighting for their "we batter people in court" reputation. Even though they don't win at any stage it show's they'll see it through to the end.

but what is the end ?

genuine question, is it possible to batter someone in court if you kept appealing but losing and making it drag out over 5 or 6 years ?.

 

[Jack Griffin]

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[skybluetony176]

but what is the end ?

genuine question, is it possible to batter someone in court if you kept appealing but losing and making it drag out over 5 or 6 years ?.

Preservation of reputation. In some walks of life reputation is everything, perhaps being a hedge fund is one of these walks of life.

I think the "we batter people in court" line was an exaggeration. What was really meant is "we use the courts to batter people".

Given their self fulfilling reputation I'd suggest that the council were more than certain that they'd done nothing wrong and called SISU's bluff letting them have their day(s) in court.

 

[Astute]

I'd like to see sisu actually win a court case to see all the backtracking on this forum about how the truth is all that matters. No doubt the judge would have been chucked a backhander.

It seems that you have always wanted SISU to win a court case. The only backtracking I have seen so far was from those that said things like SISU would win, smoking guns and white elephants.

The problem is that the majority of those that you seem to enjoy having a go at on this subject are not as thick as you like to think. I live nowhere near Coventry and have not for over 20 years. There is no reason for me to want CCC to win any court case. Your problem with me has been me not seeing any way that SISU could win any previous cases and I don't see them winning this one. This doesn't make me pro CCC. It doesn't make me anti SISU although I don't exactly like what they have done to my club and us.

I want the truth to come out. But the angle that SISU keep aiming at seems to be watertight. The only thing they have won so far has been an appeal of an appeal. And how many millions has this cost them? They just seem to have reached a point of no return. No return to where we were when they took over. No return to being able to take over the Ricoh. No return of the money they put into our club and the legal system.

I understood why CCC let Wasps have the arena. I said at the time that I thought it was to try and stop the waste of time and money caused by SISU in the courts. And I still think the same. I still also think they are a bunch of cunts for doing so. It has seriously damaged our clubs future. The arena should have been our clubs future and could have been held onto until SISU had gone as they had been proved to be too hard to deal with. But this continuous litigation maybe shows for themselves that it was the right decision to make.

 

[Astute]

7th July 2015

Coventry Telegraph

"Pressley raring to go"

The court case of SISU v CCC which started today isn't detracting from SP pre season preperations. Steve Wagott confirmed "we have been working extremely hard over the summer to build a squad and ethos that will give SP every chance of a promotion push in League Two. We have scouts in place all over Scotland, Wales and Ireland looking for players who fits with SP ethos and the way he wants his team to shape up. We are delighted to have brought in the 17 year lad from Wigan on a 30 day loan, and hopefully look to get one or two more over the line before the season starts. The loss of Ryan Haynes was unfortunate, but his head was turned by Brentford and the £100k fee we received will be given to steve to strengthen the playing side of the squad. I am in touch on a daily basis with the Stadium group and we hope to have some news in the coming months regarding the purchase of land within the coventry area. We visited Weston Super Mare last week and were very impressed with the set up and its amazing what can be achieved with 100% of the revenues, which if we adopted that model here, SP would get 60p in the pound to invest in the squad. We acknowldge we havent been as open with the fans as they would have liked and that will change."

You had me there. Still not fully awake when I read it and missed the date. Thought I was reading last years statement until I was half way through :laugh:

 

[ecky]

7th July 2015

Coventry Telegraph

"Pressley raring to go"

The court case of SISU v CCC which started today isn't detracting from SP pre season preperations. Steve Wagott confirmed "we have been working extremely hard over the summer to build a squad and ethos that will give SP every chance of a promotion push in League Two. We have scouts in place all over Scotland, Wales and Ireland looking for players who fits with SP ethos and the way he wants his team to shape up. We are delighted to have brought in the 17 year lad from Wigan on a 30 day loan, and hopefully look to get one or two more over the line before the season starts. The loss of Ryan Haynes was unfortunate, but his head was turned by Brentford and the £100k fee we received will be given to steve to strengthen the playing side of the squad. I am in touch on a daily basis with the Stadium group and we hope to have some news in the coming months regarding the purchase of land within the coventry area. We visited Weston Super Mare last week and were very impressed with the set up and its amazing what can be achieved with 100% of the revenues, which if we adopted that model here, SP would get 60p in the pound to invest in the squad. We acknowldge we havent been as open with the fans as they would have liked and that will change."

Brilliant!!