Grendel
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Yes its gone from 58th to 51st in the League Tables this year -- well done. Almost as impressive as Ron's wage, crime and unemployment statistics.
Alan Higgs Charity Slams SISU over legal costs (15 Viewers)
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Yes its gone from 58th to 51st in the League Tables this year -- well done. Almost as impressive as Ron's wage, crime and unemployment statistics.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Don't make me name them all! You know who I mean. They are anything but balanced. If they were balanced, they would sometimes criticise SISU. They don't, until it's pointed out that they never do it-like FP did above and another did last week. I'd love to see them actually be critical of SISU with the vigour that they attack other parties with, but it will never happen because-guess what?-they're totally unbalanced.
"Overwhelming odds and overwhelming fanatasism."? What a total load of wank that comment is!
Grendel
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To be fair the chip on each shoulder makes you perfectly balanced.
bigfatronssba
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Just for grendal:
Average Wages:
Coventry
Rank 97 of 390:
Workers have a median annual
gross wage of £22,931
compared to the
UK average of £22,044.
http://www.cityam.com/206242/where-can-you-earn-most-uk-pay-london-much-higher-any-other-part-uk
Unemployment:
Coventry has a rate of 8.1% (which I'll grant you is above the UK average of 7%) but is lower than all other Midlands cities.
http://www.cityam.com/1410951149/how-high-is-unemployment-in-your-area
Crime:
The UK average is 6.57 crimes per 100 residents, Coventry is 4.78 crimes per 100 residents.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/crime-statistics-for-coventry-3217263
Why did you use a link regarding crime to prove my point for me?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-named-one-best-student-8173845
Average Wages:
Coventry
Rank 97 of 390:
Workers have a median annual
gross wage of £22,931
compared to the
UK average of £22,044.
http://www.cityam.com/206242/where-can-you-earn-most-uk-pay-london-much-higher-any-other-part-uk
Unemployment:
Coventry has a rate of 8.1% (which I'll grant you is above the UK average of 7%) but is lower than all other Midlands cities.
http://www.cityam.com/1410951149/how-high-is-unemployment-in-your-area
Crime:
The UK average is 6.57 crimes per 100 residents, Coventry is 4.78 crimes per 100 residents.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/crime-statistics-for-coventry-3217263
Why did you use a link regarding crime to prove my point for me?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-named-one-best-student-8173845
The Gentleman
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To quickly name 4 posters, Chiefdave, Duffer, Ashdown and Astute as 4 who have very critical of Sisu but have also been critical recently of CCC. Now the posters who I imagine SBK refers to and we know who we are talking about only ever really batter CCC. As I have said some like to put in the little I hate Sisu caveats but then only ever have a go at the Council. Some of them only really ever pop up when we get the threads about what the Council have or have not done like Godiva or Ian 1779. Also, do we really need people to redress the balance on some of the stunts Sisu have pulled?
Grendel
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You are more likely to be a victim of robbery, sexual attack, violent attack, vehicle crime -- but hey its low on anti social behaviour - I guess as all the anti social behaviourists are too busy molesting, beating up people robbing them or nicking your car.
The devil is always in the detail. Only one area in Coventry boosts wages to barely above minimum and we all know why that is.
Google tells me that to be correctly included as an interested party, the interested party must be directly affected by the claim. If the relief sought by Sisu is a ruling that the Council loan was state aid then Higgs are not affected?
if Sisu are trying to unravel the sale of ACL, can the judicial review look at the sale of the Higgs shares in ACL? I thought judicial reviews looked at the exercise of public law functions.
Samo
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You go right ahead and name them if you like, it won't make you any more right. You don't think those with a more balanced view are massively in the minority? You don't think the '100% SISU to blame' possy are blinded by hatred and cannot be objective? and there's no need to be rude, you'll upset Shmmeee.
Samo
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I think balance is always good in a debate, don't you? Otherwise its not a debate, just a lot of people ranting the same shit.
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The Gentleman
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I meant to include the engineering part of the university which is ranked 34 and yes, it is something to be proud of. In a world where everyone moans that things are getting worse, should a Coventrian not be proud that something like our Uni is getting better?
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Should indeed. Should also be proud that Warwick University is consistently right at the very top, too.
In the context of this thread however, it's worth pointing out that universities are evil corporate monstrosities nowadays however, and not particularly tied to the corporation running the city.
Samo
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I have noticed a change in Astute. Something must have got up his nose... maybe a wasp?
The Gentleman
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Not always. Sometimes things in life don't need balance do they. Take the Ched Evans threads on here, I would hope that most if not all posters think he is a c##t and I'm not comparing Sisu to him, just an example that we don't always need balance. Just the same as some of the things that Sisu/Otium have done don't need balancing. You can add to that about some of the things CCC have done also don't need balance but as I said in my previous post, those posters I mentioned have done that very well (not saying I agree with them all) but they balance it very well. We don't get the same from some of the people me and SBK are talking about.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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In my relatively short time on this forum this is one of the best posts I've ever read. Sums it up beautifully .:claping hands:
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Please, for the love of God please, for your on sake don't lump yourself in with SBK
Anyway, given you namechecked Godiva, I actually find their perspective kind of valuable. Sure, is mostly from the SISU perspective, but is always unfailingly polite, and their posts do allow for understanding.
Not sure it's entirely fair to link in with the ranting nonsense certain posters (RFC knows who they are
) come up with!
bigfatronssba
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The overall Coventry crime rate is significantly below the national average, whereas in those individual crimes that you have listed Coventry is only slightly above average, so you are deliberately putting a negative spin on it.
As for income levels being different across the city, well obviously they are. Do you think in other cities everyone earns the same? It is an average. Do you understand what an average is?
What do you hate Coventry so much?
The Gentleman
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What about Appleton - Tosser
Nick
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Adjusted it.
Nonleagueherewecome
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No, I won't name them, it's self-evident. I don't think there is a massive "100% SISU to blame" element on here-on the CT comments, sure. I can't stand the comment "blinded by hatred". You can hate SISU and still be correct when you say that they are by far the most culpable party for the mess that we are in!
Samo
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Please, for the love of God please, for your on sake don't lump yourself in with SBK
Anyway, given you namechecked Godiva, I actually find their perspective kind of valuable. Sure, is mostly from the SISU perspective, but is always unfailingly polite, and their posts do allow for understanding.
Not sure it's entirely fair to link in with the ranting nonsense certain posters (RFC knows who they are
Too late, he did! Idiotic by association. Sorry Gent!
Samo
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Hatred is a perfectly normal human emotion of course, but not one that inspires reason, even handedness, understanding or a good debate.
Rusty Trombone
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So Higgs have said 'There is a new action brought by Sisu against Coventry City Council in which the Trustees have been named as Interested Parties. This is factually incorrect and has no basis at all. We are neither directly nor indirectly involved in the time frame set out nor in the Decision (October 2014) of the City Council with which Sisu take issue.
The Decision concerns the loan from Coventry City Council to Arena Coventry Ltd. When this action was brought the Trustees were no longer anything to do with ACL as they had sold their interest in ACL'.
If this statement is all correct then they would be right not to want to be dragged into the matter, presumably no one has an issue with this.
The Decision concerns the loan from Coventry City Council to Arena Coventry Ltd. When this action was brought the Trustees were no longer anything to do with ACL as they had sold their interest in ACL'.
If this statement is all correct then they would be right not to want to be dragged into the matter, presumably no one has an issue with this.
Nonleagueherewecome
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What about a passionate reaction to injustice? That's hatred inspired by reason.
The Gentleman
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Please, for the love of God please, for your on sake don't lump yourself in with SBK
Anyway, given you namechecked Godiva, I actually find their perspective kind of valuable. Sure, is mostly from the SISU perspective, but is always unfailingly polite, and their posts do allow for understanding.
Not sure it's entirely fair to link in with the ranting nonsense certain posters (RFC knows who they are
To be fair, we are all here because we are linked by CCFC. Not all my friends are the same, some are shouty, some are funny, some can be dickheads, some are clever, some are stupid and on and on it goes. The reason we are friends is because there is something that we all like about each other in the same way CCFC links all of us together. I don't agree with everybody on here and enjoy arguing/debating (there you go Samo) with some of them but that wouldn't stop me sitting with them and having a beer (yes even RFC, well he does need a good talking to).
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The rate it's going, I think I'll be able to stand the entire crowd a round!
Samo
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Yes, and I'm all for that. I'm just suggesting that it is hard to have a conversation with someone who is constantly enraged. Yes it may be warranted but it makes people unreasonable. There is far to much ranty shouty shit on here and any challenge is met with a completely black and white Neanderthal anti SISU scream of defiance
Ian1779
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Didn't the sale to Wasps including the loan part happen before Higgs had to offer the 50% share to SISU...
Calista
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Sorry to revive this, but I can’t agree and it’s an important point. I genuinely don’t get the repeated claim that SISU offered more than Wasps.
Let’s just suppose for a moment that the judge was completely wrong, and SISU could actually have persuaded the bank to take a £10 million hit on the loan. Even in that pretend world, they fell short of Wasps. Yes, their initial offer in 2012 was more than Wasps ended up paying, but that offer was subsequently drastically reduced, AND it was subject to unacceptable conditions. How can you just wish the latter away?
Following due diligence, SISU did not wish to offer the price set out in the Indicative Term Sheet, being willing to offer only closer to £2m than £5.5m. This difference between the price SISU were prepared to offer and the price the Trustees were prepared to accept was (a) irreconcilable and (b) in itself, a showstopper …
… By the end of August 2012, SISU buying into ACL by purchasing Higgs Charity’s share was simply not an option: SISU were unwilling to pay anywhere near the option price, or anywhere near the price the Trustees would have found acceptable, for the 50% share; nor were they willing to give security for future payments that the Trustees, on advice, would have been willing to accept.
Ian1779
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I was actually referring to the later offer right before Wasps secured 100%.
EDIT: I take your point about the 2012 deal however.
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Nick
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Yeah the council side happened before the Higgs didn't it? Unless the Higgs are saying it was all pre agreed before?
Rusty Trombone
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Not sure whether Higgs are saying the loan terms were adjusted by the Council after they sold their shares, or whether Higgs as such weren't involved as it was ACL and the Council that made the agreement. I could agree with them if it's the first bit, the second is a bit more tenuous.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Yeah, and it's all "discussing Wittgenstein over a game of backgammon" with the anti-Council lot, isn't it? :sarcasm:
Neanderthal's, "shouty", "blind hatred"..you're a condescending quote machine tonight alright! I'm still not sure who you're talking about, though: maybe all these shouty screams of defiance get deleted before I get a chance to "hear" them? And you say that you don't know who I'm talking about. Quality debate, that.
dongonzalos
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Anyone slagging off a charity that has done nothing but good work in the city. In my opinion is a dick
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Well you know my thoughts I blame Sisu for everything BUT:thinking about:BUT:thinking about:BUT er,er no, sorry can't think of anything at the moment I'll have to get back to you.
Astute
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Why do debates have to come down to point scoring by some on here?
I don't like the idea of the charity losing money to the legal system. I don't like the idea of the local council losing money to the legal system. I don't like the idea of our football club losing money to the legal system. And yes this includes SISU.
The charity has done good work for the area. Loaning the money to CCFC has been a disaster all the way. The money lost by CCC comes out of taxes. And with all the cuts coming in there will be even harder decisions to make on where the shortfall comes from with the continued litigation. It seems like they will not get all the money wasted back however much they are said not to be at fault by the legal system. And CCFC/SISU. You either count them as the same or separate entities. Not pick and choose depending on what is happening this week. All the money wasted so far could have paid for ACL. Or it could have made the difference on the pitch. Could have kept us Wilson. We could have had hope which would have kept the attendances up. Not where we are now where we have STH's not turning up for games.
Or am I missing the reason why some seem to be celebrating 'sides' losing money in the litigation stakes whilst our club falls apart? :thinking about:
I don't like the idea of the charity losing money to the legal system. I don't like the idea of the local council losing money to the legal system. I don't like the idea of our football club losing money to the legal system. And yes this includes SISU.
The charity has done good work for the area. Loaning the money to CCFC has been a disaster all the way. The money lost by CCC comes out of taxes. And with all the cuts coming in there will be even harder decisions to make on where the shortfall comes from with the continued litigation. It seems like they will not get all the money wasted back however much they are said not to be at fault by the legal system. And CCFC/SISU. You either count them as the same or separate entities. Not pick and choose depending on what is happening this week. All the money wasted so far could have paid for ACL. Or it could have made the difference on the pitch. Could have kept us Wilson. We could have had hope which would have kept the attendances up. Not where we are now where we have STH's not turning up for games.
Or am I missing the reason why some seem to be celebrating 'sides' losing money in the litigation stakes whilst our club falls apart? :thinking about: