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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Just a few thoughts on the PR stuff that has been going on

I think it is pretty clear that the PR stakes have been raised recently by the daily articles concerning Wasps this week. There is a definite contrast to what is coming out of CCFC and that is partly the point I suspect. You could argue that there is some sort of bias one way or another but if a local paper (CT or Observer) are given a story then they are going to report it - they have column inches to fill. Most of these articles on either side are presented to reporters it seems

I think it is the content of the articles that is the important difference - and I am not going to really lay that difference at the door of any particular reporter. There is strategy behind the release of many of the articles.

CCFC articles tend to be about the football and struggle. There are more of them, CCFC even have a separate section on the front page of the CT website. They tend to be a report of say the managers pre match chat that is then repeated by breaking the same thing down in to bite size sections. Creating three or four articles essentially saying the same thing. There is little of substance that comes out of the club regarding off field matters and I think anything of such nature is very much controlled by the club directors/owner. In fact anything that does come out about off field matters is usually via the SCG and more often than not degenerates in to Trust bashing. Classic diversion perhaps? Divisive PR off the pitch begging for unity on it? The Club directors/owner simply do not want to talk about what they are doing off the field in substantive terms. Yes there is the five point plan but that has more holes in it than a colander. We are pointed to focus on the football. Not a bad thing really because we support CCFC the team don't we, not its owners and we are relegation threatened so that's where a fans support/focus should be. The perceived message from the directors/owners is a stubborn we are not for sale and we are building our own stadium just outside Coventry - we are give no recent clear statements from the owners and no clear plan forward for our club. They allow a void to exist, for divisions to fester it seems to me. The football right now is absolutely vital to our future, so rightly focussed on and yet I still get the feeling of being told "look over there don't look over here"

Wasps PR. The articles are clearly deliberate and timed. It is professional and well thought out. It portrays an openness and willingness to engage. They are seeking to embed their rugby team in to Coventry. They are positive, they say we are here to stay and now that we are not about to play second fiddle to anyone. And yet they focus more on the business than the team. There are messages there for potential investors, "we are successful and growing get on board". There are messages for the general public - "here is something sporting in Coventry succeeding" The articles are careful not disparage CCFC "we want you here its not us looking to move you out we are willing to spend to keep you here". And yet there would seem to me a clear undertow to what is being said. There is a feeling of don't mess with us you wont like it, yes we would like you here but not at any price. It seems to me that in addition to increased profile in the area what the Wasps PR has done this week is to cut off options for the CCFC owners - "if you go you go but it will be your decision not pressure from us, we can survive without you" One thing that is apparently clear is that Wasps owners are focussed on rugby, ownership of a L1 football team is not on the agenda - which will no doubt disappoint some but it shouldn't really be a surprise. Wasps are positioning themselves for the future - one of the purposes of PR

Some of the worrying things for CCFC would seem to be
- The club because of its previous disputes has devalued the PR it can get. Many are simply at the stage where anything said by TF/SW/JS is simply not believed
- that after a reasonably low level start Wasps are going for it in terms of their PR and activities
- that the Wasps PR machine appears to be slick, well organised and threatens the once cosy assumption that cov kids turn to their football team
- that some lines are publically being drawn in the sand in respect of the Ricoh
- that room for SISU to manoeuver is being restricted
- and that SISU's bluff is being called
- that weaknesses in the CCFC business and marketing are repeatedly laid bare without being actually pointed to.

Yes it is of course posturing by both sides but cant help feeling it is more positive by design for one side not the other

That all said I do think that TF/SW/JS have plans in the background to all this, usually when they are so quiet or focus is pointed elsewhere then they have something in the pipeline. I am wary of what might happen this summer. However there seems to be a clear difference between the two in the quality of the PR at this stage.

Final thought. Is it not time that an interview with Seppala was revisited?
 

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Nick

Administrator
Wasps also said it was vital to own their own stadium, is that pretty much ruling out CCFC renting from them also if they want to progress?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
Blatant PR. Why did SG and the CT let them do it? Constantly undermines the football club.


Just a few thoughts on the PR stuff that has been going on

I think it is pretty clear that the PR stakes have been raised recently by the daily articles concerning Wasps this week. There is a definite contrast to what is coming out of CCFC and that is partly the point I suspect. You could argue that there is some sort of bias one way or another but if a local paper (CT or Observer) are given a story then they are going to report it - they have column inches to fill. Most of these articles on either side are presented to reporters it seems

I think it is the content of the articles that is the important difference - and I am not going to really lay that difference at the door of any particular reporter. There is strategy behind the release of many of the articles.

CCFC articles tend to be about the football and struggle. There are more of them, CCFC even have a separate section on the front page of the CT website. They tend to be a report of say the managers pre match chat that is then repeated by breaking the same thing down in to bite size sections. Creating three or four articles essentially saying the same thing. There is little of substance that comes out of the club regarding off field matters and I think anything of such nature is very much controlled by the club directors/owner. In fact anything that does come out about off field matters is usually via the SCG and more often than not degenerates in to Trust bashing. Classic diversion perhaps? Divisive PR off the pitch begging for unity on it? The Club directors/owner simply do not want to talk about what they are doing off the field in substantive terms. Yes there is the five point plan but that has more holes in it than a colander. We are pointed to focus on the football. Not a bad thing really because we support CCFC the team don't we, not its owners and we are relegation threatened so that's where a fans support/focus should be. The perceived message from the directors/owners is a stubborn we are not for sale and we are building our own stadium just outside Coventry - we are give no recent clear statements from the owners and no clear plan forward for our club. They allow a void to exist, for divisions to fester it seems to me. The football right now is absolutely vital to our future, so rightly focussed on and yet I still get the feeling of being told "look over there don't look over here"

Wasps PR. The articles are clearly deliberate and timed. It is professional and well thought out. It portrays an openness and willingness to engage. They are seeking to embed their rugby team in to Coventry. They are positive, they say we are here to stay and now that we are not about to play second fiddle to anyone. And yet they focus more on the business than the team. There are messages there for potential investors, "we are successful and growing get on board". There are messages for the general public - "here is something sporting in Coventry succeeding" The articles are careful not disparage CCFC "we want you here its not us looking to move you out we are willing to spend to keep you here". And yet there would seem to me a clear undertow to what is being said. There is a feeling of don't mess with us you wont like it, yes we would like you here but not at any price. It seems to me that in addition to increased profile in the area what the Wasps PR has done this week is to cut off options for the CCFC owners - "if you go you go but it will be your decision not pressure from us, we can survive without you" One thing that is apparently clear is that Wasps owners are focussed on rugby, ownership of a L1 football team is not on the agenda - which will no doubt disappoint some but it shouldn't really be a surprise. Wasps are positioning themselves for the future - one of the purposes of PR

Some of the worrying things for CCFC would seem to be
- The club because of its previous disputes has devalued the PR it can get. Many are simply at the stage where anything said by TF/SW/JS is simply not believed
- that after a reasonably low level start Wasps are going for it in terms of their PR and activities
- that the Wasps PR machine appears to be slick, well organised and threatens the once cosy assumption that cov kids turn to their football team
- that some lines are publically being drawn in the sand in respect of the Ricoh
- that room for SISU to manoeuver is being restricted
- and that SISU's bluff is being called
- that weaknesses in the CCFC business and marketing are repeatedly laid bare without being actually pointed to.

Yes it is of course posturing by both sides but cant help feeling it is more positive for one side not the other

That all said I do think that TF/SW/JS have plans in the background to all this, usually when they are so quiet or focus is pointed elsewhere then they have something in the pipeline. I am wary of what might happen this summer. However there seems to be a clear difference between the two in the quality of the PR at this stage.

Final thought. Is it not time that an interview with Seppala was revisited?
 

Covkid1968#

Well-Known Member
I found myself wondering about what it was like to go to a Wasps game. So living in Leics I decided to get a ticket for the game for me, the lad and the daughter, if only to be able to have some banter down the local. I got a pleasant email talking about the importance of local support, which I responded to. Then I got a flag in the post to take to the game.....I tell you, these guys are masters at PR in comparison to City.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
"Blatant PR" To be fair torch with the SISU/CCFC record for PR and marketing gaffs it isn't hard to accomplish :thinking about:

also perhaps the balance of what sells papers is changing ...... it used to be CCFC sold copy ........
 
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torchomatic

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We've learnt some interesting stuff though:

They moved for money pure and simple
A club DOES need it's own stadium and 24-7/365 revenue
They lied about avoiding playing on Sundays and affecting CRFC and CCFC
They have no intention of sharing any of ACL with the football club
They have no intention of taking over the football club

Simon really is managing to drip-feed these daily PR pieces magnificently from a 40 minute phone conversation.
 

Monners

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Perhaps local papers should simply stop reporting any sport related stuff at all to keep everyone happy. Or at least help stop the wingeing

How about something on allotments or be keeping instead- discuss
 
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torchomatic

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No, this is blatant PR rather than your run-of-the-mill newspaper articles. Us being rubbish at selling ourselves doesn't really affect the tone that Simon has managed to achieve.

"Blatant PR" To be fair torch with the SISU/CCFC record for PR and marketing gaffs it isn't hard to accomplish :thinking about:
 

torchomatic

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No, these aren't "reports" though, are they?

Perhaps local papers should simply stop reporting any any sport realted stuff at all to keep everyone happy. Or at least stop the wingeing

How about something on allotments or be keeping instead- discuss
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

Well-Known Member
Blatant PR. Why did SG and the CT let them do it? Constantly undermines the football club.

I think you miss the point Torch.

There is a comparison between the PR coming out of Wasps and that coming out of CCFC.

I have some limited experience in dealing with the press - although admittedly, primarily trade press - and my experience is that if you give them a well written PR article, you've a good chance of getting it published.

Some of us have the view that the lack of PR from our club is due to 1) the lack of a credible story to tell and 2) the lack of credible people to tell it - others (while of course not supporting SISU in any way) prefer to blame the messenger.
 

RFC

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We've learnt some interesting stuff though:

They moved for money pure and simple
A club DOES need it's own stadium and 24-7/365 revenue
They lied about avoiding playing on Sundays and affecting CRFC and CCFC
They have no intention of sharing any of ACL with the football club
They have no intention of taking over the football club

Simon really is managing to drip-feed these daily PR pieces magnificently from a 40 minute phone conversation.

interesting that they are still 'papering' their games to the tune of 75% FOC tickets, wonder why when they've got to payback £14 million over 20, NOT 40 years??????????
 

Nick

Administrator
So Simon is writing pr for wasps as these pieces were from phone call interviews weren't they?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
interesting that they are still 'papering' their games to the tune of 75% FOC tickets, wonder why when they've got to payback £14 million over 20, NOT 40 years??????????

two questions. How do you know and evidence?

Just a thought but the 14m is an ACL liability that was being met prior to Wasps landing or CCFC returning. Since then ACL/Compass/IEC income has increased we are told certainly by the extra trade from sporting events (Wasps/CCFC) but apparently events etc too. Might suggest that ACL can afford to make the payments? :thinking about:
 

torchomatic

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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
in any case the point of the thread was to highlight how CCFC and Wasps handled/targeted/controlled their PR, how each was different and some of the possible effects.
 

Nick

Administrator
in any case the point of the thread was to highlight how CCFC and Wasps handled/targeted/controlled their PR, how each was different and some of the possible effects.
Oh I agree, we have seen for years our pr is shocking, whether it is handling moving to sixfields or promoting ticket offers.
 

rupert_bear

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Strange that people keep harping on about this 14million debt that needs to be paid back, of course it does, it's same as a mortgage and there will be an agreed payment each month or year until it is paid, it is called business. Shame our owners didn't have the same deal, they would then be earning from the Arena 364 days a year as they say they need to do hence the plan to build a new stadium and could even have been making a packet renting to Wasps rather than the other way round.
 

torchomatic

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Which is fine. However, it seems that the CT is helping Wasps' massively with their targeting and controlling of PR.

in any case the point of the thread was to highlight how CCFC and Wasps handled/targeted/controlled their PR, how each was different and some of the possible effects.
 

torchomatic

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Did you read what Richardson said?

“If you look at the Premiership at the moment the only clubs that make money are the clubs that own their own venue."

Strange that people keep harping on about this 14million debt that needs to be paid back, of course it does, it's same as a mortgage and there will be an agreed payment each month or year until it is paid, it is called business. Shame our owners didn't have the same deal, they would then be earning from the Arena 364 days a year as they say they need to do hence the building of a new stadium and could even have been making a packet renting to Wasps rather than the other way round.
 

torchomatic

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Absolutely. I don't remember them launching a campaign to save the stadium for the team it was built for? I don't remember seeing a van driving round with a hoarding on it fighting the decision.

Interesting how just before moving clubs was so wrong and a big campaign about it....
 

Nick

Administrator
Absolutely. I don't remember them launching a campaign to save the stadium for the team it was built for? I don't remember seeing a van driving round with a hoarding on it fighting the decision.
I wonder how sixfields would have fared if there were articles in the cet bigging it up every couple of days and trust members defending it.

I don't think people realise the power.
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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Absolutely. I don't remember them launching a campaign to save the stadium for the team it was built for? I don't remember seeing a van driving round with a hoarding on it fighting the decision.

You do recall that that team was owned by the company that installed Mr Fisher as CEO (at that time) and that he said that they had no intention of buying the stadium?

Or are you suggesting that the van should have been following Mr Fisher?
 

Ian1779

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I think people question (I certainly do at least) that when information is released by both clubs that one appears to be painted in a light that is positive and the other less so. In addition the statements from Wasps appear to lack any challenge from media outlets even when they contradict what was previously said.

CCFC should be challenged on what it says.. for example picking apart their 5 point plan. Equally I believe that someone should now be questioning Wasps about their apparent change of tack on certain points - some of the points Torch has raised.
 

Ashdown

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Interesting how just before moving clubs was so wrong and a big campaign about it....

Irrespective of the wrongs or rights of it, it's a done deal and with every month and support from the local populace they are cementing their place in CV6. Rugby as a game and industry is growing rapidly, money has taken over it of course to a degree, I can't see them failing when the Ricoh will be full of away fans from other clubs either. The big concern is for Cov Rugby initially and Cov City if Wasps feel they don't need their rental contribution and extra pie revenue and ask our idiot owners to go ahead and build their much publicised new stadium.
 

torchomatic

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I'm thinking more of this:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/coventry-city-fc-ownership-ricoh-7655374

Mmmm...22nd August. I'm sure SG did investigate those comments from West as surely they weren't dealing with Wasps in secret and saying the opposite in public, were they?

You do recall that that team was owned by the company that installed Mr Fisher as CEO (at that time) and that he said that they had no intention of buying the stadium?

Or are you suggesting that the van should have been following Mr Fisher?
 
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torchomatic

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Christ, the ink wouldn't have been dry on the article if it was Waggot or Fisher before FOIs were flying around like confetti.

I think people question (I certainly do at least) that when information is released by both clubs that one appears to be painted in a light that is positive and the other less so. In addition the statements from Wasps appear to lack any challenge from media outlets even when they contradict what was previously said.

CCFC should be challenged on what it says.. for example picking apart their 5 point plan. Equally I believe that someone should now be questioning Wasps about their apparent change of tack on certain points - some of the points Torch has raised.
 

martcov

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We've learnt some interesting stuff though:

They moved for money pure and simple
A club DOES need it's own stadium and 24-7/365 revenue
They lied about avoiding playing on Sundays and affecting CRFC and CCFC
They have no intention of sharing any of ACL with the football club
They have no intention of taking over the football club

Simon really is managing to drip-feed these daily PR pieces magnificently from a 40 minute phone conversation.

That is Simon's job. Fair play to him.

We now know where we stand ( unless it is of course a Fisher type " we don't posture " ). So, I am still not 100% sure, but we have to work on what they say - as the council had to work on what Fisher said, even if they had their doubts.

So the question is "what now SISU ?".
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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torchomatic

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I would be delighted to see the back of SISU and I back the club EVERY time not them. I'm not blinkered to the fact SISU have messed up royally, but neither am I blinkered to the other people and organisations who have also shafted us. The ones that, can't think of a better phrase "get away with it".

It's the hypocrisy I can't stand; our team moving owners are rubbish, their team moving owners are great, etc.

Still, as you say it would be a dull forum.

I can imagine that you were.

I'm really not trying to have a go - and I (genuinely) have no doubt that you'd be delighted to see the back of SISU - but I think that sometimes your (applaudable) love for the club can perhaps blinker you to the source of these problems.

Anyway, it'd be a dull forum if we all saw things the same way!
 

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