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City fans thoughts on cheap season ticket prices! (7 Viewers)
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Excellent Post !
Astute
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I know the feeling. I went to just about all home and away games. Then work started to get in the way. Then I started to work shifts. This got in the way even more. Then I moved away from Coventry and was doing shifts. Now this really got in the way. But if you would have said I would have gone to much less games than at the time when I hardly missed any I would have laughed at you. But as Sid says once you break the habit you find other things to do. Northampton did this to many. I still go to games but nowhere near as many as I used to. Instead of being very unhappy about missing any game I am just happy to go to one.
It wasn't just the actual timespan that we were away, it was that perception that this really could be for 3-5 years by what the hedge fund were saying and their insistence on continuing fruitless court cases. It was that they actually carried it through and could if pushed try and do something like that again !
chiefdave
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Skyblueweeman
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F*ck me....this is a bloody depressing thread! I'm not saying we should be lording it over the owners for doing something right at long last but with the prices and getting TM to sign, that's certainly a step in the right direction.
Some poster mentioned a bond that was set in stone was broken when we went to Northampton. Hardly set in stone then?
Another (might have been the same one) talked about the feeling you got as a kid when you walked to HR for a match and they don't get that now. Off course not, you're a bloody adult!! I bet you every nipper under 11/12 yrs old loves going to the Ricoh to see us play. They'll see things differently to us adults.
I get people not wanting to throw money at a sinking ship, I really do and I appreciate peoples finances are probably tighter than they've ever been. But for once, just once, there seems to be a little bit of positivity around the place. It's all we've got to cling on to!
Some poster mentioned a bond that was set in stone was broken when we went to Northampton. Hardly set in stone then?
Another (might have been the same one) talked about the feeling you got as a kid when you walked to HR for a match and they don't get that now. Off course not, you're a bloody adult!! I bet you every nipper under 11/12 yrs old loves going to the Ricoh to see us play. They'll see things differently to us adults.
I get people not wanting to throw money at a sinking ship, I really do and I appreciate peoples finances are probably tighter than they've ever been. But for once, just once, there seems to be a little bit of positivity around the place. It's all we've got to cling on to!
Terry Gibson's perm
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I said all year that I would not renew but have done it this morning, the price is now about the correct price it was far too expensive last year, I go as much to see my friends there as to see the match.
It is also my personal two fingers up to London Wasps and if the club move a reasonable distance I will go now but I did not go to Northampton.
It is also my personal two fingers up to London Wasps and if the club move a reasonable distance I will go now but I did not go to Northampton.
shmmeee
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Agree with your sentiment weeman, now is a time for positivity and support. I think others are giving pretty well thought out answers as to why this may be harder this time.
Got to say, comments like Nicks I find particularly unhelpful (though he's not the worst culprit, just the one in this thread). You're not going to bring people back to the fold by insulting them. If having a successful club is more important than feeding your superfan complex, then all should be made to feel welcome, not kicked for their allegiance not being strong enough ("where are all the armchair fans" "not set in stone enough" etc).
Like it or not Northampton did long term damage. Any way forward has to accept that and find a way to work through it, not keep the divides open. That includes the club as much as anyone else.
Got to say, comments like Nicks I find particularly unhelpful (though he's not the worst culprit, just the one in this thread). You're not going to bring people back to the fold by insulting them. If having a successful club is more important than feeding your superfan complex, then all should be made to feel welcome, not kicked for their allegiance not being strong enough ("where are all the armchair fans" "not set in stone enough" etc).
Like it or not Northampton did long term damage. Any way forward has to accept that and find a way to work through it, not keep the divides open. That includes the club as much as anyone else.
chiefdave
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Bet that bond will magically be repaired if we get to the 3rd round of the cup and draw Chelsea at the Ricoh.
That's just childish and pathetic. How many matches did you go last year ?
chiefdave
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So you think if we drew Chelsea at home the attendance wouldn't suddenly shoot up?
I probably went to around 5 home matches last season without going back and looking at the fixture list. I'd assumed we'd be in Northampton all season so volunteered to work a lot of weekends which I couldn't then change. Not sure what relevance that has to this discussion though as I didn't have a season ticket before we went to Northampton either.
Nick
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I didn't insult anybody or say anybody was a super fan, just pointing out the irony in the statement.
The relevance is that you often shoot down posters views who before Northampton had season tickets for decades and trivialise their apathy and disgust at SISU as people just looking for an excuse not to go. Of course there would be huge interest if a big club came to Coventry, that's just human nature. You seem to have a thinly disguised sympathy for our owners like a handful of others on here but you are hugely in the minority to the tune of 85%/15%. I could get over the dirty deeds of these sharks if some didn't keep making excuses for them and trying to blame almost everyone else including previously very loyal fans !
Nick
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Would SISU not be our owners if the big club came to play us or would people not be disgusted then?
I can totally understand the people who are disgusted so don't go, the people who think it is too expensive, the people who think we play rubbish so don't want to go. Just don't understand when it can change based on the opposition.
It isn't sympathy for anybody, if people are saying they won't go and watch us play against Fleetwood at home because they hate SISU or it is too expensive then surely it is the same if we played Chelsea? The same as when people did everything they could to not give SISU a penny, until we played Arsenal.
The fact it would be easy to get a massive crowd if we drew Chelsea at home doesn't make peoples reasons for not going the rest of the time any less valid, nore does it make anyone a hypocrit (I know you didn't say it did), if you want decent crowds you need a fanbase that want to go and support their team when it's cold and raining on a Tuesday night in February, not just ones that fancy taking in a game of football because its a top premiership team. If someone is shouting about being NOPM all the time and get tickets to Coventry Chelsea then you've at least got a reason to criticise but otherwise it's just a completely unhelpful comment.
The fact that people will fancy watching us play Chelsea doesn't mean their bond to the club has been repaired, I bet a very large percentage of the crowd reading the 2 team sheets Coventry Vs Gillingham last season would have struggled to know which was Coventry (if it didn't say at the top) and that will be even worse next year.
chiefdave
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That's total BS. I am no fan of our owners but support the team irrespective of who the owners are. The people I have issue with are those using SISU as a convenient excuse not to go. If people don't want to go because the football is shit or they have better things to do then just say that. SISU is just the latest in a list of excuses, we've had location of the Ricoh, parking, not going until the manager is sacked and so on.
If the bond had really been broken by being at Northampton they wouldn't be there for the first match back and wouldn't be there in the event we have another 'big' game.
Who are these 15% of supporters who favour SISU, I can only think of one.
Skyblueweeman
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He's right though Ashdown...
I don't know why it's difficult to understand, the more connect and love you feel to the club the more you want to go each week, the less important costs become, the less important it is that the team arn't playing well, the opposition is poor that the weather is crap, the less you know the players, the more you hate the owners and the direction the club has been taken the harder it is and the less willing you are to overlook it when the product is crap.
This is all normal human behaviour and critasicing it doesn't help, it just drives an even bigger us and them feeling that needs to be stamped out.
I didn't say 'Favour' ! And one swallow doesn't make a summer either. People going to a 'glamour' game doesn't mean they are suddenly happy with the clubs owners or recent tarnished history either. I think people should get behind the football club but I can also see why so many are wary of throwing money at these morons just yet, we haven't even got a semblance of a squad together for a start. SISU are not just an excuse either, they are proven liars and fortune seekers and time has shown us they couldn't really care less about CCFC.
I think a lot of people felt obligated to continue going to the football once they stopped enjoying it because you support your team through thick and thin and the team need us, Sisus actions, the Northampton move, the disconnect from the club and it's players has broken that feeling of obligation, the club simply hasn't deserved that level of loyalty and it will be very hard reintroduce it, until this bond and obligation is reintroduced the club are going to need to accept that other than a hardcore few thousand the rest are only going to go when they want too, when they are getting value for money (and the club absolutely deserve praise in that regard this season) when they think they are going to have fun and enjoy themselves.
The ticket prices, attempts to improve atmosphere and signing of TM are all positive steps towards making going up the Ricoh appealing again but there is along way to go to overcome the harm that has been done.
The ticket prices, attempts to improve atmosphere and signing of TM are all positive steps towards making going up the Ricoh appealing again but there is along way to go to overcome the harm that has been done.
Nick
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Like I said, I totally understand that.
My point is, does that suddenly change if we get Chelsea?
It isn't a them and us thing, I thought we were all CCFC supporters?
Skyblueweeman
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Ultimately though Noggin, isn't just a case of 11 players on a Saturday afternoon, wearing a Sky Blue Football kit representing the club/city? That's all that should matter.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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The season tickets are at a good price in my opinion mind you I would have got one anyway.
On the other points Northampton had a great influence on people not going now. One of the reasons I went on the hill was to keep some sort of connection with the club. Over the years I've seen my friends who had been regulars for years not go for whatever reason and then never go back found other thins to do.
On the other points Northampton had a great influence on people not going now. One of the reasons I went on the hill was to keep some sort of connection with the club. Over the years I've seen my friends who had been regulars for years not go for whatever reason and then never go back found other thins to do.
skybluetony176
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I love the CCFC is the only club in the world to have fickle fan's type posts. That's just football fans full stop. I bet even Man U, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. all have fans who only turn up when they're playing Man U, Chelsea blah blah blah.
That's football. Get over it.
That's football. Get over it.
I don't think you do understand my point because I was explaining why it changes when we get Chelsea.
Lets say you enjoy going to the cinema but the local cinema is £15 a ticket, only has one screen and the owner has a different taste in movies to you, the floors are sticky, the seats are uncomfortable, the popcorn is overpriced and there is often kids talking over the movie so when they are showing pitch perfect 2 you don't go, when they are showing the new starwars movie that is getting reviews better than the original trilogy suddenly all the crap that makes the cinema unappealing is outweighed by your desire to see the movie, you have a fantastic time but when they are showing Valentines day 2 well you aren't going back.
Yes we are all CCFC supporters thats my point, sarcy comments or worse directed at those who at the current time arn't enjoying going to the football but would be tempted by a premiership game isn't helpful and just increases the wedge that has formed between us all.
Astute
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But how many of them that turn up for games like that are not supporters of our club but turn up for the game? Then we all have to listen to the same question over and over again. 'Where did they all go?'
Astute
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We have many more reasons than most to be fickle but it isn't just us. Man U used to have a massive waiting list for a ST. I got asked if I wanted one a couple of years ago as they were available :facepalm:
For a huge number of people that is all that mattered untill that loyalty was pushed past breaking point, now the number of people for whom that is the case is down to a few thousand at best. You don't fix that by insisting people should feel that loyalty again, it doesn't work like that.
Crowds have always been a mix of those who go because it's alot of fun and those who are hardcore loyal to the shirt. The clubs actions has turned many of the later group into the former group and it's going to be very tough to fix that, honestly it takes years for many people, while the club is still headed by those that crushed the loyalty it will be even harder still even if they turn their actions around (and we have a long way to go before thats true)
Nick
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Then you are a star wars fan and not a cinema supporter. I would suggest if people are more interested in going to watch Chelsea play they should have a look at getting a season ticket there.
When people are giving it the moral highground like NOPM and making the point of going on internet forums and comment sections at every chance to say why they refuse to go as if it is an achievement. Then say that the loyal and committed fans will come back when we get a big game or start doing well, hence I pointed out it was ironic.
I was honestly baffled by the CCFC Supports comments about the cheaper tickets, I wonder what would be said if they put the prices up?
No one can really complain of the prices for this coming season, with the messiah now signed up and a top 6 finish on the horizon, we should be selling season tickets like hot cakes at 11 quid a game.
Ok piss take aside, we have a very good chance this season and its good value for money at 11 quid a pop, we need to start getting bigger attendances at home, but then again, football is an entertainment business and we have been starved of any form of success for many a season now.
If TM can start getting us firing at the Ricoh, the fans will come back, I am sure, its just a shame as Norwich is a good example of what can happen if the fans stick like glue to the club through the good and the bad ( ok they was successful in league one but you get my drift)
Ok piss take aside, we have a very good chance this season and its good value for money at 11 quid a pop, we need to start getting bigger attendances at home, but then again, football is an entertainment business and we have been starved of any form of success for many a season now.
If TM can start getting us firing at the Ricoh, the fans will come back, I am sure, its just a shame as Norwich is a good example of what can happen if the fans stick like glue to the club through the good and the bad ( ok they was successful in league one but you get my drift)
I thought you just said there is no us and them and we are all ccfc supporters, it's clear that isn't how you feel.
like I said if people are shouting about NOPM then you have a valid point to say hang on when someone decides to watch us play Chelsea, though people being willing to overlook their principles for something they really want to see is perfectly understandable, if they have been ramming those principles down others throats though then well they deserve some stick when they ignore them, but there is hardly any talk about NOPM since the return to the ricoh.
That comment is ridiculous of course it is, any reasonable person however much they hate sisu should agree.
The Great Eastern
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Next pay day, I return to the fold of being an ST holder. Getting TM on board was the crucial factor. I'd be amazed and delighted if we were up the top third of the table this coming season but I'm as sure as anything we won't be struggling. Blind faith maybe but it's time to turn this drifting ship of a club round and head back to better places.
Esoterica
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Was probably my comments you were referring to there, and I don't think you read or understood my posts properly. Not getting that feeling you got as a kid because we're bloody adults now WAS my point because if someone has lost their connection to the club, how will they get that back if all the magical stuff that formed that original connection is gone? And the answer is .....different for everyone, and for some it will be a longer process than for others.
For me the excellent prices and TM signing are the best thing to happen for several years but for some, as you mention, this will be just a step. Some will want to see us hold on to our academy graduates, some to sign 'quality', some will get the match packages and wait to be convinced by the product on the pitch and some will wait to see what happens til after next year's January transfer window to see if SISU really have turned that corner.
It shouldn't be depressing though - SISU don't even need to be sorry (I'm probably in the 15% with some sympathy not the 85%!) but as a club they abolutely must recognise and embrace that people are at different points and continue to build on the good things they are doing now, expand their work in the community and market the crap out of it.
And we should absolutely hope we do get Chelsea in an FA Cup 3rd round tie because as frustrating as it is to be in the minority who go every week, matches like that are what some people need to light the fire again. And if 250 people start going up more often again afterwards then it can only be a good thing.
Nick
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There is no us and them, people who go to watch because ccfc are playing are city fans. People who would only go to watch because Chelsea are playing are ccfc supporters too?
Football is an entertainment business, people want to be entertained, if we was top of the league even in league one, the Ricoh would be rammed, its a winning formula on the field of play is what CCFC fans want to see, even those who have walked away would be back in a heart beat if we was performing well winning football matches.
Nothing to do with FA cup games or a one off vs a big boy, consistency on the football pitch = more bums on seats.
Nothing to do with FA cup games or a one off vs a big boy, consistency on the football pitch = more bums on seats.
You still arn't understanding, I really don't understand how it's difficult to grasp. Other than the few thousand hardcore people go when going to the football is attractive to them, the more attractive the game the easier it is to overlook the negatives (and in fact it actually removes many of the negatives like the poor quality of the football and empty souless stadium), In this fictional scenario people arn't going because it's Chelsea, they are going because the product is now good enough to make them want to go. Lowering the price, seating more people together, signing TM will hopefully improve the product somewhat and attract more people, but there is still a long way to go to turn it around for many people.