New Ricoh deal? (10 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Perhaps you could post a link thanks

Read the article there is no suggestion there was any meeting planned other then in the schedule.

Osb has also suggested this is the likely scenario. Oddly you haven't asked for a link from him

 

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[SimonGilbert]

I certainly hope you're right when you say these things are coincidental but it does highlight an issue. Maybe something that needs to be brought to the attention of whoever is in charge of these things?

As the saying goes perception is reality. Those that don't attend will get the impression from that sort of picture that Wasps is sold out every week and nobody is turning up to see us.

Maybe before hitting the publish button there needs to be a few seconds spent thinking about what impression any article, picture etc could give.

Was the same on twitter during this weeks match. If you'd looked at the pictures of the crowd on the Telegraph feed you'd assume there was nobody there. Again it may not be deliberate but it wouldn't be hard to get a picture that makes it look at least vaguely busy if a bit of thought is put in.

Out of interest did you approach Wasps for the interview that led to these articles or did they approach you?

To try and give some more constructive criticism than the Telegraph is shit I think the frustration felt by some is that Wasps can say what they like and it doesn't appear to get challenged whereas when Fisher opens his trap FOI requests are flying in and independent experts being called up.

For example when Wasps published their prospectus they didn't seem to be challenged on the value of the Ricoh lease compared to what they paid for ACL and the 200 year extension. Similarly with the training ground plan, one year on and they've moved to it being in the C&W area with no actual site or any sign of progress at all and its not being built until the self proclaimed richest club in Europe get someone else to pay for it. Seems that Wasps don't get pushed for answers where the football club does.

Appreciate criticism in a balanced and constructive way.

Fully agree that more thought and time could go into image choices etc. The harsh reality is this, there are less and less of us all the time. We are under increasing pressure to deliver larger audiences and produce more stories. That means, from time to time, things slip through the net. Hopefully nothing major, but possibly things that unintentionally leave the wrong impression.

I approached Wasps for the latest interview.

I also don't quite accept that we fail to challenge Wasps. If you look back through coverage of the bonds situation, and the move in general, it would be hard to dispute we have offered more challenge than any other outlet. I'd certainly like the time and space to challenge more, but the days of being able to spend weeks on a story are long gone I'm afraid.

And frankly any notion of conspiracy is tiresome and cringeworthy. To start with, there aren't enough of us to conspire! And if we decided to try and organise a mini-conspiracy (although I still don't understand what people think our motives would be) we wouldn't have the time!

 

[SimonGilbert]

The glib comments are noted. Keep treating your potential customer base with this approach.

It's a winning style.

Potential customer base? Nobody reads the Telegraph anymore do they?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Read the article there is no suggestion there was any meeting planned other then in the schedule.

Osb has also suggested this is the likely scenario. Oddly you haven't asked for a link from him

So when it suits you,you believe what the CET publish or not if it doesn't suit?
Why would I ask for a link from OSB he doesn't try to wind people up never asks for links. Oh and isn't bent double like yourself

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Appreciate criticism in a balanced and constructive way.

Fully agree that more thought and time could go into image choices etc. The harsh reality is this, there are less and less of us all the time. We are under increasing pressure to deliver larger audiences and produce more stories. That means, from time to time, things slip through the net. Hopefully nothing major, but possibly things that unintentionally leave the wrong impression.

I approached Wasps for the latest interview.

I also don't quite accept that we fail to challenge Wasps. If you look back through coverage of the bonds situation, and the move in general, it would be hard to dispute we have offered more challenge than any other outlet. I'd certainly like the time and space to challenge more, but the days of being able to spend weeks on a story are long gone I'm afraid.

And frankly any notion of conspiracy is tiresome and cringeworthy. To start with, there aren't enough of us to conspire! And if we decided to try and organise a mini-conspiracy (although I still don't understand what people think our motives would be) we wouldn't have the time!

I don't think there is a conspiracy per se but I do think there is a bias towards Wasps over CCFC, probably unconscious and the telegraph just like there shiny new toy to play with. Classic Buzz Lightyear and Woody scenario from Toy Story 1.

 

[skybluetony176]

Read the article there is no suggestion there was any meeting planned other then in the schedule.

Osb has also suggested this is the likely scenario. Oddly you haven't asked for a link from him

Is this the same article you've said is full of lies about what Chris Robinson said about SW's contributions to our return home or is that a different article? Maybe the CT writes some articles as a tissue of lies and others are factual and you've worked the pattern out. You being so clever and all that.

 

[chiefdave]

Potential customer base? Nobody reads the Telegraph anymore do they?

It's all gone downhill since they stopped the Pink! Remember queuing up for that every Saturday night, in the days before long opening hours the paper shops used to stay open late until it turned up and there'd be a queue of people waiting for it.

Moved out the city in 92 to head off to uni but every week my Dad would be sent to get it and post it to me along with bits and pieces out the weeks sports pages. He did that until they stopped it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The reference to Sixfields is out of context. It's scaremongering.
Yes, it's on the accounts because it's got a value but it should only be considered as a lifeboat should ACL fail and there are no takers.

If we ever planned to build a stadium the Ricoh will always be the best option over Sixfields and a 10 year deal (with opt out) is what needs to be pursued. A 10 year rolling deal would be better with some sort of formula for inflation/promotion/crowd numbers built in. In fact I would suspect the the FL would either want to see details of the new ground or a 10 year deal.

I like this Italia!

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

It's all gone downhill since they stopped the Pink! Remember queuing up for that every Saturday night, in the days before long opening hours the paper shops used to stay open late until it turned up and there'd be a queue of people waiting for it.

Moved out the city in 92 to head off to uni but every week my Dad would be sent to get it and post it to me along with bits and pieces out the weeks sports pages. He did that until they stopped it.

Gone all nostalgic now Dave - used to get really miffed if I couldn't get my hands on one, and oh the disappointment if you saw what you thought was one, only to find it was a copy of the Birmingham (Evening Post/Mail) whatever rag it was called!

 

[SimonGilbert]

It's all gone downhill since they stopped the Pink! Remember queuing up for that every Saturday night, in the days before long opening hours the paper shops used to stay open late until it turned up and there'd be a queue of people waiting for it.

Moved out the city in 92 to head off to uni but every week my Dad would be sent to get it and post it to me along with bits and pieces out the weeks sports pages. He did that until they stopped it.

Loved The Pink. Nothing better than watching the Sky Blues smash someone at Highfield Road with your dad, picking a copy up on the way home to read about the match you've just watched and then settling down to watch the match you've just watched on Match of the Day again!

 

[italiahorse]

The glib comments are noted. Keep treating your potential customer base with this approach.

It's a winning style.

Oh hark at Mr High and Mighty !!!
He's a journalist not the Pope.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

This is my favourite line: “Bigger crowds means more food and beverages are sold, but it’s not a big chunk of our profitability."
The more we buy at CCFC matches the more Wasps get. Hurrah!

This article might even bring those missing SBT members back.

The line that got me was (and apologies if anyone's quoted this already - not read the whole thread), 'and we'd like to welcome them here...'.

F&£k off...it's a stadium in our City. We don't need welcoming into a ground that was built for us.

Regardless of ownership, CCFC should not have to, or expect to be 'welcomed' to stay at the Ricoh by a franchise rugby club.

Un-fucking-believable.


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[Skyblueweeman]

At the end of the day, just because the CT doesn't have the same *ahem* bee in their bonnet about Wasps that you do, and you know probably wants to stay on good terms with one of the biggest sports teams in the city, doesn't mean it's bias.

If all you've got is a hammer (hatred of Wasps), everything looks like a nail (pro-Wasps conspiracy).

Sometimes it's just a news story.

What about staying on good terms with THE biggest sports team in the City?!

Just a thought like...


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[SkyBlueZack]

CET clearly show a bias. Even italia can see it! Lapped up the attention for the bring city home campaign which was started a year late. As people have said criticising sisu for moving us 35 miles yet applauding wasps for moving 80 miles. Ridiculous! Coincidental? I'm not buying that. The whole council wasps cet thing stinks! Legally all may be ok but morally and ethically its bankrupt. It's disgusting!

 

[Macca]

Much as I prefered HR I'd much rather play at the Ricoh than any current alternative so better stop crying and do a deal for the good of the club,

 

[stevefloyd]

Lets hope someone byngs some money here to take the sting out of the wasps and gives us a nestegg instead

 

[Astute]

It would have to be revenue - profit apportionment would be virtually impossible to calculate.

The costs will paid for by the club as match day costs.

So they can't work out all profit made from what the products cost, wages paid out and anything else that would be counted and take that away from the money taken over the counter but they can work out how much the products cost, wages paid out and anything else that would be counted so it can be charged as match day costs?

And you wonder why nobody takes anything you say seriously anymore.

 

[SimonGilbert]

Something else to throw into the mix:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/deal-give-ricoh-arena-new-10386353

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

For what its worth we need some one who wants to keep both teams under the same roof so to speak. It will be continually difficult when one team is always at the behest of the other, I know their is not a consistent supply of billionaires out their but that's what is needed. You might not like the egg chasers but if they could be bought along with the city under single ownership then that's the best way forward. Problem is sports what ever they may be is now all about ego and not about fans or the teams, its saying that you own a club that counts to most people. The one thing about the football model at the moment means that teams will eventually find their level due to their financial constraints and not the Abramovich factor. This is why I have said on another thread that a move away from the Ricoh is not a financially viable option for Sisu as we are running even at the moment and their not having to put money in. PUSB

 

[skybluetony176]

Something else to throw into the mix:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/deal-give-ricoh-arena-new-10386353

I'm going to join the conspiracy theory now. You mention that regular concerts will make sponsorship of the Ricoh more attractive but no mention of CCFC signing a longer-term rental agreement making sponsorship more attractive. I know that there is no deal to reference but it might have been worth pointing out.

 

[Captain Dart]

I'm going to join the conspiracy theory now. You mention that regular concerts will make sponsorship of the Ricoh more attractive but no mention of CCFC signing a longer-term rental agreement making sponsorship more attractive. I know that there is no deal to reference but it might have been worth pointing out.

Which is a bargaining chip, someone already pointed out that the footie crowds generate business for the bars & casino etc. Worth having n'est pa?

 

[italiahorse]

Something else to throw into the mix:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/deal-give-ricoh-arena-new-10386353

Scoop : Land Rover Stadium

 

[SimonGilbert]

I'm going to join the conspiracy theory now. You mention that regular concerts will make sponsorship of the Ricoh more attractive but no mention of CCFC signing a longer-term rental agreement making sponsorship more attractive. I know that there is no deal to reference but it might have been worth pointing out.

A longer CCFC deal would almost certainly increase the attractiveness to a sponsor.

However, Wasps have already secured acts to perform next year - they have not secured a long-term deal with CCFC.

But we did run a whole front page piece on how there might be a longer term deal at some point yesterday.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

But that was just a conspiracy wasn't it????

 

[skybluetony176]

A longer CCFC deal would almost certainly increase the attractiveness to a sponsor.

However, Wasps have already secured acts to perform next year - they have not secured a long-term deal with CCFC.

But we did run a whole front page piece on how there might be a longer term deal at some point yesterday.

Appreciate that. I just thought that it was worth pointing out in the article that if Wasps could secure CCFC's tenancy for the duration of the stadium sponsorship that would be an added value (as the secured acts are) to any potential stadium sponsor. Highlighting it as a reason for Wasps to get a deal done with CCFC. I made the point yesterday that CCFC's value is more than collecting the rent and taking a share of the F&B. Your article seems to confirm that by using concerts as an example, why not use CCFC as an example also. After all CCFC will play more gigs at the Ricoh than all the music acts put together over the course of the year surely that makes CCFC a bigger asset to a sponsor than a few gigs given that the stadium name will be mentioned every other Saturday in the media and even appear on live TV once or twice (maybe more, cup runs dependent) a year. Surely Stadium Sponsorship is about exposure? Surely CCFC can offer more of that than not just the gigs but also Wasps themselves, given that football is a far higher profile sport than Rugby? Even league one football.

Just feel you've missed the obvious angle on the story on this one.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Tony, just opinion is that of a CCFC fan and not someone who isn't already biased.

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony, just opinion is that of a CCFC fan and not someone who isn't already biased.

Biased to what?

To be blunt I think I'm just stating the obvious on this one.

 

[Moff]

Scoop : Land Rover Stadium

Scoop: Not

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Scoop : Land Rover Stadium

Sounds awful I think I shall just continue on calling in the Ricoh

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Biased to what?

To be blunt I think I'm just stating the obvious on this one.

You're a cov fan. I guarantee that anyone reading that as a non Cov fan wouldn't be telling the writer that he's written it from the wrong angle.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's true. All of it.

And the royal family are all lizards. That's an exclusive btw.

You are an embrassment, well suited to the CET.

 

[Moff]

Scoop : Land Rover Stadium

Sounds awful I think I shall just continue on calling in the Ricoh

Dont worry its just a figment of Italia's imagination.
He obviously knows before everyone else apart from Ricahrdson and Eastwood who have obviously tipped him off before the press. Wait a minute, no its bull ointlaugh:

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

You are an embrassment, well suited to the CET.

There ain't many people involved in anything other than the fan side that dare come on here. I can see why with twats targeting them like you.

 

[Nick]

There ain't many people involved in anything other than the fan side that dare come on here. I can see why with twats targeting them like you.

Doesn't that make sense for a fans forum that it's mostly fans?

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Aye, but why not have a bit of respect for people who may know a little more than us. They can quite easily walk away and leave us with a little less knowledge than we have now.

There was a lad who came on here, was Burge's mate. He got loads of shit and doesn't bother anymore.