Ryan Haynes for left mid (1 Viewer)

steve82 · Oct 19, 2017

Ryan Haynes could well be the man to solve one or two issues we currently have upon his return to full fitness but as a left winger not left back.

I believe he can give us a nice attacking threat down the left wing, and chip in with the odd goal or 4 over a season.

He's reasonably quick, athletic enough to run the channel all game and has shown he's the attributes to be a attacking threat last season getting forwards while getting his head up looking for the pass and putting dangerous crosses in good areas to attack

He had a far better assist rate than JJ and Kyle Reid last season, in the 23 games he featured in he helped with 5 assists in all competitions and scored 4 goals in a poor side low on confidence that struggled for goals.

A great example was in the 2-2 draw with Bolton, Haynes received the ball on the half way line. Skipped away from his man cutting inside 2 Bolton players on the edge of the box before slipping Beavon in to score.
(I'd do a 10sec GIF thingy if I knew how)

A switch to a traditional 442 will suit most the players attributes too and solve a few issues.

Skyblueweeman · Oct 19, 2017

I've not seen him play too many times but I do recall the spell not long after we returned to the Ricoh. If memory serves me correct, he was used in a more advanced position on the left and I have to say that at the time, I actually thought he was quite good out there.

MatthewWallis · Oct 19, 2017

To be fair a lot of times last season I remember Haynes looking like the only player capable of going past defenders and being our biggest attacking threat at times, not scared to go forward and attack.

Having said that, IMO Stokes has been dire this season and looks so slow. He is misplacing passes like there’s no tomorrow and looks petrified to go forward and attack. I’d play Haynes at LB as soon as he is fit

skybluepm2 · Oct 19, 2017

Would have him on the left ahead of DKE every single time. At least he has certain attributes that a winger can use such as pace and beating a man.

Defensively Haynes is a nightmare so if he’s going to fit into this team then that would be the position for me (even with Stokes being in such poor form).

steve82 · Oct 19, 2017

I'd persist with stokes, stokes isn't blessed with pace and JJ isn't offering any help so I can understand why he's reluctant to go forwards beyond JJ especially when you see grimmer do it on the right and JJ ignores Grimmers help most the time unless he's continue a stand still and the moves broke down.

With Haynes he can beat his man and whip a ball in near the byline like at Bury last year, Beavon again the profit of his work.

Pattern forming there.

Covrock · Oct 19, 2017

A lot of people slated him. He was/is a young kid who needs nurturing. I have always rated him. When I first saw him, he reminded me of a young Kieth Gillespie. He will come good for us.

Esoterica · Oct 19, 2017

His defensive positioning is terrible so I'd never play him at LB over Stokes, especially if you have Grimmer on the other flank getting up to Jones. If he plays Left Mid, which I'd be happy to give him a go at, it needs to be under the instruction of getting to the byline more often than cutting in. We've had Vincenti, DKE and Nazon at left mid all cutting inside and it just compounds our attacking issues with Jones doing the same on the other side.

steve82 · Oct 19, 2017

Covrock said:
A lot of people slated him. He was/is a young kid who needs nurturing. I have always rated him. When I first saw him, he reminded me of a young Kieth Gillespie. He will come good for us.

Your not suggesting the fan base has written off someone else... ;-)

skybluegod · Oct 19, 2017

Completely different from playing as an attacking full back and as a Left winger. As a full back he is allowed to run beyond a player into the space after they are taken out of the game. If he’s the LW, he will be more closely marked, and won’t be able to make the runs that make him so effective. But he’s too much of a liability defensively to play as the LB.
I like him as a LWB, but not sure he could play as a LM. Would be willing to try it, just not on Saturday, as a must win game.

fatso · Oct 19, 2017

As soon as he's fit enough I'd play him on the left side of midfield. He'd give us some much needed balance there.
If he can find his form again he'd be a great asset in this division.

rupert_bear · Oct 19, 2017

He would gives us options and balance down the left side but I don’t think that comes into the way Robins wants us to play. He seems to prefer 2 holding midfielders and we have a very one footed Jodie Jones to fit in alternating right side or left. I can only see Haynes operating in a 442 system

Adge · Oct 19, 2017

steve82 said:
Your not suggesting the fan base has written off someone else... ;-)

Wouldn't say written him off-he's just not very good that's all.

Seamus1 · Oct 19, 2017

I would now quite like to see a change in formation with Haynes and Grimmer playing as wing backs...Willis, McDonald and Stokes as three centre backs. When One of the wing backs bombs forward, the one on the opposite side drops back to create a back 4 if needed.

stevefloyd · Oct 19, 2017

Fuck me why do people keep on saying Jones is 1 footed? Most people are but just because he is left footed people are picking him out ... Most people were slating Haynes last season now they want him back how ling before he becomes a young scapegoat again?

mrtrench · Oct 19, 2017

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Covrock · Oct 19, 2017

steve82 said:
Your not suggesting the fan base has written off someone else... ;-)

Good god no. Surely that would be slanderous!! Cov city fans slagging off a player. Never heard of.

ccfcricoh · Oct 19, 2017

I'd rather see a change in formation as a whole... The way we're playing 4-5-1 is too defensive, hence the great defence and crap attack! With Doyle and Kelly its practically 6-3-1.

I'd just like to see us with the old school 4-4-2 for a game or 2. Having 2 up top should make us more dangerous.

Other teams are wise to our wingers now so change of tack needed

steve82 · Oct 19, 2017

Adge said:
Wouldn't say written him off-he's just not very good that's all.

He by no means the complete player but he's got a lot of attacking attributes that the side don't currently have.
Certainly worth looking at in the role.

stevefloyd said:
Fuck me why do people keep on saying Jones is 1 footed? Most people are but just because he is left footed people are picking him out ... Most people were slating Haynes last season now they want him back how ling before he becomes a young scapegoat again?

Defenders have worked him out again, the ball goes out wide on the right, he does one of the following.
1) JJ cuts in 30 yards out and runs into traffic and dispossessed
2) the defenders double up on him for when he cuts inside if he beats the first the second ushers him across the pitch
3) the left back shows him the line, tempts him to go down the line. JJ stops and passes to Grimmer
4) JJ beats his man cutting inside and scuffs a shot instead of passing.

Unless they foolishly back off and give him space he's dangerous, if not and are tight he mostly creates nothing.

Great_Expectations · Oct 19, 2017

I’ve never been his biggest fan, but at times last year he was the only player in the team willing to drive forwards and run at people.

Granted, LW is very different from LB, but he cannot be any worse than what we have tired. As I’ve constantly said, pace will win us games this year and get us out of this league, he has that attribute. If we have TWO attacking pacey wingers it at least gives the opposition something to worry about other than just focusing on Jones as out only outlet.

He’s poor positionally in defence and while Stokes is an absolute shadow of his former self, he is at least solid defensively.

Can Haynes do any worse than an of position and ineffective McNulty, a non-existent (for now) DKE or the most un winger like winger ever in Vincente.

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Oct 19, 2017

It'd be madness to switch the back 4 around! But I'd been keen to Haynes used as an attacking option wide!

The way things are at the minute he's as likely to score as McNulty & Biamou

Cov kid 55 · Oct 19, 2017

skybluegod said:
Completely different from playing as an attacking full back and as a Left winger. As a full back he is allowed to run beyond a player into the space after they are taken out of the game. If he’s the LW, he will be more closely marked, and won’t be able to make the runs that make him so effective. But he’s too much of a liability defensively to play as the LB.
I like him as a LWB, but not sure he could play as a LM. Would be willing to try it, just not on Saturday, as a must win game.

Aren’t they all must win now? And if we do nothing different?.....

skybluegod · Oct 19, 2017

Cov kid 55 said:
Aren’t they all must win now? And if we do nothing different?.....

No that’s stupid. If you expect us to win every game between now and the end of the season, then you are going to be very disappointed.
Where did I say do nothing different? I said not to experiment with Haynes?

Cov kid 55 · Oct 19, 2017

Ok, the last thing I expect is to win every game, I was expressing caution after the Grimsby game, when a number of posters were saying we’d win the league by Christmas. This is a hard League. I’ve just posted rationale for Haynes’ inclusion on the Colchester thread. It’s not, in my opinion, an experiment to play a player who has pace and can cross/shoot, in a home game, where we need to attack and win.

sw88 · Oct 19, 2017

There’s no doubt that he’s a lot better attacking Than he is defending.

However, I’m not sure about him playing as a wide midfielder; certainly not with the way we like to alternate the left and right wide players.

I’ve said it before, but I just can’t see him fitting in on the right hand side when jones looks to switch sides?

sw88 · Oct 19, 2017

trondegilsoltvedt97 said:
He played there and scored for the Under 23s on Monday. So maybe not that far fetched that MR is considering it

On the right? I didn’t know that. Be happy if he could do it, as we are reliant on our wide players tracking back to help defend and as he’s trained primarily as a defender that can only be a good thing to have in front of a LB / RB

Esoterica · Oct 19, 2017

sw88 said:
On the right? I didn’t know that. Be happy if he could do it, as we are reliant on our wide players tracking back to help defend and as he’s trained primarily as a defender that can only be a good thing to have in front of a LB / RB

He played left mid and his goal was a deflection. He won't need to switch if there are attacking options in other positions. If he's getting to the byline it stretches the whole team. He gets crosses in, the strikers get more space and Jones isn't doubled up on. If Kelly then gets to fill the central gap we're in acres in every position. Goals goals goals. And we've still got Doyle protecting a solid back 4.

letsallsingtogether · Oct 20, 2017

skybluegod said:
No that’s stupid. If you expect us to win every game between now and the end of the season, then you are going to be very disappointed.
Where did I say do nothing different? I said not to experiment with Haynes?

I always expect us to win.
I know it hasn't happened in the 45 years I have been going up but hey we will get out turn, just hope it is in my lifetime.
PUSB

Otis · Oct 20, 2017

I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
It'd be madness to switch the back 4 around! But I'd been keen to Haynes used as an attacking option wide!

The way things are at the minute he's as likely to score as McNulty & Biamou

Yep. Leave the back four alone, it's clearly working for us. Playing Haynes instead of Stokes will leave us more vulnerable.

If Haynes is to be included it should be on the left in front of Stokes, with Stokes retaining his position.

skybluegod · Oct 20, 2017

letsallsingtogether said:
I always expect us to win.
I know it hasn't happened in the 45 years I have been going up but hey we will get out turn, just hope it is in my lifetime.
PUSB

Then you are stupid

I hope we win, but I predicted that we would lose to both Accrington and FGR, to my old man, because that’s just what football is.

stevefloyd · Oct 20, 2017

Be great if Haynes could come in and do a job on the opposite flank to Jones as long as the hoofed balls are within 25 feet of his head we may have a chance

Hobo · Oct 20, 2017

His weakness is defending. But wide left as an attacking option from midfield is certainly worth consideration; even if it is just an option from the bench.

RB1992 · Oct 20, 2017

I've been saying it for ages, Ryan Haynes is by far our best player. He should be playing in the Championship at least. Just needs to work on his confidence.

Nick · Oct 20, 2017

RB1992 said:
I've been saying it for ages, Ryan Haynes is by far our best player. He should be playing in the Championship at least. Just needs to work on his confidence.

So why isn't he?

RB1992 · Oct 20, 2017

Nick said:
So why isn't he?

Lack of game time, idiot managers/coaches putting him left back and, as I've said, a lack of confidence.

Didn't he throw up on the pitch because of nerves on his debut?

coop · Oct 20, 2017

He is a better LM as he can't defend so I would play him LM pass and is willing to take player's on.

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