Ten for £10 offer against Wycombe (1 Viewer)

Terry Gibson's perm

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Agree it should have been just a flat rate


One day they will all slowly but surely come back. The love never dies and at different stages of your life you rediscover the love.


Not all will come back my dad is a former season ticket holder and was a big away follower in the early 80's and he has lost total interest to the point that I had to force him to go to Wembley last year and when I miss the Wycombe game he won't use my season ticket and even though he could have a season ticket at senior rate he wouldn't bother.
 

oucho

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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
We are

I have been told that financially we are desperate for income and a lot of it and a recent event has put a cat right amongst the pigeons. As for £10 for ten tickets not against anything that helps the club especially financially, not sure of league rules and considering our ST holders but I would think a £5 per head on the day walk up price would be better or get a season ticket holder to bring a friend for a fiver for instance.

This recent event? is it?

- ARVO want some interest paid
- ARVO want some capital repaid
- Jones was all set to be sold but got injured
- The academy needs to pay a deposit or premium to retain usage at the Higgs
- Academy is moving and its going to cost
- Turnover has been so bad this season that wages exceed the SCMP and we are at risk of embargo which means we have no players coming in January
- CCFC have been told to contribute to court costs
- Rent costs are going up, or any alternative requires a deposit or premium
- Payments are due on players that have been brought in
- something else

The wages of Andreu & Jones must now be a drain with nothing in return due to their injuries, and still count towards scmp with no ability to sell them on. Mind you given Saturdays performance most of the squad appear to be a drain with little in return!!
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Ok, I have messaged about 16 or 17 people and I have had one yes and one maybe out of that lot.

Looks like the club have outsmarted me on this one. There is no way anyone is going to be able to take up that offer are they, but I guess they knew that... At least they can say they 'pretended' to try to encourage the fans!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Everyone I have spoken to has said they have other plans, already going out or a flat no way.

Can't knock the club for trying but I do not think there will be a big take up
 

rupert_bear

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This recent event? is it?

- ARVO want some interest paid
- ARVO want some capital repaid
- Jones was all set to be sold but got injured
- The academy needs to pay a deposit or premium to retain usage at the Higgs
- Academy is moving and its going to cost
- Turnover has been so bad this season that wages exceed the SCMP and we are at risk of embargo which means we have no players coming in January
- CCFC have been told to contribute to court costs
- Rent costs are going up, or any alternative requires a deposit or premium
- Payments are due on players that have been brought in
- something else

The wages of Andreu & Jones must now be a drain with nothing in return due to their injuries, and still count towards scmp with no ability to sell them on. Mind you given Saturdays performance most of the squad appear to be a drain with little in return!!
It is the Jones injury, I’m told he was set to be sold in January I think we all suspected that, the bulk of the money was essential to get us through the season others may be sold now but for nowhere near the amount Jones would have realised and would seriously weaken us tough times ahead I fear
 

bradwellskyblues

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this is the fixture from hell who wants a football match on the friday evening before christmas,that said they should of marketed something better than this weeks ago not left it to the last minute. for me the most obvious would of been £10 +£5 concessions.
As for the recent event i heard a whisper wasps did not take kindly to the last day in court .
 

Generally Midfield

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It is the Jones injury, I’m told he was set to be sold in January I think we all suspected that, the bulk of the money was essential to get us through the season others may be sold now but for nowhere near the amount Jones would have realised and would seriously weaken us tough times ahead I fear

Thanks for explaining.
 

Ashdown

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Hang on - lots of people including me having pointed out that the low crowds are bugger all to do with price, it's the fact that the market for watching us in the re-branded Division 4 is far more limited than it is if we were in higher divisions. Either that, or us and every League Two club, now and in the past, has charged too much and would have sold out their grounds for every game if we shaved a few quid off the admission fee....

Let's face it - they could offer free entrance and the Ricoh wouldn't be half full. The money men have done their work and know their customers; they know what crowds they'll get at the existing price model; they have modelled by how much that would change in terms of total ticket revenue and our F&B share if we tweaked the pricing offer upwards or downwards; they'll have come to the view that the current pricing is the optimum offer in terms of how much revenue it brings in. Put it up, and you have further drop in support but in a way that negates any impact from those still going who pay a few quid more; drop it down and you'll get a few more turn up, but not so many to make up for the revenue loss through the price reductions.

There is a rumour doing the rounds that they aimed for 9k-9k average gate this season and are obviously under-shooting that by 20%+, hence the rumours of a huge budget shortfall. But that's just all it is for now, rumours.
Who put this rumour around I wonder ? Very convenient to a company who had a fair few windfalls last year, crowds higher than most for the league and one eye now on January to capitalise once again ............I can't believe people really fall for their bullshit all the time !
 

sky_blue_up_north

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This is a really bad day, nightmare to get down the M6 any Friday, but the last Friday before Christmas not worth thinking about, not bothering even though I have a season ticket. However I hope people of who are local make this offer work
 

bawtryneal

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that may be so, but we're talking about an offer that requires getting 10 people together on the Friday before Christmas, it's an impossible task.
If they had made it £10 per ticket I may have got one or two to go with me if lucky but trying to drag 10 people away from the warmth of their home/pub on what is traditionally one of the busiest nights of the year.

Give the ticket office a call and say you can get 3 or 4 guys together and would they still do a deal !
 

bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
This recent event? is it?

- ARVO want some interest paid
- ARVO want some capital repaid
- Jones was all set to be sold but got injured
- The academy needs to pay a deposit or premium to retain usage at the Higgs
- Academy is moving and its going to cost
- Turnover has been so bad this season that wages exceed the SCMP and we are at risk of embargo which means we have no players coming in January
- CCFC have been told to contribute to court costs
- Rent costs are going up, or any alternative requires a deposit or premium
- Payments are due on players that have been brought in
- something else

The wages of Andreu & Jones must now be a drain with nothing in return due to their injuries, and still count towards scmp with no ability to sell them on. Mind you given Saturdays performance most of the squad appear to be a drain with little in return!!

Good post OSB but be careful posting about Avro "wanting this" and "Avro wanting that". Nick will go crazy if he thinks his money is getting back to Avro/SISU. I think the day of reckoning is coming as investors lose patience, interest rates rise and they will demand a return on their investment.
 

Nick

Administrator
Good post OSB but be careful posting about Avro "wanting this" and "Avro wanting that". Nick will go crazy if he thinks his money is getting back to Avro/SISU. I think the day of reckoning is coming as investors lose patience, interest rates rise and they will demand a return on their investment.
Pipe down captain bullshit getting moist over a random thought put out there and stick to your rumours and back and forth between morals ;)

I'm consistent with my views, you should try it sometime. You might like it.
 
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oucho

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I doubt that investors will have much of a view about CCFC, for the reason that SISU probably own dozens and dozens of commercial interests (some low risk, some high risk, some in the middle), and keep them all various baskets/pots. Investors give SISU cash to invest in a basket aka investment product, given the spread of risk it is likely that the overall investment is producing a return each year. CCFC is one product in these investors' baskets now with zero/low ongoing investment needed and a small % chance massive upside i.e. promotion to the PL (you have to be in it to win it).

Surely no investor has said "hello Joy, here's millions of dollars to plough into your asset CCFC" - it's not as transparent and one-to-one as that. How many of you guys know what companies your pension fund manager invests in on your behalf? For myself, I don't have a damn clue and I don't care how each individual component within the basket performs provided that the overall combination appreciates annually. It's the same with hedge fund management - provided each SISU client gets a return on the overall combination of investments within their basket/investment product, they'll not give a damn if CCFC doesn't deliver anything - it only exists there now as a marginal, low percentage chance / high reward option within the spread, and costs nothing to retain.

Someone will tell me if I have this wrong but that's my understanding as to why these mythical investors have never demanded their money back. ARVO is just another shell company used by Joy/Dermot to channel funds around their investments as part of their opaque investment structure, it's not an independent creditor that's going to be hammering on the door.
 

bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
Pipe down captain bullshit getting moist over a random thought put out there and stick to your rumours and back and forth between morals ;)

I'm consistent with my views, you should try it sometime. You might like it.

Very good
All dry here I am afraid, not even close to moist.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
Good post OSB but be careful posting about Avro "wanting this" and "Avro wanting that". Nick will go crazy if he thinks his money is getting back to Avro/SISU. I think the day of reckoning is coming as investors lose patience, interest rates rise and they will demand a return on their investment.
Or cut their losses and get out.
 

stevefloyd

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If we was to be successful then the offer would be great look at the paint trophy games just over a thousand in preliminary games then the semi comes along and 32,000 same for the Wembley trip this year, it dont help that our hapless owners with their futile court cases and previous shenanigans continue to be here trying after the horse has bolted attempts to woo fans back after stabbing them in the backs multiple times. We have lost at least 1 new generation of fans since these toss pots took over our club they have appointed a prick of a human being as chairman who lives in cloud cuckoo land most of the time.
I have just come back from a 2 month trip away, when I was first away I was desperate to see them play, had I have been here I would have got the half season ticket offers but would have missed too many games so I thought a 6 match package for my son and me but as times gone by he has lost interest which impacts on my own interest too, his enthusiasm was infectious for me so sadly another 20 year old is now disheartened, not quite lost yet but the signs are there
 

Londonccfcfan

Well-Known Member
This recent event? is it?

- ARVO want some interest paid
- ARVO want some capital repaid
- Jones was all set to be sold but got injured
- The academy needs to pay a deposit or premium to retain usage at the Higgs
- Academy is moving and its going to cost
- Turnover has been so bad this season that wages exceed the SCMP and we are at risk of embargo which means we have no players coming in January
- CCFC have been told to contribute to court costs
- Rent costs are going up, or any alternative requires a deposit or premium
- Payments are due on players that have been brought in
- something else

The wages of Andreu & Jones must now be a drain with nothing in return due to their injuries, and still count towards scmp with no ability to sell them on. Mind you given Saturdays performance most of the squad appear to be a drain with little in return!!

Whatever mate. Not so sure about this but.

April/May - Windfall of 150kfrom checkatrade trophy.
Harries ....sold for approx 100k to swansea. July
Thomas....Sold for approx 250k to Leicester. Aug.
Young lad sold to Man united for a fee...50k?

Sold 5000 season tickets at inflated prices. Sane as last season.

Averaging still 7700 at the ricoh. I make that at least above most persons estimates and probably above SISUs forecasts.
May be getting some add ons fromMaddison sale. Ie Goals/appearances/England U21 call up etc.
Will probably still earn a windfall of 100k from Stoke game even if we lose.

So not sure where u get you get tgat from.
 

Esoterica

Well-Known Member
Whatever mate. Not so sure about this but.

April/May - Windfall of 150kfrom checkatrade trophy.
Harries ....sold for approx 100k to swansea. July
Thomas....Sold for approx 250k to Leicester. Aug.
Young lad sold to Man united for a fee...50k?

Sold 5000 season tickets at inflated prices. Sane as last season.

Averaging still 7700 at the ricoh. I make that at least above most persons estimates and probably above SISUs forecasts.
May be getting some add ons fromMaddison sale. Ie Goals/appearances/England U21 call up etc.
Will probably still earn a windfall of 100k from Stoke game even if we lose.

So not sure where u get you get tgat from.
He's just speculating as to what the mystery event was that rupert_bear referred to. He's also SBT's resident finance expert and probably the most respected person on this board, so play nicely!
 

Nick

Administrator
Whatever mate. Not so sure about this but.

April/May - Windfall of 150kfrom checkatrade trophy.
Harries ....sold for approx 100k to swansea. July
Thomas....Sold for approx 250k to Leicester. Aug.
Young lad sold to Man united for a fee...50k?

Sold 5000 season tickets at inflated prices. Sane as last season.

Averaging still 7700 at the ricoh. I make that at least above most persons estimates and probably above SISUs forecasts.
May be getting some add ons fromMaddison sale. Ie Goals/appearances/England U21 call up etc.
Will probably still earn a windfall of 100k from Stoke game even if we lose.

So not sure where u get you get tgat from.

Where are the figures from? What about outgoings?
 

CCFC54321

Well-Known Member
Is
He's just speculating as to what the mystery event was that rupert_bear referred to. He's also SBT's resident finance expert and probably the most respected person on this board, so play nicely!
Is he really more like an argumentive boring old grandad who thinks he knows it all.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Whatever mate. Not so sure about this but.

April/May - Windfall of 150kfrom checkatrade trophy.
Harries ....sold for approx 100k to swansea. July
Thomas....Sold for approx 250k to Leicester. Aug.
Young lad sold to Man united for a fee...50k?

Sold 5000 season tickets at inflated prices. Sane as last season.

Averaging still 7700 at the ricoh. I make that at least above most persons estimates and probably above SISUs forecasts.
May be getting some add ons fromMaddison sale. Ie Goals/appearances/England U21 call up etc.
Will probably still earn a windfall of 100k from Stoke game even if we lose.

So not sure where u get you get tgat from.

Just speculation really trying to guess what the event could be. Wasn't saying any of the suggestions were right or happening

however.....

Anything received in April or May will be included in the previous years accounts and budgets, the financial year end for Otium is 31/05/2017. So the current budget etc wouldn't include April & May 2017

What I was told from a credible source is that CCFC budgeted on attendances of 9000 this season. We are not close to that and it is consistently falling so far this season. The biggest effect will be the underachievement of the walk up ticket sales, and they pay substantially more than ST holders and therefore carry a bigger effect on turnover. Did they achieve 5000 ST's? thought it was nearer 4500 and lower than the previous year which exceeded 5000 when average crowds were 9111. ST's went up 20% on average wasn't it?, take out the VAT and admin costs (not talking about the fee Ticketmaster charge per ticket) and adjust for less sold and the effect of the ST sales isn't what you are suggesting.

The thing about budgets is that people generally spend/operate to them, especially when assembling a squad pre season, which means if the budget turnover is not achieved then there could be a potential problem. Costs have been committed for the season before any income of note is received and hope to recover by hitting budgets. Even if at the end of the season budget attendance & income is achieved it doesn't mean there will not be problems during the season, with costs needing to be cut to pull back cash flow or because the SCMP being reviewed during the season

So they may have got 400k in player sales of which under SCMP they can utilise 60% and could be staged payments in any case and there might be agents fees to pay out of it. Hardly big sums in any case. The incomes were known and would be in the budget at the squad assembley period there is a risk of spending on that but then not achieving other incomes

Appearance monies etc often get settled at the end of season, certainly there is a timing delay, nor can it be guaranteed, and we don't know the trigger points in respect of Maddison in any case. I doubt it would be big numbers just yet. Look how easily it changed for Callum Wilson...... one minute heading towards trigger points next out injured for months

Yes we get extra cup income. Most budgets are not based on cup runs though. But we also get extra costs because of it and the gate money is split 45:45:10 between clubs and FA isn't it. If we do not win there is no prize money for the 3rd round. The other cup games so far this season I doubt broke even. Extra income from Stoke game yes but also extra costs. If we are already in a hole financially then that £100k is only going to help fill the hole - kind of depends how far they are down financially doesn't it...... with reasonably fixed costs (especially wages) then falling incomes is a real threat
 
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Grendel

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Well if they’ve budgeted for 9,000 it’s irresponsible. Also we don’t know the mix of adults concessions walk ups but either way it’s a revenue hole.

It would also suggest the budget would be one of the biggest if not the biggest in the league. Which poses further questions given our position in the league and performance levels.
 

Generally Midfield

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Well if they’ve budgeted for 9,000 it’s irresponsible. Also we don’t know the mix of adults concessions walk ups but either way it’s a revenue hole.

It would also suggest the budget would be one of the biggest if not the biggest in the league. Which poses further questions given our position in the league and performance levels.

I don't go every week now so rely more on what's posted on here but there's another thread on summer signings which seems to suggest Robins did failry well, basic view seems to be first 10 games this season pretty good but since then not good enough, then one view on the finances seems to be suggesting that Jan might be about selling not strengthening. Hopefully that;s wrong and Robins will be able to wheel and deal in which case if the thread about his summer signings is right it might get us back on track. Fingers crossed
 

Londonccfcfan

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Just speculation really trying to guess what the event could be. Wasn't saying any of the suggestions were right or happening

however.....

Anything received in April or May will be included in the previous years accounts and budgets, the financial year end for Otium is 31/05/2017. So the current budget etc wouldn't include April & May 2017

What I was told from a credible source is that CCFC budgeted on attendances of 9000 this season. We are not close to that and it is consistently falling so far this season. The biggest effect will be the underachievement of the walk up ticket sales, and they pay substantially more than ST holders and therefore carry a bigger effect on turnover. Did they achieve 5000 ST's? thought it was nearer 4500 and lower than the previous year which exceeded 5000 when average crowds were 9111. ST's went up 20% on average wasn't it?, take out the VAT and admin costs (not talking about the fee Ticketmaster charge per ticket) and adjust for less sold and the effect of the ST sales isn't what you are suggesting.

The thing about budgets is that people generally spend/operate to them, especially when assembling a squad pre season, which means if the budget turnover is not achieved then there could be a potential problem. Costs have been committed for the season before any income of note is received and hope to recover by hitting budgets. Even if at the end of the season budget attendance & income is achieved it doesn't mean there will not be problems during the season, with costs needing to be cut to pull back cash flow or because the SCMP being reviewed during the season

So they may have got 400k in player sales of which under SCMP they can utilise 60% and could be staged payments in any case and there might be agents fees to pay out of it. Hardly big sums in any case. The incomes were known and would be in the budget at the squad assembley period there is a risk of spending on that but then not achieving other incomes

Appearance monies etc often get settled at the end of season, certainly there is a timing delay, nor can it be guaranteed, and we don't know the trigger points in respect of Maddison in any case. I doubt it would be big numbers just yet. Look how easily it changed for Callum Wilson...... one minute heading towards trigger points next out injured for months

Yes we get extra cup income. Most budgets are not based on cup runs though. But we also get extra costs because of it and the gate money is split 45:45:10 between clubs and FA isn't it. If we do not win there is no prize money for the 3rd round. The other cup games so far this season I doubt broke even. Extra income from Stoke game yes but also extra costs. If we are already in a hole financially then that £100k is only going to help fill the hole - kind of depends how far they are down financially doesn't it...... with reasonably fixed costs (especially wages) then falling incomes is a real threat

Afraid I disagree with you, Every club at this level or any level for that matter of fact will be pushing their SCMP budgeting to the max. be silly not to.
MR will have to wheel and deal theres no doubt of that in the January transfer window. The actual figures we quote are all conjecture.

We have easily one of the biggest squads in League 2 (yes a lot of Home grown players) this is where I feel he will cut our budget we don't need close to 29 Pros!

At the moment these players are hardly getting a look in, not in even in squad some days?

Beavon, K Thomas, Dion Kelly Evans, Devon Kelly Evans, Camwell,

Definitely keep the following squad players ( Davies, Stokes, Hyam, Stevenson, Vincenti, Ponticelli) but some of the above will be shipped out.

Also theres no way SISU budgeted 9k average gate this season. like I said I'm sure they are blown away the fact we still averaging 7700!

That said a few decent results at home and a sustained play off push theres no reason why we cannot still average 9k.

For example the Home leg play off game alone will be a 20k gate! which will blow the average right up. Everyone will be coming out the woodwork then.

Luton and Lincoln at Home will be a 10k plus gate no doubt 2-3 away allocation sold easy. So we will no doubt still get a few 6500 gates (midweek) but on saying that we will also get another couple 10500 gates too.
So I think the average will be 8k this season.
 

steve82

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I'm not convinced CCFC would be foolish enough to estimate ambitious figures of 9000 on average to set our SCMP forecast given the rate of which we're losing fans and given the drop in leagues and smaller clubs visiting the Ricoh with smaller away followings too.

Last season in league one we only had a league average of 9,119 with a total of 209,726 and previous to that averaged 12,570 with 289,119 over the league campaign in happier circumstances enjoying 4/5 months looking strong play off candidates.

Plus factor in last seasons L2 average gates too, Portsmouth were very good with a average of 16,391, followed by Plymouth with nearly half that on 8,798, and Luton in 3rd with 8,226.

Put all that together and you'd not go along with 9,000 average.

Interestingly Accrington last season had the lowest number of spectators and average with just 1,699 and a total of 39,085 which we will surpass twice over this weekend after 11 games.

Look how competitive they are and have been the last few seasons in L2 on such a tight budget.
 

letsallsingtogether

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I'm not convinced CCFC would be foolish enough to estimate ambitious figures of 9000 on average to set our SCMP forecast given the rate of which we're losing fans and given the drop in leagues and smaller clubs visiting the Ricoh with smaller away followings too.

Last season in league one we only had a league average of 9,119 with a total of 209,726 and previous to that averaged 12,570 with 289,119 over the league campaign in happier circumstances enjoying 4/5 months looking strong play off candidates.

Plus factor in last seasons L2 average gates too, Portsmouth were very good with a average of 16,391, followed by Plymouth with nearly half that on 8,798, and Luton in 3rd with 8,226.

Put all that together and you'd not go along with 9,000 average.

Interestingly Accrington last season had the lowest number of spectators and average with just 1,699 and a total of 39,085 which we will surpass twice over this weekend after 11 games.

Look how competitive they are and have been the last few seasons in L2 on such a tight budget.
Yes but they get all the pie money.
 

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