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skybluetony176
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So are people who vote UKIP automatically racist as you’ve labelled me? I note you keep dodging the yes no question.
People have been voting UKIP in both the European and General Election for years. The very nature of the party is a protest party and that is how it was conceived. A vote for UKIP can only ever be a protest vote by definition.
Why don’t you ask Sickboy why I called him monkey boy. I guarantee it wasn’t racially motivated but you’re the very special type of stupid that falls for Grendulls nonsense so you probably still won’t get it. Just for reference am I still allowed to refer to Ian Brown as his often used nickname Monkey Man or is that now racist in your eyes?
It’s all about the context. Something special stupid people don’t seem to be able to understand.
Astute
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But Tony used the Monkey boy term. Isn't good is it?
You used the BROWN term. That isn't good either.
Astute
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And yet again you are twisting things.
It was me saying not all UKIP voters are racist. And I have said it countless times. And I have got grief for saying it countless times.
Are you saying that it is OK to use a racist term at times if you don't mean to be racist when you say it.
Racism is totally out of order whatever. The use of racist terms are out of order whatever. Monkey boy is a racist term. I absolutely hate racism of any sort. And will not let racist terms go unchallenged. I saw the shite my eldest daughter went through. Some people think it is OK to make racist slurs as a joke or just a passing comment. It isn't. Thwre is no excuse for it whatever.
skybluetony176
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I’m not twisting anything.
You repeatedly labelled me a racist for voting UKIP. You’re now twisting that. Maybe you would like to apologise for that?
It’s OK to say monkey boy if you think someone is acting like a performing monkey for the benefit of Grendull, which is what I did. It’s OK to call Ian Brown Monkey Man as it’s a reference to his dancing. It’s OK to call my children cheeky monkeys when they’re being cheeky.
What I didn’t do is call someone a monkey because of the colour of their skin and wouldn’t do as that is racist.
I’m sure you understand the difference. It’s all about context. Stop twisting the context. You’re only making yourself look more ridiculous than you already do.
Astute
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Have you ever defended me when I have been verbally attacked when talking about UKIP? No. Not at all. But you voted UKIP and defended UKIP. But those that went for my throat when saying much less than you never said a word to you. And all because you hate the Tories, defend Labour whatever and defend the EU whatever.
And you couldn't be any more wrong about the use of a racist term being OK at any time. I can't believe that you don't understand what you are saying. A racist term is a racist term whatever context you try to put it under.
How about a bit of education for you. Would you use the term monkey boy if black people were nearby? No. Because it is a racist term and there is a good chance you would get knocked out.
So lets get this straight. You voted UKIP. You defended UKIP. And you think it is OK to use a racist term as long as black people can't hear you.
skybluetony176
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I don’t think your first point justifies you repeatedly labelling me racist because I voted UKIP.
A racist term is a racist term but it is possible to use the word monkey without it having a racial connotation. Context seems lost on you. For crying out loud don’t listen to a song by the Maytals called Monkey Man, you’ll explode.
As for your third point you’re again using that special kind of stupid that you have.
Grendel
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My point - which you continue to ignore - is you do not believe the party itself is racist.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Do you know something else that come ti mind? It is how many times you brought up India and commonwealth countries.And saying that if we didn't get immigration from the EU it woud be replaced by immigration from them. Or the posts where you have gone on about India only wanting trade deals if we opened up our borders to their citizens.
And it isn't just a few comments is it.
So there was a song years ago that means you are OK to use the term. Just like we used to think it was OK for things like the Black And White Minstrel show. Love thy neighbour? It wasn't long before that where black people were not allowed to use the services meant for white people. And before that black people were bought and sold as slaves. The days of Bernard Manning have well gone. Terms that were or could be seen as insulting are a thing of the past.
This is one area that PC is totally correct.
Times have changed Tony. Racism is now illegal. But I remember the days when it was the norm. You need to grow up and accept them days have gone. And it isn't OK for you to do it just because somebody else did.
He may have referred to that as did I and Sick Boy, in context of still needing Immigration and Media output at the time stating the position of Indian ministers conditions.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I can't believe I just wasted my lunch break reading through the last 5 pages.
Astute
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Search his history on the matter. You will see it isn't just mentioning it. It is going on about it.
And what is the problem with bringing in the right people with the right skills? Just how it should be. It should be down to the skills a person has and not where their passport was issued. You can have the skills needed by a company. But it takes over a year to jump through all the hoops a lot of the time. But you can have no skills and no connection with the UK but you can come and go as you please with an EU passport. It is wrong.
Sick Boy
Well-Known Member
You spent months claiming you were neutral in the whole debate but now deny it?!
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skybluetony176
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Have you read their manifesto from the 2015 election? Maybe you would like to and come back and explain what specifically is racist.
Funnily enough I have read and have to say I can’t remember reading anything in there that you haven’t argued for, or astute for that matter.
So tootle of there’s a good boy and come back and explain what in their pre referendum manifesto it is that makes them in your words racist without contradicting your own arguments for leaving the EU. I bet you can’t. The irony of course is that all I’ve done is defend their right to express their opinions which oddly enough coincides with your own. So when you make this often repeatedly poor attempt (that only astute seems to fall for before attempting to play victim) to make me out to be a racist you’re unwittingly putting yourself in the boat you think you’re putting me in.
skybluetony176
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Who do you think is going to replace the immigrant work force lost from the EU that our economy so desperately needs if not the commonwealth?
Not a problem for me as I don’t mind sharing my country with anyone who arrives here and contributes. I don’t blame immigrants for the severe lack of investment that the country has seen under successive governments in the NHS, housing and infrastructure like you. I don’t blame immigrants for a suppression of wages when the government sets the minimum wage, although to be fair I don’t think I’ve heard you on that one either but others have on here. Are you and Grendull going to go into the fields at harvest times to stem this requirement for immigration? Maybe you’ll both go and get a trade and make up the short fall of skilled workers in the building industry so you can take up the slack in building houses and infrastructure? Maybe you’ll go and get some nursing and midwifery qualifications to fill the short fall that immigrants take up? Doubtful, you’ll just continue blaming immigrants and the EU. The latter is leaving the equation soon and that will leave you with two options. You can either point the finger where it should have been pointed all along, failed British governments. Or you can blame the new wave of immigrants. We have a country have had a financial benefit from EU migrants but successive governments have failed to invest that benefit. Who’s fault is that?
The Maytals are a Ska band from Jamaica. Just so you know.
I used „white“ in the same sentence. Problem? I said that some people wouldn’t happy because of „brown“ people, because they associate them with Muslims who they think are invading. It should be clear who I am sarcastically calling out. I even clarified it for you. If you are now trying to turn an anti racist element into me being racist, can I ask you why would you do that?
Apart from criticising people who use these terms and quoting them whilst doing that. As you keep doing.
How is it wrong? We have a reciprocal agreement. If that is wrong, then I am doing something wrong by living in the EU. I have paid taxes here, employed people and have a half German child who will contribute to EU society when I am gone. Yet according to you, that is wrong.
I used a monkey wrench yesterday. Don’t tell anyone.
Highways and byways committee in Cov were pulled up years ago because the engineer used the term „Accident Black Spot“ in his presentation. True story. Apparently that could offend people with a black skin. For me, that is really twisting words. All about context. I don’t believe the engineer was racist or wanted to cause offence. There is a road sign , a triangle with a black spot as a warning. Is that offensive?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Thank god I don’t wear monkey boots anymore. I was planning on visiting monkey world in the summer but now I’m scared to in case people think it’s a KKK theme park.
Astute
Well-Known Member
How unusual that you have twisted what I have said as usual.
Why don't you just look back. You won't have to look far back as I always say it is the fault of Labour and the Tories. But of course you miss it each time.
And you still think it is OK to make racist comments as someone else has said something similar?
Astute
Well-Known Member
No. You don't get it either.
Lile I said there is no reason to make comments like that. Not in jest. Not to try and make a point. Not for anything. But I should have known better. Some people don't care what they say or who they insult as long as they make the point they want.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Come on Mart. You are better than this.
So calling someone monkey boy is the same as a tool called a monkey wrench?
Astute
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Astute
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In fact I have had enough.
Tony is OK to call people monkey boy.
Yes it is the fault of Labour and the Tories that we have so many homeless. But the population going up so quick doesn't make any difference on the NHS or infrastructure.
UKIP is full of racists. But not if they want to stay in the EU.
Have fun with the back patting. I am out.
Tony is OK to call people monkey boy.
Yes it is the fault of Labour and the Tories that we have so many homeless. But the population going up so quick doesn't make any difference on the NHS or infrastructure.
UKIP is full of racists. But not if they want to stay in the EU.
Have fun with the back patting. I am out.
henry the wasp
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Can't say monkey boy anymore. That's Lee Evans act fucked then.
I called white people „white people“. 60 million UK people have been insulted.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Do you think ukip is a racist party Mart?
That’s also a very odd thing to say by the way - I doubt anyone calls anyone a white person do they?
Loosely related after a German official raised the prospect of Turkey still potentially joining ,Erdogan has called a snap election for June to hasten his previously passed legislation increasing his Executive powers.
Bit odd as the Elections were due for November, but there is a new party entering the fray and it may be to stifle their run up or curtail their meeting time related criteria .
Bit odd as the Elections were due for November, but there is a new party entering the fray and it may be to stifle their run up or curtail their meeting time related criteria .
Sick Boy
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Turkey is not going to join in its current state and I don't think it ever will do either, despite what some will have people believe.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Erdogan and other leading Turkish politicians are wanting/considering reintroducing the death penalty following the failed military coup. Pretty sure that stops them joining the EU alone under the Lisbon treaty.
It's a ludicrous idea, another thuggish leader still seeking to purge another 3000 Gulenists from the military etc .
He's showing too many faces to be true.
Well I am white and a person. I will not be offended if you call me a white person.
I suspect that on paper it isn’t, but a lot of it’s hierarchy are including their new leader. They have had recurring problems with racism in their ranks. The most recent being the leader‘s girlfriend posting about Harry‘s fiancée going on about the Royal family being „teinted“ in the future because of Meghan‘s black father.
My brother is a an ex NF racist and stood and worked for them. UKIP obviously appeals to that sort of person.
