Would promotion bring some supporters back (1 Viewer)

some will stay,maybe about 1 or 2k add toa ttendence each week

the rest will come back too.............april next year if we are about to be promoted

as a rule anything that gets the blood pumping increases your support- Graham Hover once said that we suffered from staying up for 34 years as people got complacent, we never saw any promotions struggles or any season long pushes to achieve something, we just had the final few games scenario to stay up and even the cup win was a few games worth of excitement starting in March really- and he was right.

The culture of the club must change from "we already know that will gravitate towards the bottom of whatever league we're in", to "we don't know where we'll be but it's gonna near the top and it will be exciting", this is the start

Promotion to where we were last year> Maybe a little bit if we can keep winning games once we are up, yep

It's all about the new generation. Get them hooked young.

I think it'd add about 3-4k at the start of next season - if we start losing they'll be the first to drop away again though

Londonccfcfan said:

It's all about the new generation. Get them hooked young.

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Try telling that to R Kelly

Should do. Last year combined with shit team and relegation drove peeps out. Even with our useless owners, better team and higher league should get more peeps in. Even my mate mentioned season ticket and it's been years for him. Just got a little game to win yet. We all know the downside, so whilst looking up, can't help but glance below and see the bunghole below. Massive Monday.

Promotion definitely would. Even without promotion itself, a sense of upward momentum or optimism is enough to get people interested again.

Probably sell a few more season tickets but will that be to new supporters or ex ST holders who now pay on the day. We have lost supporters by the bucket load, relegations, poor teams, a seemingly unstoppable downward spiral not to mention the Northampton debacle with little hope of things improving. Difficult to get supporters back on a regular basis once the habit is broken.
Don’t think fans will flood back on the strength of a play-off win either. Our regular attendance seemed to be between 7and8k. last season If we can average over 10k we’d be doing well. Should get higher away followings here thoigh which will help

Should do. Usually 20-30% IIRC when I looked at the history.

But we aren’t usual so who knows.

Momentum helps but I think it would add about another thou only to the average attendance which will be disappointing. The usual lines of ‘not watching that shit league’ followed by ‘not paying £x for league one football, look at Bradford’.

If we got promoted and club set about marketing it on the back of the feeling of goodwill towards the club we could add a fair few. If fans could see some real investment in trying to create a side capable of doing well in League 1 then that would also help. If we do go up and then scratch around for cast offs and has beens to just survive in League 1 it won't get anyone excited or come running back. Fans want the possibility of success and a club that shows it wants success as much as the fans do.

ajsccfc said:

Promotion definitely would. Even without promotion itself, a sense of upward momentum or optimism is enough to get people interested again.

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I would wait to see what players we would lose before saying that. McNulty, Bayliss for certain if we don't win Monday. SISU love a sale.

You are 100% correct ashbyjan but not going for “cast offs” or has beans would mean increasing the player budget including wages. Can you see that happening ?

CovBurty said:

I would wait to see what players we would lose before saying that. McNulty, Bayliss for certain if we don't win Monday. SISU love a sale.

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If you know your history, we mainly sell players when we’re going nowhere.

CovBurty said:

I would wait to see what players we would lose before saying that. McNulty, Bayliss for certain if we don't win Monday. SISU love a sale.

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The upward momentum/optimism part I mean excludes any kind of clearout which of course would be like hitting the reset button again.

rupert_bear said:

You are 100% correct ashbyjan but not going for “cast offs” or has beans would mean increasing the player budget including wages. Can you see that happening ?

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I believe our illustrious owners will not invest one single bean more than they have to to keep club alive whilst they pursue their legal actions but if I was in Mr Boddys shoes I would be trying to build on the goodwill a promotion (which obvioualy hasnt happened and might not) and foster a siege type mentality ie lets do this together, to hell with SISU, the Council, Wasps etc - this is our battle - the club and the supporters and only we can dig ourselves out of the shit. Guarantee that every penny spent on season tickets etc will be invested in the club on the playing staff etc. There will inevitably be the usual NOPM mob but they are a very small (if annoyingly vocal) minority but all fans want is success and by creating a united us against the world mentality could go a long way to generating the funds Robins would need to build a competitive side.

ashbyjan said:

I believe our illustrious owners will not invest one single bean more than they have to to keep club alive whilst they pursue their legal actions but if I was in Mr Boddys shoes I would be trying to build on the goodwill a promotion (which obvioualy hasnt happened and might not) and foster a siege type mentality ie lets do this together, to hell with SISU, the Council, Wasps etc - this is our battle - the club and the supporters and only we can dig ourselves out of the shit. Guarantee that every penny spent on season tickets etc will be invested in the club on the playing staff etc. There will inevitably be the usual NOPM mob but they are a very small (if annoyingly vocal) minority but all fans want is success and by creating a united us against the world mentality could go a long way to generating the funds Robins would need to build a competitive side.

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Where have you been the whole season? With the FA Cup run especially promoting this it has been going on already that it's all about the club, manager, players etc.

That sort of thing hasn't just appeared now. It has been noticeably building since Robins walked back in through the door.

I take it the trust will be on board, rather than playing up to the NOPM mob you speak of and taking great pleasure in repeated "show of hands" of who is boycotting with smirks and smug grins?

It's always been the case of support the team and club and fuck the rest of them hasn't it? If it wasn't for so much nonsense propaganda from people with agendas then it would be the norm for the majority of people, however sadly people believe the nonsense about SISU pocketing all the money etc etc they read online. They believe that if they starve CCFC of funds then SISU will have to sell up.

This season as it's progressed more and more have got away from the "morals" and got back into football. That's how it should be.

CovBurty said:

I would wait to see what players we would lose before saying that. McNulty, Bayliss for certain if we don't win Monday. SISU love a sale.

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McNulty will naturally attract teams in higher positions as he has proved he's a goal scorer and Lg 2 fan's player of year.
Bayliss was attracting scouts/teams in January supposedly too.
It's not just "SISU love a sale" is it, players have ambition, agents want the best deal for themselves and player. Perhaps if we do go up there might be a chance we keep them but I'm not holding my breath.

Things seem to have improved behind the scenes a bit anyway., The cup run helped not sure if the NOPM exists anymore Nick, whatever Trust open meeting I’ve attended, not a member, there ain’t many there. As you said things have improved all be it slowly I would say since xmas.
and our performance last Friday got the lapsed fans talking at work, that’s a start.

In reply to the opening post-maybe a few but the floodgates would not open. If we were to go up and we're in and around it again, I think we would maybe be getting towards the 14-15000 ala Mowbray.
The Cockroaches though still cast a shadow unfortunately with myself and lots of others no doubt.

Nick said:

Where have you been the whole season? With the FA Cup run especially promoting this it has been going on already that it's all about the club, manager, players etc.

That sort of thing hasn't just appeared now. It has been noticeably building since Robins walked back in through the door.

I take it the trust will be on board, rather than playing up to the NOPM mob you speak of and taking great pleasure in repeated "show of hands" of who is boycotting with smirks and smug grins?

It's always been the case of support the team and club and fuck the rest of them hasn't it? If it wasn't for so much nonsense propaganda from people with agendas then it would be the norm for the majority of people, however sadly people believe the nonsense about SISU pocketing all the money etc etc they read online. They believe that if they starve CCFC of funds then SISU will have to sell up.

This season as it's progressed more and more have got away from the "morals" and got back into football. That's how it should be.

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Things have definitely improved since Dave Boddy came in with a more club centred approach. Has helped that Fisher has disappeared into the background and SISU / Council / Wasps crap has not been so prevalent. Overall I believe people are just fed up with the whole "political" nonsense and are ready to support a team that wants success. However for many they remain to be convinced that that is the case at CCFC, ceraitainly wont see investment from Joy and it is therefore up to Boddy etc to generate interest and convince lapsed fans (like myself) that its worth coming back. Once back the passion may return if team is succesful but at the moment the Wembley adventure will be a one off.

As for the Trust I have no involvement with them and haven't had for over a year now so wouldn't know what occurs at meetings.

ashbyjan said:

Things have definitely improved since Dave Boddy came in with a more club centred approach. Has helped that Fisher has disappeared into the background and SISU / Council / Wasps crap has not been so prevalent. Overall I believe people are just fed up with the whole "political" nonsense and are ready to support a team that wants success. However for many they remain to be convinced that that is the case at CCFC, ceraitainly wont see investment from Joy and it is therefore up to Boddy etc to generate interest and convince lapsed fans (like myself) that its worth coming back. Once back the passion may return if team is succesful but at the moment the Wembley adventure will be a one off.

As for the Trust I have no involvement with them and haven't had for over a year now so wouldn't know what occurs at meetings.

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You never really see too much of SISU now- which is the best PR exercise they've ever done.

I still get nightmares at that Dulieu guy standing in the dugout and mad Canadians trying to get us to text with ideas on who should be playing.

Does anyone else remember when they played “we will rock you” during the first half of a game ?

ashbyjan said:

Things have definitely improved since Dave Boddy came in with a more club centred approach. Has helped that Fisher has disappeared into the background and SISU / Council / Wasps crap has not been so prevalent. Overall I believe people are just fed up with the whole "political" nonsense and are ready to support a team that wants success. However for many they remain to be convinced that that is the case at CCFC, ceraitainly wont see investment from Joy and it is therefore up to Boddy etc to generate interest and convince lapsed fans (like myself) that its worth coming back. Once back the passion may return if team is succesful but at the moment the Wembley adventure will be a one off.

As for the Trust I have no involvement with them and haven't had for over a year now so wouldn't know what occurs at meetings.

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Apologies, won't mention the trust again if you aren't involved

What team doesn't want success and why would fans need convincing? Even going back to the FA cup Robins was saying the same things and you could see all of the players had bought into what he was about. It was mainly that it's all about the fans, playing for the badge and what the club means. The link between the fans and players is something I have never really seen before.

I think the politics stuff is a bit silly too, it's all well and good listening to the nonsense people put out on social media in the week about Joy is going to sell x player to take all of the money and run off into the distance, but who in their right mind listens to so much bollocks, believes it and then uses that as a reason not to support the club?

People need to see Joy investing? Why? I'd rather she didn't and we let Boddy and others help increase the money that the club earns (not borrows or relies on being pumped in).

I said it years ago, people focused so much on being angry and the politics that they actually forgot what they were angry about.

It has always been easy to just say that yes SISU are pricks, yes CCC, Wasps, acl, PWKH etc are pricks but at 3 on a Saturday it's all about CCFC. Why should any of those get in the way of supporting the club? Why let them get in the way of moments like beating Stoke in the cup, MK dons, Notts County in the playoffs and hopefully a win at Wembley?

We do, unfortunately

Nick said:

Apologies, won't mention the trust again if you aren't involved

What team doesn't want success and why would fans need convincing? Even going back to the FA cup Robins was saying the same things and you could see all of the players had bought into what he was about. It was mainly that it's all about the fans, playing for the badge and what the club means. The link between the fans and players is something I have never really seen before.

I think the politics stuff is a bit silly too, it's all well and good listening to the nonsense people put out on social media in the week about Joy is going to sell x player to take all of the money and run off into the distance, but who in their right mind listens to so much bollocks, believes it and then uses that as a reason not to support the club?

People need to see Joy investing? Why? I'd rather she didn't and we let Boddy and others help increase the money that the club earns (not borrows or relies on being pumped in).

I said it years ago, people focused so much on being angry and the politics that they actually forgot what they were angry about. It has always been easy to just say that yes SISU are pricks, yes CCC, Wasps, acl, PWKH etc are pricks but at 3 on a saturday it's all about CCFC.

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We have a lot of fans who have used NOPM as a convenient way of relieving themselves of the guilt they felt at not wanting to bother going to games anymore. They are the ones who used to sit complaining all game anyway.

If we keep doing ok then what we might see is a shift in our fanbase- some of the complainers gone replaced by people who have no interest in politics and just want to see us win.

Boddy has also taken over the ‘From the boardroom’ column in the match day programme. Fisher did it before Boddy was appointed

The only reports I’ve seen of Tim recently was when he visited Iraq

Ring Of Steel said:

We do, unfortunately


We have a lot of fans who have used NOPM as a convenient way of relieving themselves of the guilt they felt at not wanting to bother going to games anymore. They are the ones who used to sit complaining all game anyway.

If we keep doing ok then what we might see is a shift in our fanbase- some of the complainers gone replaced by people who have no interest in politics and just want to see us win.

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I can understand when politics is done to death people get tired of it, it's still easy enough to just file that in the "politics" drawer and then rock up at a match and it be something completely different.

The major difference is that so much of the propaganda stuff has gone, the nonsense made up to somehow put people off going. It's all pretty quiet now on that front so people have just concentrated on the football. We have had more threads about Biamou than we have SISU / Council which is a sign.

I used to have people who are "ccfc fans" and go up randomly every now and then talking to me about the politics (repeating nonsense half the time) but even this season it's mostly been about football. (even when times havent been so good).

I don't know if it's a mixture of Boddy coming in and Fisher slowly vanishing, changes in local media, Robins and the players he has brought in and winning that has done that.

I was getting confused by all the 'Committee for monitoring the consulting group which liaises with the Trust which has a meeting in the pub to discuss potential protests" stuff- I swear some people loved it and saw it as a chance to try and look like a somebody in front of other fans

Why the big debate , if Cov get promoted then more fans will appear

Ps we have to get promted first and don’t count your chickens either

Just like we hmm the Maddison sell on clause money that was done to death by the experts .....

BackRoomRummermill said:

Why the big debate , if Cov get promoted then more fans will appear

Ps we have to get promted first and don’t count your chickens either

Just like we hmm the Maddison sell on clause money that was done to death by the experts .....

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And both aren't as pretty as they appear!

Regardless of promotion a large proportion of the fans still won't come back due to the combination of SISU's ownership / the fact we'd still be in an unfashionable league and we won't see £1 of the Maddison sell on clause.

JamesCCFC said:

And both aren't as pretty as they appear!

Regardless of promotion a large proportion of the fans still won't come back due to the combination of SISU's ownership / the fact we'd still be in an unfashionable league and we won't see £1 of the Maddison sell on clause.

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So where will everything go from the sell on clause then if not to the club?

Nick said:

So where will everything go from the sell on clause then if not to the club?

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I think you can probably guess Nick....

I think whether we win Monday or not s few more fans will go up next season. There is a more positive feel


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