The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (5 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
I genuinely had no idea little Tommy was holding a Brexit march
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I will have to guess what has been said as I am not tempted enough to hit the show idiot content tab enough.

Yes UKIP is going down the racist road. They have taken on members and a leader that are not what UKIP was about. UKIP was for taking us out of the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. Now Farage is on about starting up another party.

Nigel Farage quits Ukip over party's 'extremism' direction
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
It passed off largely peacefully you'll be disappointed to hear.

No tear gas, no water cannon, no blazing barricades.

This is England not europe.
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Only a few arrests. Also, not many turned up and they were completely outnumbered by people opposed to them. A total humiliation for the far right and a disaster for leave supporters. Hundreds of thousands turned up for remain and a couple of thousand for Brexit.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
The whole EU is falling apart. May's attempted sellout-deal is just one tiny part of it.
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It obviously isn’t. Which is why we ended up with a deal no one in the UK wants. May‘s sellout is reality. A divided country trying to negotiate with a united, in this case, Europe.
 
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martcov

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Astute said:
I will have to guess what has been said as I am not tempted enough to hit the show idiot content tab enough.

Yes UKIP is going down the racist road. They have taken on members and a leader that are not what UKIP was about. UKIP was for taking us out of the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. Now Farage is on about starting up another party.

Nigel Farage quits Ukip over party's 'extremism' direction
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UKIP cannot take us out of Europe as it has no MPs.

Now you are quoting press reports about his new party, having told me time and time again that he is an irrelevance and never in the news. You are now claiming his party was supposed to be taking us out of Europe.

Get your story straight.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
There is no deal! It hasn't been voted-on yet and won't be. Britain will leave in March without any deal, sellout or otherwise.
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Ok. Then there is no sellout.

Technically there is no signed deal and it is only the proposed agreement to be able to move on to a trade deal.

The reason why we could leave with no deal is because Europe is united and we are not. Which is the contrary to Europe is falling apart as you claim.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
It was hardly a 'disaster' if none turned up!

In case you haven't noticed yet leave supporters aren't the kind that do that sort of thing.

They do however turn up in their droves to vote at the polling booths, unlike your EU supporters!
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Good. No doubt they will at a second referendum. Bring it on.
 
SIR ERNIE

SIR ERNIE

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dutchman said:
It passed off largely peacefully you'll be disappointed to hear.

No tear gas, no water cannon, no blazing barricades.

This is England not europe.
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Only a couple of thousand, just confirms what a non-racist country this is doesn’t it.

Weren’t there twice as many on the recent AfD march in Berlin which ended in disgraceful scenes and riots?

Also great to see that the anti-racist London march yesterday consisted of Leavers and Remainers.

What a great country this is.
 
dutchman

dutchman

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martcov said:
Technically there is no signed deal and it is only the proposed agreement to be able to move on to a trade deal.
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Which now will never happen.

martcov said:
The reason why we could leave with no deal is because Europe is united and we are not.
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Well they WERE, until Britain rejected May's sellout proposal and now they are desperately scrambling to find some sort of compromise to keep Britain tied to the EU for all eternity.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
Yet you've said repeatedly you're against referendums as a way of deciding national policies!
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Yes, but we have snookered ourselves by having one. The only way to reverse the result, if that is what people want to do, is through the same method. Otherwise there will be claims of denying the will of the people.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
Which now will never happen.



Well they WERE, until Britain rejected May's sellout proposal and now they are desperately scrambling to find some sort of compromise to keep Britain tied to the EU for all eternity.
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Desperately scrambling? Spain wants more leeway on Gibraltar, France wants more fishing rights and May has phoned Tusk asking for help and may postpone the vote. Who is scrambling?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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martcov said:
Yes, but we have snookered ourselves by having one. The only way to reverse the result, if that is what people want to do, is through the same method. Otherwise there will be claims of denying the will of the people.
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Then I guess if there is a poll a few months later wanting a third you’ll be first demanding it?
 
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martcov

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SIR ERNIE said:
Only a couple of thousand, just confirms what a non-racist country this is doesn’t it.

Weren’t there twice as many on the recent AfD march in Berlin which ended in disgraceful scenes and riots?

Also great to see that the anti-racist London march yesterday consisted of Leavers and Remainers.

What a great country this is.
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What AfD march was that in Berlin?

The Brexit March was reported as:

„Alongside Union Jacks, flags for Generation Identity – a pan-European white nationalist group – Britain First and For Britain were everywhere. The British National Party tweeted from the event. Several signs and banners openly advocated violence.“

The Brexit rally was obviously not a very good advertisement for a great country.

It is great that hundreds of thousands protested in favour of the EU a few weeks ago, and an embarrassingly small amount turned out for leave.
 
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martcov

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Grendel said:
Then I guess if there is a poll a few months later wanting a third you’ll be first demanding it?
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No, because it will not happen. If you remember Mogg is on video tape speaking for a second referendum to decide on any deal and Farage said 52:48 remain would mean „ work to be done“.

Should there be a second referendum, it would have to be decisive either way to end the arguments. I agree on that. Let’s see. A landslide for leave would give a strong mandate. Surprised you’re not pushing for it.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
Yep. Foreign students, foreign immigrants and poll-tax dodgers. I was stood behind one in the polling station at Spon Gate School and he was quite miffed to discover you have to be actually registered here before you can vote.
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Hundreds of thousands of poll Tax dodgers demonstrated for remain???? Based on one poll tax dodger being seen in Spon Gate school? ( anecdote: my gran went to that school almost 120 years ago )
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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dutchman said:
Yet you've said repeatedly you're against referendums as a way of deciding national policies!
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He's only against them when he loses. Then the toys get thrown out of the pram.
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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martcov said:
Only a few arrests. Also, not many turned up and they were completely outnumbered by people opposed to them. A total humiliation for the far right and a disaster for leave supporters. Hundreds of thousands turned up for remain and a couple of thousand for Brexit.
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You are completely deluded. Are you so worried about brexit you have to spout this tosh. The overwhelming majority or brexit supporters didn't know about this march or didn't care. You just keep repeating yourself because your seeking reassurance from your mates.
 
dutchman

dutchman

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martcov said:
When were the others?
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As you already know...

Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe - Wikipedia

On 29 May 2005 the French public rejected the Constitution by margin of 55% to 45% on a turnout of 69%. Just three days later, the Dutch rejected the constitution by a margin of 61% to 39% on a turnout of 62%.

Dutch voters also voted against associate membership of the Ukraine in 2016 by a majojority of 61% to 38%.

2016 Dutch Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement referendum - Wikipedia
 
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martcov

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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Hardly. We're not as extreme as you. We go to work for a start.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You are completely deluded. Are you so worried about brexit you have to spout this tosh. The overwhelming majority or brexit supporters didn't know about this march or didn't care. You just keep repeating yourself because your seeking reassurance from your mates.
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Not very extreme at all. Really?

They obviously don’t care enough to show support for Brexit, or are realistic enough to see that May has at least got a deal lined up.
 
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