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Paxman II

Paxman II

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Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?

As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.

So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.

We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.

So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?

Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
 
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thaiskyblue

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paxman ii said:
now i'm no sisu fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at sisu?

As owners of our football club by default i must support them as much as i can, in sickness and in health, even when i can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.

So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of sisu. Acl and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as sisu's.

We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the ricoh.

So if it's nopm against sisu what is it against the acl/council? Are you willing to boycott the ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?

Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
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acl care shitsu don't give a monkeys. Is it that difficult.
 
GaryPendrysEyes

GaryPendrysEyes

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'Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but....'

you keep on posting this again and again, which makes me think you are more of a Sisu fan than the next person.
 
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RogerH

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Paxman II said:
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?

Because they are the owners of the club and are responsible for the management, strategy and direction the club takes.

The other parties you mention are not without fault, but are in essence third parties.

The Council and ACL are tied to Coventry, and were here long before, and will be here long after SISU are a bad memory.
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Spionkop

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Paxman, because Sisu are 99.9% to blame, that's why. They are liars, cheats, crooks, cold hearted business people who have taken the club out of the city.
Jesus wept, how can you possibly take the stance you do. Unbelievable.
 
SkyBlue76

SkyBlue76

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What a blinkered statement.

This is not a SISU versus ACL show. We are not picking sides between SISU and ACL.

HOWEVER, SISU are ruining the club (no argument!) so I, and the majority of fans, want to see the back of them. Their only attempts to legitimately stay at the Ricoh have been to try and bully their way to buying it on the cheap.

ACL, on the other hand, have at least tried to keep the club at the Ricoh by offering to reduce the rent from 1.2m to just £150k - so I much prefer their stance in this debacle.

And even without the club, ACL is managing the operation of a modern stadium that is an asset to the city of Coventry, with or without the football club. I want to see the Ricoh Arena being very successful as it will attract people to the city. The more people that come here, the more investment in the rest of the City.

I do not support ACL. I support Coventry City and I support a successful Ricoh Arena.
 
bringbackrattles

bringbackrattles

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It's alright saying I'm not for SISU but.When I hear a but come you can be sure that means then again I may be !
Your either for them or against them and the vast majority of us hate them with a passion as they are the chief culprits in all this trouble,they should get out and let someone come in who know how to run a Football club.
Tim Fisher is loathed and lets not pretend otherwise as he is just an arrogant man in a suit who hasn't a clue about the real passion of a Fan,and shouldn't be let anywhere near a Football Club ! He should be running a Holiday Camp somewhere !
 
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RoboCCFC90

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Paxman II said:
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?

As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.

So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.

We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.

So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?

Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
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Agree 100% Paxman.

If NOPM is the message it should be applied to ACL as well as SISU. That's the problem with the message. The Sky Blue Trust advertising the Women's Football Match is a joke IMO. Did they do it before, no? Did they campaign that Coventry City Ladies Football Club should be playing in the City of it's namesake when they were playing in Beduff? No, Did they care about it? No didn't give a shit. I don't have an issue with the Trust but if they want to be a trust for Coventry City Football Club and it's supporters shouldn't this include the Tiddly Winks in the academy levels through to the First Team and the Ladies team?
 
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Noggin

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Paxman II said:
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?

As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.

So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.

We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.

So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?

Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
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because sisu are almost completely to blame, even if acl had said tough you have a contract at over a mill a year we won't negotiate you have to pay it (and they did nothing of the sort and they were a thousand times more reasonable than that) it would still have been sisus fault. Sisu are the ones who have moved us away and caused untold damage when it was better for everyone for them to stay where they were even with the overpriced rent and it was unbelievably better for them to stay where they were with the reasonable offer of 400k.
 
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RPHunt

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How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?

Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.

Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
 
covmark

covmark

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RPHunt said:
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?

Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.

Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
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yet another bullshit war analogy, get a grip man
 
James Smith

James Smith

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RPHunt said:
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?

Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.

Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
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Have you ever heard of Godwin's law?
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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If those of you can't understand how the system works then don't just assume you are right.
We keep hearing 150k rent was offered. That is incorrect so please drop that point.

There are two sides to every dispute like it or not and there has to be two sides coming together in order for a solution to be found.

The fact some on here are spouting that there is only one solution and that is SISU must go at all cost merely tells me you have no thought for the very survival of CCFC.

I will state it as many times as it takes: I'm no fan of SISU and there attitude and decision making. And there is a BUT. There always is if you are going to try and find a solution. ACL/Council at this point in time (regardless of the history to this dispute) are indeed in a position to offer a deal to Otium to come back to the Ricoh. Until they make such a formal offer I find it difficult to believe in their motives as much as it is to believe in SISU's motives.

Like it or not we are where we are at this moment and it can be fixed.
 
James Smith

James Smith

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Paxman II said:
If those of you can't understand how the system works then don't just assume you are right.
We keep hearing 150k rent was offered. That is incorrect so please drop that point.

There are two sides to every dispute like it or not and there has to be two sides coming together in order for a solution to be found.

The fact some on here are spouting that there is only one solution and that is SISU must go at all cost merely tells me you have no thought for the very survival of CCFC.

I will state it as many times as it takes: I'm no fan of SISU and there attitude and decision making. And there is a BUT. There always is if you are going to try and find a solution. ACL/Council at this point in time (regardless of the history to this dispute) are indeed in a position to offer a deal to Otium to come back to the Ricoh. Until they make such a formal offer I find it difficult to believe in their motives as much as it is to believe in SISU's motives.

Like it or not we are where we are at this moment and it can be fixed.
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Okay question for you, if what ACL claim Joy allegedly said about the club not coming back to the Ricoh unless she has been sold the freehold at her price is true and her price was derisory (say less than the Higgs share cost them to purchase from the club) what are the council supposed to do?
 
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Cheshire Sky Blue

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Paxman II said:
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?

As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.

So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.

We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.

So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?

Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
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I would imagine that to 99% of supporters the answer is more than obvious. ACL & CCC have been entirely reasonable and have tried to resolve the issue multiple times. SISU and Co have been out to screw everyone over at every opportunity. They are the culpable party in all of this shambles.
 
ohitsaidwalker king power

ohitsaidwalker king power

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Pax
Quite how you conclude that SISU and acl are equally responsible for this sorry tale beggars belief.

They are not

Sisu are responsible for the decline of ccfc over a continued period.Quite why you won't consider the evidence and conclude same leads me to be concerned for your sanity!

You don't have to return a unanimous verdict. Majority will do?
SISU guilty or not guilty of running ccfc to almost extinction?
 
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Cheshire Sky Blue

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ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Pax
Quite how you conclude that SISU and acl are equally responsible for this sorry tale beggars belief.

They are not

Sisu are responsible for the decline of ccfc over a continued period.Quite why you won't consider the evidence and conclude same leads me to be concerned for your sanity!

You don't have to return a unanimous verdict. Majority will do?
SISU guilty or not guilty of running ccfc to almost extinction?
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Guilty as charged Me Lord!!
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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Christ, someone should email Godwin!

RPHunt said:
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?

Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.

Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
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Samo

Samo

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RPHunt said:
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?

Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.

Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
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Actually I'm a bit cross about that
 
Samo

Samo

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I hate SISU with a passion but there is blame elsewhere so... non payment of council tax anyone?
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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I never said there was equal measures of blame!

James most are fully aware that was not at all Joy's statement!? Are you actually using that too? (prove it to me and I'll retract it)
Like the 150k rent offer, also not true.

Christ people just use the facts not your own misguided thoughts.
 
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Noggin

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people shouting Godwins Law as a response rather than arguing against his points are worse than than using a nazi analogy, His point was obvious, his point was fair, it's not like he actually compared sisu to nazis, he shouldn't have used them as an analogy if only for the fact it allows responses like yours which are unhelpful and diversionary.

There was no omg Tim Fisher is evil he is like so much worse than hitler, sisu are such nazis what they are doing to us is as bad as what the nazi's did to the jews. Something like that would deserve ridicule and cries of Godwins Law. Using an analogy of how people involved in the war blamed the main villians rather attributing equal blame between the main villains and everyone who hadn't acted perfectly is a very fair point. We hear alot of I'm unbiased, both sides are to blame and while it's fair that some blame does like with the council and acl it's really a tiny amount and if sisu had acted even 1/10th as reasonably as acl then we'd be playing in Coventry. So really the both sides share blame argument while technically true is exceptionally misleading.
 
James Smith

James Smith

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Paxman II said:
I never said there was equal measures of blame!

James most are fully aware that was not at all Joy's statement!? Are you actually using that too? (prove it to me and I'll retract it)
Like the 150k rent offer, also not true.

Christ people just use the facts not your own misguided thoughts.
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You may have noticed that I said "if what ACL claim Joy allegedly said" so I wasn't suggesting it was true just posing the question. I've seen nothing written to say it isn't true and if you have something defamatory written about you then it is in your interests to take action, as if you don't it becomes harder to defend next time someone makes the same allegation. Given the SISU predeliction for court action or at the very least resorting to lawyers I find the silence a bit odd. Do you have anything that says what she did say as you seem pretty certain.
 
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Grappa

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Noggin said:
people shouting Godwins Law as a response rather than arguing against his points are worse than than using a nazi analogy, His point was obvious, his point was fair, it's not like he actually compared sisu to nazis, he shouldn't have used them as an analogy if only for the fact it allows responses like yours which are unhelpful and diversionary.

There was no omg Tim Fisher is evil he is like so much worse than hitler, sisu are such nazis what they are doing to us is as bad as what the nazi's did to the jews. Something like that would deserve ridicule and cries of Godwins Law. Using an analogy of how people involved in the war blamed the main villians rather attributing equal blame between the main villains and everyone who hadn't acted perfectly is a very fair point. We hear alot of I'm unbiased, both sides are to blame and while it's fair that some blame does like with the council and acl it's really a tiny amount and if sisu had acted even 1/10th as reasonably as acl then we'd be playing in Coventry. So really the both sides share blame argument while technically true is exceptionally misleading.
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It's this sort of apologist nonsense that gave the National Socialist German Workers Party political traction.
 
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dadgad

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Spionkop said:
Paxman, because Sisu are 99.9% to blame, that's why. They are liars, cheats, crooks, cold hearted business people who have taken the club out of the city.
Jesus wept, how can you possibly take the stance you do. Unbelievable.
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This.
 
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