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Its not a question of trust but business - SISU want to put as little as possible into the club because it is continually losing money every month. They have put millions in and seen no return and unless they get the stadium and flip it, will never see a return so any way they can reduce their...

Got to agree with you young Taylor we need to be financially more prudent - although I seriously doubt we offered anything like that amount (nor should we). I was told that we were not paying anything for McG in his initial spell as it was just that Forest wanted him in the shop window and away...

Robo the big mistake I believe you are making is assuming that any savings made on rent would have been ploughed into players etc - I tend to beleive any rent savings would simply have lessened the amount SISU have to put into the club to cover the losses and not an extra penny would have gone...

So its not SISU's fault but it is ACL's is it? Don't open a can of worms that's not applicable.

I doubt we tried to sign him simply because he is out of our price bracket and to be fair Waggott said that right from the start - no blame attached to SISU its just a fact of life at CCFC. Whether you can blame SISU (and previously equally incompetent owners) for putting us in a position where...

Good luck to him, he did a great job for us but like all modern footballers he will go where the money is. Now am sitting back now and awaiting first post about how crap McGoldrick is and how he was totally over rated etc

Sorry have to totally disagree with the last line. The rent was set in conjunction with CCFC when the stadium opened, at that time CCFC (through Mike McGinnity) had the option to pay rent based on attendances or a flat fee - surprisingly CCFC got it wrong again. The rent was set at the level it...

Just hope the organisation is better than it was for the Sheff Utd game - no one seemed to know if it was allocated seating or sit anywhere, arguments breaking that because of that, not enough turnstiles open etc. Hopefully if numbers turn up again they have a contingency of opening the...

Maybe Elliott was taken in by the SISU and the slick, optimistic presentation that was given to all shareholders as much as the rest of us, lets be honest for the first few months everything looked good but subsequent events have proved anything but. Still hindsight is a wonderful thing

Certainly looked a handful when scoring against us at Ricoh - don't think I have seen any striker give Wood and Edge so many problems this season. Hopefully he can reproduce that on a regular basis. He is a different type of striker to McG but fingers crossed can be equally as effective - good...

Depends what you think the club is doing - if it was simply about getting a lower rent then fine, I think we would all like the club to be paying lower rent and investing on the pitch. Is with holding the rent the right way to go about it? Probably not if long term relations are to be...

I think if it was simply about the rent a compromise would have been reached weeks if not months ago - the longer this goes on the more obvious it becomes that this is about trying to force ACL into admin and getting stadium for minimal amount - my real worry is that SISU have misjudged the...

Bringing in an England international and a Cameroonian (is that a word?) international is hardly weakening it

I hope they are still communicating whether its by email, face to face, telephone, smoke signals or whatever but if they stop talking without resolution then it will be bad news for everyone. Sadly, like many the longer this drags on, like many on here I believe this whole sorry saga is about...

I would guess because the number Fisher wants is strategically set at below their costs etc. And maybe thats suddenly why Joy now questioning paying rates etc. If you move the goalposts often enough you can always ensure a non agreement.

Can we stop talking about fair rents, average rents, any rents - SISU don't want to pay any rent because they simply want to break ACL - even pro SISU posters have agreed that this is what is going on. If SISU were negotiating openly to buy at fair price then we could be discussing whether we...

I remember when during the initial successful spell under Boothroyd teams were moaning that we were over physical and bullying - if other teams are complaining then you are doing something right

I believe Robinsons thinking is we are moaning we are pennyless aren't paying any rent yet have a wage bill of some 4 mill. Where this argument falls down is that no extra money is being spent as a result of withholding rent - rent saving is part of a bigger battle and doubt whether Joy even...

When do Villa kick off? Every 15 minutes I'll get my coat .....

Matty - the bank is concerned but hopefully not terminally, even Fisher unprofessionally disclosed this when he revealed that third party restructuring experts had been brought into ACL by the bank to look at ways of restructuring the business and/or the loan.