1st 10 games - How many points? (1 Viewer)

sylus · Aug 2, 2012

tbh..thorn should of been sacked last season..he gets no clean slate from me.the sooner he is gone.the better the club will be.

TheBoss · Aug 2, 2012

usskyblue said:
I reckon

9

2 wins
3 draws
5 kick the cat

We'd have done well to have 0 points.

Astute · Aug 2, 2012

None of us know how the season will go. How will AT do now he has enough players for nearly every position. He don't have to rely on untried youth. Are the new players good enough? Is AT good enough? How poor are most of the clubs we will be playing against?

I have an open mind this season. It can go both ways. Not guilty until proven otherwise.

Otis · Aug 2, 2012

And I have said I will give him a fresh start.

But I can only make my prediction thus far for this season based on the fact that the newbies are free, unknown quantities and that we still have many of the usual suspects who took us down last.

And yet seemingly you want me to say now that AT is a good manager if we make the top 6 come the end of the season.

Too many factors involved for me to do that.

Astute · Aug 2, 2012

That is not what I said. You said it would take a very good manager to get us in the top 6, but if AT is the manager then you would look at mistakes made. Nothing about looking for mistakes made if the manager isn't AT though. Otherwise we are both saying the same thing whilst using different words.

Don't sound like a clean slate to me.

Perryccfc · Aug 2, 2012

I know he was a drip but aidy hoofroyd said aiming for 15 points from every 10 games would be playoff form. So 15 from first second third and fourth 10 plus around 8 points from the remaining 6 and it would be an overachieving season in my opinion. Dont agree with the negativity on this forum but that's for another day.

Somerset Sky Blue · Aug 2, 2012

About 15 is my guess - like all other fans, I would prefer 20 or over points, but don't think that is realistic.
The AT debate will continue, I'm sure, but if our point tally is below 12 after 10 games, then I think it would be sensible THEN to look at whether he is capable of leading us back up and seeing what options we have available in terms of managers, as we aren't going to attract many good ones, for the kind of salary/prospects/transfer budget we would offer!

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 3, 2012

Perryccfc said:
I know he was a drip but aidy hoofroyd said aiming for 15 points from every 10 games would be playoff form. So 15 from first second third and fourth 10 plus around 8 points from the remaining 6 and it would be an overachieving season in my opinion. Dont agree with the negativity on this forum but that's for another day.

That would be 68 points which you would be very lucky to make the play offs with

So Hoofroyd can add basic Match to the list of things he is inept at as well as football management

Dan Griffin · Aug 3, 2012

CCFC said:
That would be 68 points which you would be very lucky to make the play offs with

So Hoofroyd can add basic Match to the list of things he is inept at as well as football management

Aim for/minimum.

Paxman II · Aug 3, 2012

Otis said:
Talking end of the season not first 10 games here.

Just can't see us doing it under Thorn.

Guess it all depends on how the season pans out. If we finish top 6 but a number of points are lost due to perceived mistakes by the manager I might then be saying that a good manager would have us top 2. Not moving the goalposts here, even if it seems I am. Just saying it depends on how the season pans out.

We do really well but then throw points away in certain games due to the manager's decision making then I don't see my being able to say he is a good manager. In that circumstance (as with last season) I will be saying a good manager would have more points on the board.

For me he made many mistakes last season. Just can't see that he has learnt so much so quickly in order for him to be suddenly considered a good manager.

Also, it very much depends on the new players, the players Thorn has brought in. They do really well and he is going to look really clued up and it will reflect really well upon him. They fail and it's another thing for fans to throw back at him.

In answer to your question, the answer I can give is based upon so many factors that I simply cannot say that top 6 would make AT a good manager I'm afraid.

For most on here they are expecting top 6 anyway, whoever was at the helm.

...just sitting on the fence again then Otis I see? Can't you just call it for once and risk being wrong?

Paxman II · Aug 3, 2012

We have to hit the ground running it's as simple as that. We may not have intimidated teams in the Championship coming to the Ricoh but league 1 sides like Yeovil and co? Yes some will look at it as a great chance to inspire their performances on very a nice pitch in a very nice stadium and the odd surprise will come from it but overall we should be very strong at home...perhaps undefeated.
Away from home we will have huge support. Nuneaton friendly recently saw a couple of thousand turn up in support. League games the support we generate at this level will be a huge advantage as we out sing the home sides and in some cases out number them.
Being realistic and all things being equal and once AT settles his signings and gets underway for real.....expect the first 10 games to haul in 20+ points and that will put us on the road to promotion.
This league has just lost most of it's stronger sides with a couple of exceptions and those that came down with us this time are also to be discounted. It's our best chance!
These players should have noticed how hard it has been for any of our players to find new clubs apart from Biggi and Keogh. I said before the money is not there so they are playing for their careers this season. That should be motivation enough.

I want Malaga and Cameron at the back. Cody fit up front, Baker out wide and on his game with Sheff out left. Kick every one up the pants and go get promotion.

Otis · Aug 3, 2012

Astute said:
That is not what I said. You said it would take a very good manager to get us in the top 6, but if AT is the manager then you would look at mistakes made. Nothing about looking for mistakes made if the manager isn't AT though. Otherwise we are both saying the same thing whilst using different words.

Don't sound like a clean slate to me.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.

We could finish top 6 under Thorn and I could still say Thorn is not a good manager, yes that is true.

We could finish top 6 under another manager though and I could also say they were not a good manager too. We could finish top 6 under any manager and I could still say they were not a good manager.

It all depends on what happens during the season and how good a team we look.

Now do you understand? I am most certainly not saying that if we finish top 6 under Thorn I will necessarily be looking for his mistakes.

I will look at the team and how we do. If we look brilliant or are looking really good in many games and look like we should be top of the table but then finish 6th then I will of course be looking at where it went wrong.

Could be stupid errors by players. That would be the players fault. If we lose points though through clear errors the manager has made and then we don't finish in the top 2 when we look like we should be top 2 then of course I would be pointing at Thorn's mistakes.

I would do the same with any manager. If we finished 6th when I believe we should have finished top, you want me to say Thorn is a good manager? That would just be plain daft.

We finish 6th with any manager when it seems clear we should have been much higher then I will criticise whichever manager is in charge.

We are only talking here about Thorn because he is our manager and did make a number of very bad mistakes in my book last season.

This is a new season now though and it will be a clean slate for me, as it will be for David Bell too.

Looking at what we have now at this moment in time though, with this squad, I can't see anything other than midtable at best.

And Paxman, How am I sitting on the fence? I have not seen a single pre-season game and so have not seen any of the 7 players we have brought in. How on earth can I predict how they are going to do and how City are going to perform?

It's all pure guesswork.

I am basing my predictions on the fact none of the players we have brought in have particularly good records elsewhere, that we have lost our best players and that the players that underperformed for us last year (Sheff, Bell, Baker, Deegan etc) are all still here.

If as the season starts I can see that we have a good team and squad for this division, then I will be expecting top 6. For me as for most of us though, many of the players are completely unknown quantities and I am not expecting them to be half as good as we want them to be.

My prediction based on what I know now is 14th.

Ask me again 10 games in.

Fluffsta · Aug 3, 2012

We need 15 points minimum if we are to take on the title race. If we have less than 15 points after 10 games we are not going anywhere soon in my opinion.

Greggs · Aug 3, 2012

7 points. 5 scored. 12 conceded.

Astute · Aug 3, 2012

That is much better

Not putting words into your mouth though. Just questioning the words coming out of it.

If anyone says we will be top 2 it is a guess. Top 6 is a guess. Top half is a guess........get the drift?

I last lived in Cov about 20 years ago. Other than when I lived in London all the local teams to where I have lived have been in the lower 2 leagues or lower. I am used to going to games with people to watch lower league dross. I have watched lower teams get promotion to Championship level. I have then seen them go back down more or less straight away. Once back down again they become one of the top teams again.

I work alongside a Carlisle fan. He thinks we will be playoffs minimum with the players we have. They just missed the playoffs last season. I wouldn't want any of their players. They would love some of ours. If I am not at work I will be in with the Carlisle fans when we go there. My most local game this season, only an hour away.

Yes it will be down to how quick our squad and team gels. It will be down to tactics. It will also be down to luck. 14th would be a disaster. Mid table would be a disaster. So we didn't pay for any players. Neither did any other clubs at this level. we lost two of our best players? There will be clubs that lost their only two decent players.

To me this season will be about motivation as much as anything else. Last season most of us could see the motivation was there. Lack of players and experience went against us. It might take us some games to get the squad playing as a team. This is what friendlies is all about. We have certainly seen it like this so far. We do have players that can be the best in Div3 this season. Will they be though? Will AT be good enough? We will see.

For all of these reasons I say we will be in the top 6. If we are not in the top 6 then we need to bring in a manager that will get us into the top 6. We may not have the quality of players we consider to be good enough for us, but we are at a level below what we are used to. We should be dictating games at home. We should at least be on par with most clubs away from home. Luck will come into it. We will lose games we should win. Certainly will be a season of ups and downs. Proper football grounds. Great away days. We will be cup finals for lots of teams.

I am not saying it will be easy, but unless it all goes horribly wrong it will not be as hard as a lot of us think. Mid table mediocrity is not good enough by a long way. The top 6 clubs lost a maximum 6 games all last season. They played each other 10 times. This shows how much they were above the rest. I am not being overconfident saying 20 points in the 1st 10 games. This is what we should get. This is what we will need. 15 points will not be good enough.

Now is the time for AT to pull his finger out and get us playing and getting the results we should be getting. No more excuses. Last season there were reasons. This season there are none. Clean slate and all that sort of thing, but not a massive slate. Top 6 at Xmas, but if we have a poor start then we need change. Nothing less will be good enough for me.

1nilandwe... · Aug 3, 2012

It's almost impossible to judge how Thorn is going to be as a manager next season. The pressures and tasks involved with forcing a team towards the top of the table are completely different to those involved with keeping a team away from relegation. If I had to bet on whether he's up to it, I'd have to go for 'no' and ideally we would have changed managers. I'd love it, LOVE IT if he went and proved us all wrong.

Points prediction..... 14.

Otis · Aug 3, 2012

Some very fair and reasoned comments there.

Otis · Aug 3, 2012

Astute said:
That is much better

Not putting words into your mouth though. Just questioning the words coming out of it.

If anyone says we will be top 2 it is a guess. Top 6 is a guess. Top half is a guess........get the drift?

I last lived in Cov about 20 years ago. Other than when I lived in London all the local teams to where I have lived have been in the lower 2 leagues or lower. I am used to going to games with people to watch lower league dross. I have watched lower teams get promotion to Championship level. I have then seen them go back down more or less straight away. Once back down again they become one of the top teams again.

I work alongside a Carlisle fan. He thinks we will be playoffs minimum with the players we have. They just missed the playoffs last season. I wouldn't want any of their players. They would love some of ours. If I am not at work I will be in with the Carlisle fans when we go there. My most local game this season, only an hour away.

Yes it will be down to how quick our squad and team gels. It will be down to tactics. It will also be down to luck. 14th would be a disaster. Mid table would be a disaster. So we didn't pay for any players. Neither did any other clubs at this level. we lost two of our best players? There will be clubs that lost their only two decent players.

To me this season will be about motivation as much as anything else. Last season most of us could see the motivation was there. Lack of players and experience went against us. It might take us some games to get the squad playing as a team. This is what friendlies is all about. We have certainly seen it like this so far. We do have players that can be the best in Div3 this season. Will they be though? Will AT be good enough? We will see.

For all of these reasons I say we will be in the top 6. If we are not in the top 6 then we need to bring in a manager that will get us into the top 6. We may not have the quality of players we consider to be good enough for us, but we are at a level below what we are used to. We should be dictating games at home. We should at least be on par with most clubs away from home. Luck will come into it. We will lose games we should win. Certainly will be a season of ups and downs. Proper football grounds. Great away days. We will be cup finals for lots of teams.

I am not saying it will be easy, but unless it all goes horribly wrong it will not be as hard as a lot of us think. Mid table mediocrity is not good enough by a long way. The top 6 clubs lost a maximum 6 games all last season. They played each other 10 times. This shows how much they were above the rest. I am not being overconfident saying 20 points in the 1st 10 games. This is what we should get. This is what we will need. 15 points will not be good enough.

Now is the time for AT to pull his finger out and get us playing and getting the results we should be getting. No more excuses. Last season there were reasons. This season there are none. Clean slate and all that sort of thing, but not a massive slate. Top 6 at Xmas, but if we have a poor start then we need change. Nothing less will be good enough for me.

You had me half believing there for a minute or two ..... until you said the top 6 clubs only lost 6 games maximum.

There is no way on this earth I can believe that we will only lose 6 games. No way. Just not in our blood. Not in our history. Not in our make-up.

I wonder just how many years you would need to go back to find a season where we lost just 6 games.

Otis · Aug 3, 2012

Just checked back and just pulled out our Championship seasons.

Games lost:

24

19

18

18

21

22

15

20

15

20

20

20

The season we finished 8th we lost 15. And before anyone says it was a higher league, we surely had better players for the Championship. It's all relative and comparable, so unless we have brought in some real gems I cannot see us losing anything less than 10 games.

And just checked and the last time we lost just 6 games was 1966/67. We finished top and were promoted to the First Division (now the Premier).

Nowt like putting a bit of pressure on the manager is there.

blueflint · Aug 3, 2012

Astute said:
That is much better

Not putting words into your mouth though. Just questioning the words coming out of it.

If anyone says we will be top 2 it is a guess. Top 6 is a guess. Top half is a guess........get the drift?

I last lived in Cov about 20 years ago. Other than when I lived in London all the local teams to where I have lived have been in the lower 2 leagues or lower. I am used to going to games with people to watch lower league dross. I have watched lower teams get promotion to Championship level. I have then seen them go back down more or less straight away. Once back down again they become one of the top teams again.

I work alongside a Carlisle fan. He thinks we will be playoffs minimum with the players we have. They just missed the playoffs last season. I wouldn't want any of their players. They would love some of ours. If I am not at work I will be in with the Carlisle fans when we go there. My most local game this season, only an hour away.

Yes it will be down to how quick our squad and team gels. It will be down to tactics. It will also be down to luck. 14th would be a disaster. Mid table would be a disaster. So we didn't pay for any players. Neither did any other clubs at this level. we lost two of our best players? There will be clubs that lost their only two decent players.

To me this season will be about motivation as much as anything else. Last season most of us could see the motivation was there. Lack of players and experience went against us. It might take us some games to get the squad playing as a team. This is what friendlies is all about. We have certainly seen it like this so far. We do have players that can be the best in Div3 this season. Will they be though? Will AT be good enough? We will see.

For all of these reasons I say we will be in the top 6. If we are not in the top 6 then we need to bring in a manager that will get us into the top 6. We may not have the quality of players we consider to be good enough for us, but we are at a level below what we are used to. We should be dictating games at home. We should at least be on par with most clubs away from home. Luck will come into it. We will lose games we should win. Certainly will be a season of ups and downs. Proper football grounds. Great away days. We will be cup finals for lots of teams.

I am not saying it will be easy, but unless it all goes horribly wrong it will not be as hard as a lot of us think. Mid table mediocrity is not good enough by a long way. The top 6 clubs lost a maximum 6 games all last season. They played each other 10 times. This shows how much they were above the rest. I am not being overconfident saying 20 points in the 1st 10 games. This is what we should get. This is what we will need. 15 points will not be good enough.

Now is the time for AT to pull his finger out and get us playing and getting the results we should be getting. No more excuses. Last season there were reasons. This season there are none. Clean slate and all that sort of thing, but not a massive slate. Top 6 at Xmas, but if we have a poor start then we need change. Nothing less will be good enough for me.

hey good post m8 i live carlisle myself and have heard the same crack lets hope we live up to expectations

neilyboy67 · Aug 3, 2012

ooh id say about 12 points 4 one nil wins and 6 defeats..........inspiring, then again im a cov fan what can i expect?

Otis · Aug 3, 2012

The top 6 clubs lost a maximum 6 games all last season.

Just checked and thank fook you are wrong, Astute!!!

Sheff Weds lost 9
Sheff Utd lost 10
Huddersfield lost 7
Milton Keynes lost 10
Stevenage lost 9

Only Charlton lost less than 6. They lost just 5 games.You had me very worried for a while there.

hill83 · Aug 3, 2012

I really can't get behind this 'clean slate' mentality. Last season was a disaster. All the evidence points to the same happening again.

Obviously I hope that isn't the case, shouldn't need to be mentioned, but a couple of people have been accused of wanting Thorn to fail and wanting us to lose.
That isn't the case here

I'm not going to guess the amount of points, as the last time I went through the league and predicted the scores I had us finishing on 74 points the season we got relegated from the premiership. :facepalm:

Otis · Aug 3, 2012

Nearly every season I think we are going to make the play-offs.

Last season was the very first where I predicted a relegation struggle.

Maybe if I say we will finish bottom we'll finish top!

skybluedaze · Aug 3, 2012

I think a minimum of 17 points from the first 10 games and no less. Any less would be very poor. There are some good sides in League 1. It's going to be tougher than you think.

skybluesteve76 · Aug 3, 2012

Perryccfc said:
I know he was a drip but aidy hoofroyd said aiming for 15 points from every 10 games would be playoff form. So 15 from first second third and fourth 10 plus around 8 points from the remaining 6 and it would be an overachieving season in my opinion. Dont agree with the negativity on this forum but that's for another day.

It was Coleman that said that.

CTID · Aug 3, 2012

going by how league one finished last year, top 6 teams would have averaged 19 points in 10 games. Obviously theres a lot of factors involved so you cant take it as gospel but it gives us an idea of what we should be aiming for. So from my point of view ill be disappointed with less than 15 points.

Astute · Aug 3, 2012

Yes sorry was goin by memory and was still heavily under the influence of alcohol from last night. But I do also think that only 6 clubs had a positive GD last season. On my phone, so not checking stats, but in the Championship any team can lose to anyone. Div3 is different. We start against one of the relegation favourites. We need to start with a win.

Grendel · Aug 3, 2012

Astute said:
Yes sorry was goin by memory and was still heavily under the influence of alcohol from last night. But I do also think that only 6 clubs had a positive GD last season. On my phone, so not checking stats, but in the Championship any team can lose to anyone. Div3 is different. We start against one of the relegation favourites. We need to start with a win.

We do need to start with a win. It's away from home and we need to win plenty of games on our travels - this relegated us last season - it cannot be allowed to prevent a promotion push this.

dongonzalos · Aug 3, 2012

I would be happy with home wins, away draws, supplemented by the odd away win and defeat. Think that would see us in top six. Getting concerned about this finisher and supplier though.
There must be some available on loan

sylus · Aug 3, 2012

automatic promotion is what we should be aiming for.we should expect nothing less.althou a top 6 finish would be deemed ok,with a chance via the playoffs maybe..but i have a feeling neither will happen,more mid table althou i hope im wrong.

Astute · Aug 3, 2012

We should be aiming at coming 1st. I would be as happy as anyone to come in top 2. Top 6 satisfactory unless we go up via playoffs. Below 6th a disaster.

This is not me being overconfident. This is where we should be. Not sure it is where we will be though.

Astute · Aug 3, 2012

blueflint said:
hey good post m8 i live carlisle myself and have heard the same crack lets hope we live up to expectations

You will have to join me in the Carlisle end if I am not at work

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