I know that's what I've been thinking, I doubt they were doing 70 but looking at the car possibly 50-60?
I know that's what I've been thinking, I doubt they were doing 70 but looking at the car possibly 50-60?It doesn't make sense. How would they have got to that speed if they'd parked in the car park?
Ok, it sounded plausible, but I hope you're right, that's terrible enough.That doesn't fit with what my wife's friend said, she believes the mother was kneeling down sobbing.
It doesn't make sense. How would they have got to that speed if they'd parked in the car park?
Are we getting into territory here where a Landlord is at least morally culpable when serving someone they're aware is driving?
If they didn't park anywhere near the pub how would they even know? Plus, I have driven to the pub many times ans then just left my car in the car park so how would you then know they were going to get in it as they left unless they physically followed them out of the pub.Always wondered about that, if they know somebody is going to go outside and drive they have to have a bit of common sense. If it's a local they know is terrible for it they can stop them, I remember the landlord of the local used to refuse to serve unless certain people gave him their keys until the next day.
If it's a busy pub though that isn't really full of locals and the car park isn't in view I'm not sure how they could police it.
If they didn't park anywhere near the pub how would they even know? Plus, I have driven to the pub many times ans then just left my car in the car park so how would you then know they were going to get in it as they left unless they physically followed them out of the pub.
I don't think any Landlord could be found culpable IMO unless they specifically knew or lent them their car etc.
They didn't necessarily have to have been parked in the car park though, which is very small.
And personally if I was drink driving and bang on the gear I don't think I would park in the pub car park either and then drive out.
Have to admit I saw the girls name mentioned elsewhere and it ties in what I have saw on FB and the bloke in question is quite well known around Wyken and certainly people in the Lady would have knew who he is.
Either way it will all come out soon enough.
Same here SB. Why do people think you're some sort of saint because you don't want to drink and drive? Annoys the shit out of me when someone says "You'll be alright with just one." No! If I'm driving anywhere, I won't have even half a shandy because it has alcohol in it. Sorry guys, but I'm the sort that believes in absolute ZERO alcohol behind the wheel. And I would gladly shop ANYONE who I know has been drinking , over the limit and wants to drive! I wouldn't call that being a "grass". I'd call it possibly saving an innocent person's life!Agree 100% with that. I hardly drink these days but whenever I let people know I don't drink and drive at all, I always end up being told "you can have a couple" and it seems to wind people up when I don't.
I can enjoy an evening out and drink coke or similar. When I don't drive, THAT'S when I can let my hair down a bit, so zero tolerance for me!Firstly, RIP to the victims, absolute tragedy. Scumbags who done it are arseholes. Fully deserve what they get.
I'm not sure the drink drive limit should be zero. You could go out, have a couple of pints with a meal and be completely fine, but be over the limit. I think it's fine as it is now. You need a little margin for people to be able to enjoy themselves.
I don't drink and only have 1 or 2, it doesn't make sense to me, if I'm drinking I'm doing it to get pissed so wouldn't have a car with me anyway.
I can enjoy an evening out and drink coke or similar. When I don't drive, THAT'S when I can let my hair down a bit, so zero tolerance for me!
Zero tolerance isn't the answer for me, It's a tragic even that would have happened if the limit was 0 or 20 units. You need a margin for the people who have a drink on a Friday night then go out shopping with the missus on the Saturday afternoon, etc. They'll still have it in their system. Last time I had a drink was when I was on holiday about 6 months ago, so I have no vested interest.
It's refreshing to see some of the posts on here, and while I think the country in general has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol overall, we probably are one of the most conscious when it comes to drinking and driving.
Road safety in general I would sayIt's refreshing to see some of the posts on here, and while I think the country in general has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol overall, we probably are one of the most conscious when it comes to drinking and driving.
You need a margin for the people who have a drink on a Friday night then go out shopping with the missus on the Saturday afternoon, etc. They'll still have it in their system.
I know from hearing stories that my dads generation it was the done thing. Was there some sort of push to make it be seen as a bad thing to do? None of my friends would even consider it.
Older people at work and in the pub etc it’s seen as a bit of a giggle. “LOL drove home pissed last night” where as everyone around my age that I know you’d get slated. Anecdotal evidence but still interesting.
I'm your age, but I think there was a campaign to change attitudes towards it, which luckily seems to have been successful. My GF used to do it over in Italy without a second thought when she was younger but it doesnt have the same stigma amongst the younger generations there as it does here. I think it's probably the same in France as well
Death by dangerous driving, already banned no insurance .
It's been confirmed it is those people off social media now!
Man and woman charged over deaths of two young brothers
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