2-year old killed in hit-and-run, McDonald Road (2 Viewers)

Johnnythespider · Feb 25, 2018

Macca said:
I have a feeling whoever is proven to be the passenger may well get off lightly

This is what I was thinking, not sure how sitting in the passenger seat makes you guilty of death by dangerous driving, and playing devils advocate as there is no alcohol related charge the driver might not be as severely punished as some are expecting. I've seen some of the stuff on the woman's Facebook page and she certainly isn't someone you'd take home to meet your mum, but telling her daughter she should stand in a road and wait to be knocked down is pretty bad.

Grendel · Feb 25, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
This is what I was thinking, not sure how sitting in the passenger seat makes you guilty of death by dangerous driving, and playing devils advocate as there is no alcohol related charge the driver might not be as severely punished as some are expecting. I've seen some of the stuff on the woman's Facebook page and she certainly isn't someone you'd take home to meet your mum, but telling her daughter she should stand in a road and wait to be knocked down is pretty bad.

The driver was banned and had no insurance so they will get a fairly stiff sentence.

Johnnythespider · Feb 25, 2018

Grendel said:
The driver was banned and had no insurance so they will get a fairly stiff sentence.

Agreed but there are those who think the key will be thrown away, and that won't happen

Grendel · Feb 25, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
Agreed but there are those who think the key will be thrown away, and that won't happen

Out in 5 is my guess

Johnnythespider · Feb 25, 2018

Grendel said:
Out in 5 is my guess

A lot of people will be understandably disappointed with that sentence , it doesn't really fit the crime.

Nick · Feb 25, 2018

Was the bloke not drink driving then?

Johnnythespider · Feb 25, 2018

Nick said:
Was the bloke not drink driving then?

I've not seen it in the charges, I may have missed it.

Nick · Feb 25, 2018

They were arrested on suspicion, maybe the one at the station wasn't over the limit

wingy · Feb 25, 2018

No drink driing

Nick · Feb 25, 2018

Death by dangerous driving Sentences - Causing death by dangerous driving - Wikipedia

A person convicted of causing death by dangerous driving is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.[2] Disqualification for a minimum of two years is obligatory on conviction.[3] Endorsement is obligatory on conviction.[4] The offence carries three to eleven penalty points (when the defendant is exceptionally not disqualified).[5]

The Court of Appeal in R v Cooksley and others[6] gave guidelines for cases where death is caused by dangerous driving. In R v Richardson[7] the Court of Appeal reassessed the starting point set out in R v Cooksley taking into consideration the increase in the maximum penalty. The relevant starting points identified in Cooksley should be reassessed as follows:

i) No aggravating circumstances – twelve months to two years' imprisonment (previously 18 months);
ii) Intermediate culpability - two to four and a half years' imprisonment (previously 3 years);
iii) Higher culpability – four and a half to seven years' imprisonment (previously 5 years);
iv) Most serious culpability – seven to fourteen years' imprisonment (previous starting point of 6 years).

Grendel · Feb 25, 2018

The Lee Hughes case was no worse than this in reality - his sentence was very small

Captain Dart · Feb 25, 2018

Macca said:
I have a feeling whoever is proven to be the passenger may well get off lightly

Pound to a penny they blame each other.

Captain Dart · Feb 25, 2018

Grendel said:
The Lee Hughes case was no worse than this in reality - his sentence was very small

I bet Hughes had a good lawyer and was advised well.
This chap does not have the intellect or sense to do anything but aggravate the situation.
* and I hope his bad attitude serves to maximise his sentence.

Westendlad · Feb 25, 2018

Grendel said:
Out in 5 is my guess

Rob a bank and expect treble that...........Never understand how money is more important than killing people but hey ho..

clint van damme · Feb 26, 2018

Captain Dart said:
I bet Hughes had a good lawyer and was advised well.
This chap does not have the intellect or sense to do anything but aggravate the situation.
* and I hope his bad attitude serves to maximise his sentence.

Yep. His behaviour in court the other day will have been noted.

lifeskyblue · Feb 26, 2018

Yesterday son reffed the u10 leicester academy v Aston Villa. The coaches of both clubs asked for a minutes silence for the lads killed. Well observed by kids and parents alike. Nice touch by both clubs.

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LastGarrison · Feb 26, 2018

Went to see my Old Man today and walked past the spot a couple of times and it was heartbreaking.

Lots of people pulling up and paying their respects and leaving flowers, teddies etc. and there is a picture hanging on the tree depicting two boys holding hands and walking away, have to admit I was close to shedding a tear...

fernandopartridge · Feb 26, 2018

Macca said:
This kind of thing brings all the plebs out. General scum bags who sieze the opportunity to momentarily enjoy the moral high ground. Don't give 2 hoots for the victims just want to spit bile

Indeed. Found a lot of the reaction crass.

kdrinkell · Feb 27, 2018

The driver will be getting life
Life sentences for killer drivers - GOV.UK

wingy · Feb 27, 2018

kdrinkell said:
The driver will be getting life
Life sentences for killer drivers - GOV.UK

Has that been through Parliament yet?
Note there is a reference to banned drivers in that too.

shmmeee · Feb 28, 2018

fernandopartridge said:
Indeed. Found a lot of the reaction crass.

I hate the “are you a parent?” Card, but I’m gonna pull it. Since I became one the visceral reaction to stories like this is something else. I wouldn’t blame anyone who has kids of a similar age for wanting blood TBF.

Of course, that’s why we have a justice system. People close to the incident don’t think straight.

hill83 · Feb 28, 2018

shmmeee said:
I hate the “are you a parent?” Card, but I’m gonna pull it. Since I became one the visceral reaction to stories like this is something else. I wouldn’t blame anyone who has kids of a similar age for wanting blood TBF.

Of course, that’s why we have a justice system. People close to the incident don’t think straight.

The "are you a parent card" definitely works. I would have seen this before I had a child and thought it's a shame etc, but having a 2 year old myself and living nearby it's got to me way more than I thought something like this would.

But 'wanting blood' etc, not for me. All this "lock me in a room with them and see what I'll do" is not for me. Letting the criminal justice system do it's work is the right way to respond.

clint van damme · Feb 28, 2018

shmmeee said:
I hate the “are you a parent?” Card, but I’m gonna pull it. Since I became one the visceral reaction to stories like this is something else. I wouldn’t blame anyone who has kids of a similar age for wanting blood TBF.

Of course, that’s why we have a justice system. People close to the incident don’t think straight.

what, the blood of someone who wasn't responsible? And we're not talking about people close to the incident, we're talking about the Facebook mob.

shmmeee · Feb 28, 2018

clint van damme said:
what, the blood of someone who wasn't responsible? And we're not talking about people close to the incident, we're talking about the Facebook mob.

Sorry by close I meant could have an emotional connection. Not that they knew the people involved.

And sorry I’m lost about the “who wasn’t responsible” bit. Maybe I’ve misunderstood.

Covstu · Feb 28, 2018

shmmeee said:
I hate the “are you a parent?” Card, but I’m gonna pull it. Since I became one the visceral reaction to stories like this is something else. I wouldn’t blame anyone who has kids of a similar age for wanting blood TBF.

Of course, that’s why we have a justice system. People close to the incident don’t think straight.

To be honest as a parent of two kids of similar age, I just dread to think of this scenario and found the whole thing heartbreaking. I don't want 'blood' on this basis as the courts (and probably people in prison) will take its toll on this one. I might feel differently if I was in the families shoes however but I could say for sure and don't want to even think about that.
I cannot stand the Facebook mob mentality on things like this, everyone is disgusted, wants to kill people or related family, I have seen three different petitions already but none of these people would physically go and do anything if it didn't mean getting off their arse or off their iphone but I guess that's a sad inditement of modern society...

clint van damme · Feb 28, 2018

shmmeee said:
Sorry by close I meant could have an emotional connection. Not that they knew the people involved.

And sorry I’m lost about the “who wasn’t responsible” bit. Maybe I’ve misunderstood.

the estranged daughter of the woman has received death threats to her and her child. That's what I was referring to, think we may have had our wires crossed.

shmmeee · Feb 28, 2018

clint van damme said:
the estranged daughter of the woman has received death threats to her and her child. That's what I was referring to, think we may have had our wires crossed.

Oh shit sorry. Didn’t realise that, I thought we were talking about people saying the driver should be strung up.

No that’s beyond the pale. Not on at all.

Nick · Feb 28, 2018

Not sure what the point in threatening an estranged daughter about it is?

clint van damme · Feb 28, 2018

shmmeee said:
Oh shit sorry. Didn’t realise that, I thought we were talking about people saying the driver should be strung up.

No that’s beyond the pale. Not on at all.

I 'd be quite happy to see the mother strung up.

wingy · Mar 22, 2018

Was feeling really emotional again reading of the memorial service the other day.
aren't these two meant to have appeared in court via video today?
Can't find anything in the media.

SlowerThanPlatt · Mar 22, 2018

wingy said:
Was feeling really emotional again reading of the memorial service the other day.
aren't these two meant to have appeared in court via video today?
Can't find anything in the media.

Been delayed Wingy. Now in court on Monday

Corey and Casper court case delayed

Nick · Mar 26, 2018

Looks like he is pleading guilty to it all - Live: Driver pleads guilty in Corey and Casper death trial

shmmeee · Mar 26, 2018

Good. Should t force that family through any more.

Nick · Mar 26, 2018

She is just charged with assault with intent to resist arrest and think attempting to pervert the course of justice has been dropped. Unless she has loads of previous, is she likely to get sent down for that?

Remanded in custody now, so will probably be time served.

chiefdave · Mar 26, 2018

Nick said:
She is just charged with assault with intent to resist arrest and think attempting to pervert the course of justice has been dropped. Unless she has loads of previous, is she likely to get sent down for that?

Remanded in custody now, so will probably be time served.

Guess they've got to go with the charges that will get a result. Unfortunately as she wasn't driving there's not much else they can charge her with.

What's the sentencing guidelines, he'll be looking at life won't he? Imagine he won't have a cushy time inside when the other inmates find out what he's done. Imagine there will be a guard or two happy to turn a blind eye.

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