Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
At least there was some kind of justice, unlike that shit show last week.
What a horrible c**t.
What a horrible c**t.
He is an absolute wrong un. I believe in the concept of rehabilitation of offenders but hard to see in this case how that might ever be achieved, he's a very very dangerous individual
The work probation and programme and education do in prisons is brilliant!
No one is a ‘wrong un’ and despite higher sentences and more people in prison than many other countries we are still failing our society by allowing people who’ve committed a crime back on the streets without the work time and support they need to leave their old actions and begin again
For what it’s worth the recidivism rate for sex offenders is much lower than the normal prison population but I know of prisoners released from cat b prisons who’ve had no support for living in the outside world and as I said earlier there are no hostel places available in the East Midlands at the moment. What hope does someone have with no house, no support structures and no money. No excuse for crime, especially violent sexual offences but I don’t know what we expect to happen. In fact I’m pretty sure we all know what happens in certain cases and it does cause we read about it
Nick nick Nick - was he sentenced to life? If not then you need to work out what will happen when he’s releasedOh no, the poor nonce wants to be handed a house, money and everything after he has been raping kids.
It reminds me of school where the kids who are disruptive, rude and naughty get given treats and praise because they haven't called the teacher a c**t for a week.
Hopefully he gets found hanging in his cell so it's one less.
Nick nick Nick - was he sentenced to life? If not then you need to work out what will happen when he’s released
Yeah, I get that about the wrong un. It's just a term we all use though isn't it.The work probation and programme and education do in prisons is brilliant!
No one is a ‘wrong un’ and despite higher sentences and more people in prison than many other countries we are still failing our society by allowing people who’ve committed a crime back on the streets without the work time and support they need to leave their old actions and begin again
For what it’s worth the recidivism rate for sex offenders is much lower than the normal prison population but I know of prisoners released from cat b prisons who’ve had no support for living in the outside world and as I said earlier there are no hostel places available in the East Midlands at the moment. What hope does someone have with no house, no support structures and no money. No excuse for crime, especially violent sexual offences but I don’t know what we expect to happen. In fact I’m pretty sure we all know what happens in certain cases and it does cause we read about it
That wouldn’t be right no and there’s something between the twoWhy should he be given a free place to live, free food, free heating and some pocket money when he comes out? He will have already had that for a few years anyway while inside.
Meanwhile you have people working all hours through the week who manage not to rape children who struggle to get that.
It's not right.
As I say the recidivism rate for sex offenders is much lower than the normal prison population. Think you’d be good doing the work I do on an independent monitoring board.Yeah, I get that about the wrong un. It's just a term we all use though isn't it.
Just get the feeling with this guy, because of the way he came across and the arrogance and the fact he thought it was okay to rape someone while there were actually other people in the room with him, suggests to me he will probably never ever change. Hope I'm wrong. I am sure we all do.
That wouldn’t be right no and there’s something between the two
As I say the recidivism rate for sex offenders is much lower than the normal prison population. Think you’d be good doing the work I do on an independent monitoring board.
They expect nothing believe me.So why do they expect to come out of prison and be given a home and have everything paid for straight away?
Yes in its simplest form a licence is someone serving their sentence in the community. So normally a person is imprisoned for an amount of time, say 6 years and will serve 3 in prison and 3 under licence.What does on licence mean, Pete, in terms of the supervision and overseeing the offender would receive? Does it involve a tag, regular checking in at police stations etc? Do you know?
They expect nothing believe me.
As a society we need to give them a fighting chance otherwise what’s the point. We may as well go back a few centuries and maybe copy Iran and Qatar and start forced castration or state sanctioned murder for crimes we feel are unforgivable.
Won’t reduce crime and will lead to huge injustice but we’ll feel better about ourselves until our lives are touched by it
How strictly are theses monitored Pete? Im sure the probation service will be really stretched at the best of times and whilst i would hope that creatures such as him are given extra monitoring they wont be with him all if the time.Yes in its simplest form a licence is someone serving their sentence in the community. So normally a person is imprisoned for an amount of time, say 6 years and will serve 3 in prison and 3 under licence.
Licence conditions can involve anything that seeks to ensure whatever risk they pose to others is removed or more likely hugely reduced. So can include regular contact with police or probation, places the prisoner can’t go, times the person can’t be out, loss of passport, only 1 house to stay in overnight, have to ask for permission to stay at another house overnight, not allowed to see certain people or have a relationship without them knowing your crime. Not a definitive list of course
Normally victims have a say about what conditions are included.
The prison system is supposed to help people gain trust and learn to live with that trust. The licence system the same. If it’s broken people are recalled and are put back in prison. That can be for missing a police check in. But your point is well made.How strictly are theses monitored Pete? Im sure the probation service will be really stretched at the best of times and whilst i would hope that creatures such as him are given extra monitoring they wont be with him all if the time.
Cheers, Pete.Yes in its simplest form a licence is someone serving their sentence in the community. So normally a person is imprisoned for an amount of time, say 6 years and will serve 3 in prison and 3 under licence.
Licence conditions can involve anything that seeks to ensure whatever risk they pose to others is removed or more likely hugely reduced. So can include regular contact with police or probation, places the prisoner can’t go, times the person can’t be out, loss of passport, only 1 house to stay in overnight, have to ask for permission to stay at another house overnight, not allowed to see certain people or have a relationship without them knowing your crime. Not a definitive list of course
Normally victims have a say about what conditions are included.
Yes. I’ve been involved in that side too as a victim. The balance is very difficult as I’m sure you understand and once licence conditions have passed the victims can feel shockedCheers, Pete.
And victims can have influence over how far from their own locality the offender can be housed too?
It's quite often said that people like that will be taken care of in prison with the guards turning a blind eye but when you see something like that it makes you doubt itFound it shocking when that other bloke with the hidden identity was in the police station and was laughing and joking with him referring to him as a nonce like that's what he was well known for in the area
It's quite often said that people like that will be taken care of in prison with the guards turning a blind eye but when you see something like that it makes you doubt it
The bit I still can't get my head around is him asking parents permission to speak to their underage daughters, and presumably getting it
I thought they did a reasonable job in some respects balancing the act with the obvious mental health problems, mixed feelings about the perpetrators. Thought the one that fired the shot looked like a shifty c**t but fair play he owned up and got his mate out of lumber. The other bloke I felt sorry for tbh.Back for a new episode. Interesting case, but left feeling like they both probably shouldn't really have been paraded around on TV and instead needed urgent mental health support and the warning signs weren't addressed.
Guess the episode does though help to portray the crisis and how people in urgent need fall through the cracks.
Sad story, especially seeing the photos where he looked much healthier before it all went down hill
Indeed a very sad story and really shows the impact on the lives of people of the terrible state of our public services due to underfunding. Of course that underfunding of mental health services is not just a disaster for the people who need support but also their families and as this episode shows it also impacts on all people they come into contact with.Back for a new episode. Interesting case, but left feeling like they both probably shouldn't really have been paraded around on TV and instead needed urgent mental health support and the warning signs weren't addressed.
Guess the episode does though help to portray the crisis and how people in urgent need fall through the cracks.
Sad story, especially seeing the photos where he looked much healthier before it all went down hill
Indeed a very sad story and really shows the impact on the lives of people of the terrible state of our public services due to underfunding. Of course that underfunding of mental health services is not just a disaster for the people who need support but also their families and as this episode shows it also impacts on all people they come into contact with.
The guys obviously needed help and support but let's not discount the impact on the other people living in the block of flats; the guy's ex and their daughter; the delivery guy and the police officer shot at.
This excellent programme just goes to show how Tory cuts are not just inhumane but also completely counter productive financially. The cost of dealing with the fall out of not providing services is much greater than that of providing proper mental health care to people who need it.
And the police themselves. One of the things that popped up on screen was that a third of police time is spent dealing with mental health issues.Of course that underfunding of mental health services is not just a disaster for the people who need support but also their families and as this episode shows it also impacts on all people they come into contact with.
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