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PUSB-We_are_going_up · Aug 14, 2024

Is it the way forward?

I’ve gone with Binks over Kitching in that LCB slot because I think his distribution is a lot quicker and better quality,
Then Bidwell over Dasilva at LB as he is mr dependable and is an experienced head that can always be relied upon,
Rudi and Sheaf will be a class act in midfield whether its in a 2 CM partnership or a 3 CM trio and they are our best 2 CMs,
EMC on the left as I think we would need more defensive work from our LW in this system and then obviously with Haji dropped to the bench we have an unreal player that can come on up top or on either wing,

Or do we just stick with the 433 with Eccles and Haji to come in for EMC and BTA, at the end of the day its not our call its the coaching staff but with how the 442 performed tonight it shows great promise

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 14, 2024

Not for me I'm afraid.

There's not enough creativity in the middle pair as only Rudoni is any real kind of threat over the half way line.

BTA is clearly a pest for the opposition, but the biggest problem with him according to WBA fans is his finishing. EMC is also unproven, so I'm a bit sceptical all round.

A 433/4231 with Wright and Simms occupying two of the three forward roles has to be the way forward. They scored a hatful last season so why change what isn't broken there? Agree with the back four for now (let's see how Kitching gets on), but Dovin doesn't walk in automatically either. As far as I can see there's a few players that will need to fight for their place and gain some form. Will be curious to review that in a few months!

CanadianCCFC · Aug 14, 2024

Haji Wright on the bench is outrageous, I get that he had an injury in preseason but once he’s fully fit he has to start.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 14, 2024

The issue with all of these starting XIs isn’t really the first 11, it’s what you plan to do later in the game or if one or two players aren’t available.

Still too many stuck in thinking little beyond who starts

StrettoBoy · Aug 14, 2024

If Haji Wright is a regular bench-warmer he won’t be with us for much longer.

Monty · Aug 14, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The issue with all of these starting XIs isn’t really the first 11, it’s what you plan to do later in the game or if one or two players aren’t available.

Still too many stuck in thinking little beyond who starts

Agreed. I think the 5 subs by Robins just after the hour last night hints of how things will be this season. We changed the front line against Stoke at a similar time as well. If we look at Ipswich last season they always used there bench well and more often than not changed there entire front line after 60 mins or so

Cally Fedora · Aug 14, 2024

Not for me. We were actually turning it round before the subs last night. Wright is our most effective forward in terms of all round contribution. We need as many minutes on the pitch from him as possible

procdoc · Aug 14, 2024

Why on earth would you leave Wright out?

Sick Boy · Aug 14, 2024

StrettoBoy said:
If Haji Wright is a regular bench-warmer he won’t be with us for much longer.

He’s not going to be because Robins isn’t clueless.

edgy · Aug 14, 2024

442 would give us even less control in midfield

Potbellypig · Aug 14, 2024

On paper you could arguably say it looks better, but the reality to how we're trying to play is somewhat different.

Sky Blue Goblin · Aug 14, 2024

If been pitching a 4-4-2 since Everton and do believe it’s the way forward. In midfield I do believe both have the creativity to drive us up and with the wingers who would look to tuck in, think we’d have a lot of control. Think it also would get the best out of simms and BTA who can make runs of simms and drag defenders away like the goal at Bristol.

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 14, 2024

It’s not for me.

4-3-3 for me is the best way forward, with a six (Sheaf) doing the holding in midfield and two eight’s (Torp and Rudoni) pushing on from the midfield.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 14, 2024

Monty said:
Agreed. I think the 5 subs by Robins just after the hour last night hints of how things will be this season. We changed the front line against Stoke at a similar time as well. If19 we look at Ipswich last season they always used there bench well and more often than not changed there entire front line after 60 mins or so

The pre-planned substitutes do concern me with Robins. All well and good when the game plan is going as it should be, but when it isn't can he adapt, or will it be the same planned substitutions regardless of the dynamics of the game. I wonder.

StrettoBoy · Aug 14, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The pre-planned substitutes do concern me with Robins. All well and good when the game plan is going as it should be, but when it isn't can he adapt, or will it be the same planned substitutions regardless of the dynamics of the game. I wonder.

I have faith in MR to do the right thing.

In football, as with most things in life, the sensible thing is to have a plan but be prepared to change it if it isn’t working.

ptr · Aug 14, 2024

I think we have to be flexible and this is an option. We reacted well last night and changed it up to two up top as we needed a goal, exactly what we should have done on Saturday. Start with our 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 whatever you want to call it and be ready to go with two up there if we are still chasing after 60.

Hobo · Aug 14, 2024

CanadianCCFC said:
Haji Wright on the bench is outrageous, I get that he had an injury in preseason but once he’s fully fit he has to start.

And EMC needs time to adjust to this level. He isn't going to just come in and rip this league up like some think.

Trueskyblue20 · Aug 14, 2024

Fuck Robins off, there is only one man that could lead us to the Prem.

BlueSkiesForever · Aug 14, 2024

Put Haji in for EMC and I think you have a real interesting and threatening team there. I feel like we need to experiment a bit to see where players like EMC and Rudoni can fit into the team.

Also we should be having a plan for how to set up without Sheaf, him being injured is becoming quite a regular/annual thing tbf. It’s not clear what the best formation is without Sheaf as neither Eccles or Allen are anywhere near as good as Sheaf at being that holding midfielder. 4-4-2 could suit us when Sheaf isn’t playing.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 14, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
Put Haji in for EMC and I think you have a real interesting and threatening team there. I feel like we need to experiment a bit to see where players like EMC and Rudoni can fit into the team.

Also we should be having a plan for how to set up without Sheaf, him being injured is becoming quite a regular/annual thing tbf. It’s not clear what the best formation is without Sheaf as neither Eccles or Allen are anywhere near as good as Sheaf at being that holding midfielder. Maybe a 4-4-2 would suit us when Sheaf isn’t playing.

Eccles isn't far off Sheafs numbers

BlueSkiesForever · Aug 14, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Eccles isn't far off Sheafs numbers

I mean in terms of being the sole consistent/capable central defensive midfielder. Without the help of Sheaf next to him I think he’s a lot less comfortable on the ball.

SkyBlueGuy · Aug 14, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The pre-planned substitutes do concern me with Robins. All well and good when the game plan is going as it should be, but when it isn't can he adapt, or will it be the same planned substitutions regardless of the dynamics of the game. I wonder.

I am keen on the idea of rotating earlier (I think it has a lot of upsides, particularly given the quality of squad depth we have in attack now). But the 5(!) subs all at once last night made me a bit anxious. Palmer is not known for his ability to play a full game and Dasilva was on a yellow. Obviously Robins knows better, but I'd have been keeping at least one back for later in the game!

stupot07 · Aug 14, 2024

Hobo said:
And EMC needs time to adjust to this level. He isn't going to just come in and rip this league up like some think.

Completely agree, i keep seeing people picking him above Wright, then when you say you can't leave Wright out, shift him to the right ahead of Sakamoto, to shoe horn him in.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 14, 2024

stupot07 said:
Completely agree, i keep seeing people picking him above Wright, then when you say you can't leave Wright out, shift him to the right ahead of Sakamoto, to shoe horn him in.

It’s people trapped into not thinking past the starting 11.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 14, 2024

Only something I'd be trying later on in a game to make a breakthrough, as we did last night. Wouldn't be starting with it regularly.

StrettoBoy · Aug 14, 2024

SkyBlueGuy said:
I am keen on the idea of rotating earlier (I think it has a lot of upsides, particularly given the quality of squad depth we have in attack now). But the 5(!) subs all at once last night made me a bit anxious. Palmer is not known for his ability to play a full game and Dasilva was on a yellow. Obviously Robins knows better, but I'd have been keeping at least one back for later in the game!

I agree.

It’s hard to complain because the plan worked last night but it worried me a bit as well.

It wouldn’t have been good if someone had to go off injured or was just a passenger with say twenty minutes still to go. Imagine if the injured player was the goalkeeper!

Calista · Aug 14, 2024

StrettoBoy said:
I agree.

It’s hard to complain because the plan worked last night but it worried me a bit as well.

It wouldn’t have been good if someone had to go off injured or was just a passenger with say twenty minutes still to go. Imagine if the injured player was the goalkeeper!

Yeah, using all 5 subs with half an hour to go is madness. So easy to find yourself down to ten men.

skybluecam · Aug 14, 2024

Calista said:
Yeah, using all 5 subs with half an hour to go is madness. So easy to find yourself down to ten men.

And we almost did. Palmer would’ve gone off if we had a sub available

Tomh111 · Aug 14, 2024

I've said it before and I'll say it again, modern football is so fluid that numbering formations is basically pointless.

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Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 14, 2024

PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Is it the way forward?
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I’ve gone with Binks over Kitching in that LCB slot because I think his distribution is a lot quicker and better quality,
Then Bidwell over Dasilva at LB as he is mr dependable and is an experienced head that can always be relied upon,
Rudi and Sheaf will be a class act in midfield whether its in a 2 CM partnership or a 3 CM trio and they are our best 2 CMs,
EMC on the left as I think we would need more defensive work from our LW in this system and then obviously with Haji dropped to the bench we have an unreal player that can come on up top or on either wing,

Or do we just stick with the 433 with Eccles and Haji to come in for EMC and BTA, at the end of the day its not our call its the coaching staff but with how the 442 performed tonight it shows great promise

It wasn’t a 4-4-2 in the traditional sense. After made the subs, for a 5-10m period Palmer was hugging the left hand side and BTA operating as a striker. From going 1-0 up, BTA was on the left hand side and Palmer back as an AM. At least that’s how it looked to me in the stands.

Wright operates as an inside forward and heat maps tend to show he’s regularly close to Simms throughout the 90.

wingy · Aug 19, 2024

4-2- 4.is the way, Milne was it or am I confusing with something earlier?

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