51pts should see us safe... (1 Viewer)

steve82 · Dec 27, 2016

Currently we've got 19 pts at the half way point of the season...
23 games to go, 69pts to play for...

51 pts should see us safe based on the last 10 years relegated sides points tally.

31 pts needed based on on this theory.

4th bottom side relegated with....
46 pts 15/16
50 pts 14/15
47 pts 13/14
48 pts 12/13
43 pts 11/12
47 pts 10/11
50 pts 09/10
49 pts 08/09
48 pts 07/08
47 pts 06/07

So we need....
9 wins 4 draws 10 losses
8 wins 7 draws 8 losses
7 wins 10 draws 5 losses
6 wins 13 draws 4 losses
5 wins 16 draws 3 losses
4 wins 19 draws 0 losses

12 home games remain with winnable games against Port Vale, Gillingham, Swindon, Walsall.

11 away games of which are vital against Chesterfield, Oldham, Bury, Shrewsbury and MK Dons.

Ideally we need to win all 5 of them games tho the chesterfield (14th jan) game may come too soon before any January changes come about.

It's still in our own hands and not impossible despite the current playing squad.
Total faith in RS getting in what we need.
PUSB

CovisGod · Dec 27, 2016

Nice to see a positive thread amongst the doom and gloom.

It's not over yet, I think we'll have a better idea where will be when the transfer window has closed in Jan

RoperCCFC96 · Dec 27, 2016

Won't be easy at all but could be done if we get some experience and physicality in.

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stupot07 · Dec 27, 2016

Funny really, a week ago someone posted a thread suggesting we could do a Barnsley, this week we're desperately trying to see if/where we can pick up 32 points from our remaining 23 games.

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singers_pore · Dec 27, 2016

I can't see us getting more than 40 points.

I am generally over optimistic. I predicted at the start of the season that we would finish just above the relegation zone.

steve82 · Dec 28, 2016

stupot07 said:
Funny really, a week ago someone posted a thread suggesting we could do a Barnsley, this week we're desperately trying to see if/where we can pick up 32 points from our remaining 23 games.

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Yes

Tho I think on current form, loosing 7 on the bounce, taking only 1 point in 8 games conceding 18 in last 8 league games while scoring just 6.

The 2nd lowest scoring side in the league, joint worst away form in the league too.

I think you'd agree hoping for survival is closer to the truth don't you this side of the transfer window.

stupot07 · Dec 28, 2016

steve82 said:
Yes

Tho I think on current form, loosing 7 on the bounce, taking only 1 point in 8 games conceding 18 in last 8 league games while scoring just 6.

The 2nd lowest scoring side in the league, joint worst away form in the league too.

I think you'd agree hoping for survival is closer to the truth don't you this side of the transfer window.

I agree. I think I (along with Otis) was called a 'usual negative suspect' for trying to bring a dose of realism to that these!

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skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2016

January is so important. I cant see how we can do it with the current squad.

covcity4life · Dec 28, 2016

stupot07 said:
I agree. I think I (along with Otis) was called a 'usual negative suspect' for trying to bring a dose of realism to that these!

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once again missing the point

that OP wasnt saying it was likely or realistic, it was a feel good thread to believe anything is possible because it HAS been done before.

thats why you were rightly called a usual negative suspect.

oucho · Dec 28, 2016

It sounds like an awfully tall order to me given the season so far. Sorry. I'm normally an optimist but it looks bleak.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Dec 28, 2016

RoperCCFC96 said:
Won't be easy at all but could be done if we get some experience and physicality in.

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What like Marc-Antoine Fortune, Darius Henderson, Steven Hunt & Peter Ramage? I'm so bored of always hearing this 'physicality' and 'experience' shit. What we need is good players, whether they are five foot 7 and technical, or 6 foot 4 and as strong as an ox. The fascination that somehow having an old guy who puts his studs up once a season will do us just fine is baffling.

covcity4life · Dec 28, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
What like Marc-Antoine Fortune, Darius Henderson, Steven Hunt & Peter Ramage? I'm so bored of always hearing this 'physicality' and 'experience' shit. What we need is good players, whether they are five foot 7 and technical, or 6 foot 4 and as strong as an ox. The fascination that somehow having an old guy who puts his studs up once a season will do us just fine is baffling.

well said

some of these guys just throw out these cliches, its funny.

nick said anyone that watches foreign football must love pansy tiki taka

LOL

Otis · Dec 28, 2016

League One is physical. There is no doubt about it and a skikful player like Lameiras usually flourishes more against teams that are not so physical.

When we pay physical teams he just gets outmuscled and knocked off the ball, so it is a very valid point.

Of course these physical players need to be decent too. Pointless bringing in muscle , but who are otherwise poor players. That's bleedin obvious. Henderson and Ramage offered us nothing at all, because the rest of their play was so poor.

Only good game I have seen Lameiras play against a physical side was Sheff Utd away last season, where he had them tied up in knots at first. They nobbled him though after about 25 mins and then he was a lot quieter.

If you have silky skills, but are slender and lack any physical strength then it is quite obvious that a physical team can outmuscle you, bully you and stop you playing.

Lloyd McGrath on Glenn Hoddle anyone?

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 28, 2016

We might get to see Henderson next year as he is at Mansfield if Evans can keep them up.

Nick · Dec 28, 2016

covcity4life said:
well said

some of these guys just throw out these cliches, its funny.

nick said anyone that watches foreign football must love pansy tiki taka

LOL

Did I?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 28, 2016

Otis said:
League One is physical. There is no doubt about it and a skikful player like Lameiras usually flourishes more against teams that are not so physical.

When we pay physical teams he just gets outmuscled and knocked off the ball, so it is a very valid point.

Of course these physical players need to be decent too. Pointless bringing in muscle , but who are otherwise poor players. That's bleedin obvious. Henderson and Ramage offered us nothing at all, because the rest of their play was so poor.

Only good game I have seen Lameiras play against a physical side was Sheff Utd away last season, where he had them tied up in knots at first. They nobbled him though after about 25 mins and then he was a lot quieter.

If you have silky skills, but are slender and lack any physical strength then it is quite obvious that a physical team can outmuscle you, bully you and stop you playing.

Lloyd McGrath on Glenn Hoddle anyone?

I'm not sure it is a valid point on Lameiras.

Sure he's shit against physical team which is valid, but as far as I can see Lameiras is also shit against not so physical teams. He's just not a very good player who turns up once every 20 matches, not to do with physicality. I don't agree with your first sentence that Lameiras flourishes against teams that are not as physical.

You mention Sheffield Utd match but what about Milwall early on last season also, probably his best ever match he played for us and I would consider them a physical side.

steve82 · Dec 28, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
What like Marc-Antoine Fortune, Darius Henderson, Steven Hunt & Peter Ramage? I'm so bored of always hearing this 'physicality' and 'experience' shit. What we need is good players, whether they are five foot 7 and technical, or 6 foot 4 and as strong as an ox. The fascination that somehow having an old guy who puts his studs up once a season will do us just fine is baffling.

covcity4life said:
well said

some of these guys just throw out these cliches, its funny.

nick said anyone that watches foreign football must love pansy tiki taka

LOL

I'm not here to question both your footballing knowledge but do you not think all teams need experienced players to drag teams over the line, no the little dark secrets of bullying other teams influential players to nullify there treat?

How many times have we seen this done before our very eyes?

Do you not think it's strange that all our last few managers have said the team lacks leaders, men to do the job?

Sometimes teams can benefit from having a less skilled, lump in the middle that will drive the team forward singlehanded especially at league one and two level. It's effective and works, most weeks against us!!

Otis · Dec 28, 2016

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I'm not sure it is a valid point on Lameiras.

Sure he's shit against physical team which is valid, but as far as I can see Lameiras is also shit against not so physical teams. He's just not a very good player who turns up once every 20 matches, not to do with physicality. I don't agree with your first sentence that Lameiras flourishes against teams that are not as physical.

You mention Sheffield Utd match but what about Milwall early on last season also, probably his best ever match he played for us and I would consider them a physical side.

I don't rate him either. I am talking about WHEN he flourishes, which isn't very often at all.

When we played Millwall we had a brand new side and Lameiras like many others was an unknown quantity. Right at the start of the season that was. Within a few games Lameiras was found out and targeted.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Dec 28, 2016

steve82 said:
I'm here to question both your footballing knowledge but do you not think all teams need experienced players to drag teams over the line, no the little dark secrets of bullying other teams influential players to nullify there treat?

How many times have we seen this done before our very eyes?

Do you not think it's strange that all our last few managers have said the team lacks leaders, men to do the job?

Sometimes teams can benefit from having a less skilled, lump in the middle that will drive the team forward singlehanded especially at league one and two level. It's effective and works, most weeks against us!!

How many times have we seen us sign similar players that have been shit for us? It's not about just sticking big, experienced players in and hoping it works. It's about building something with a goal in mind. Unfortunately, due to current circumstances this is nigh on impossible for us to do.

Yes, some experience of course can be beneficial, it would be stupidly naive to suggest otherwise, we have a very young squad, but it's not about buying (or loaning) any experience, it's about getting the right players in. Too often people get excited by us signing someone who's over 6 foot or over 30 thinking they are the solution just based on those facts alone.

Otis · Dec 28, 2016

steve82 said:
I'm here to question both your footballing knowledge but do you not think all teams need experienced players to drag teams over the line, no the little dark secrets of bullying other teams influential players to nullify there treat?

How many times have we seen this done before our very eyes?

Do you not think it's strange that all our last few managers have said the team lacks leaders, men to do the job?

Sometimes teams can benefit from having a less skilled, lump in the middle that will drive the team forward singlehanded especially at league one and two level. It's effective and works, most weeks against us!!

Yep. We have had a few managers who have said we have lacked physicality.

Were they all wrong?

AFCCOVENTRY · Dec 28, 2016

It's an absolute monumental task to get that points tally. Any new players will take a few months to bed in as it is. I hope it happens but can't see it. We need to hit promotion form at a flick of a switch.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 28, 2016

Otis said:
I don't rate him either. I am talking about WHEN he flourishes, which isn't very often at all.

When we played Millwall we had a brand new side and Lameiras like many others was an unknown quantity. Within a few games Lameiras was found out and targeted.

Yea I just don't think he is very good, don't think it is to do with his size or physicality.

Otis · Dec 28, 2016

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Yea I just don't think he is very good, don't think it is to do with his size or physicality.

When he is allowed time on the ball he can beat players with his trickery and does at least have the ability to play some killer balls through.

When players close him down and harry him he more likely than not is knocked off the ball or robbed of possession.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 28, 2016

We need leaders, no question about that. However experience does not always equal leadership, which I think is a common misconception.

We need some more physicality, no question about that. Physicality isn't just size though, no use having some 6 foot 4 brute if he's 35 and can no longer run, turn. They need to be more in the Jordan Willis/Andy Rose build of strong, quick, athletic and aggressive.

Not just some lump who can barely move

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 28, 2016

Otis said:
When he is allowed time on the ball he can beat players with his trickery and does at least have the ability to play some killer balls through.

When players close him down and harry him he more likely than not is knocked off the ball or robbed of possession.

Your not convincing me mate, more often than not he will give the ball away or have a poor shot when given time and space.

steve82 · Dec 28, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
How many times have we seen us sign similar players that have been shit for us? It's not about just sticking big, experienced players in and hoping it works. It's about building something with a goal in mind. Unfortunately, due to current circumstances this is nigh on impossible for us to do.

Yes, some experience of course can be beneficial, it would be stupidly naive to suggest otherwise, we have a very young squad, but it's not about buying (or loaning) any experience, it's about getting the right players in. Too often people get excited by us signing someone who's over 6 foot or over 30 thinking they are the solution just based on those facts alone.

Football is a game of opinions.... the beauty of it.

Tho in all my years of watching lower league football it's far more effective in the style RS will try to impose on the team.

Your right about your hendersons and hunts.... they didn't work and we're past it.
That said did we bring Henderson in and play him as the battering ram as TM quoted him to be... no we just stick him up top on his own isolated in a already faltering team lacking ideas.

RS is different in his approach if he brings in a Alex Revel type he will be the focal point of our attack with winning the ball for sordell to shoot at every attempt... give us a focal point at set pieces.

Bradford operate this way... sheff Utd, in fact many northern teams and most in league 2 with reward.

Sure you still need your quick tactical players, but it all comes together to build s team to do the job.

Old fashioned morals but basics that are proven. In your face football that makes teams uncomfortable and make mistakes.

Otis · Dec 28, 2016

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Your not convincing me mate, more often than not he will give the ball away or have a poor shot when given time and space.

As I say, I don't rate him either. I groan everytime I see his name in the lineup.

stupot07 · Dec 28, 2016

When people are saying we need experience And physicality, we mean players in their prime who have been around abit (26-29 years old) and know thr demands of league one - ie in the Vincelot mould. We don't mean the 34+ club that mowbray got obsessed about last season. Of course they have to be good enough, but we have too many 'technical' players and not enough 'gritty' players. Thr blend of thr team and squad is completely wrong.

Slade is right, we don't do the basics well enough and we don't have enough game management know how in the squad.

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 28, 2016

Exactly Vincelot wasn't massive in size but he had the right experience, leadership qualities and physicality for this division.

steve82 · Dec 28, 2016

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Exactly Vincelot wasn't massive in size but he had the right experience, leadership qualities and physicality for this division.

Spot on and who did he play under at Leyton Orient... RS.

A typical RS type of defensive player and character

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 28, 2016

steve82 said:
Spot on and who did he play under at Leyton Orient... RS.

A typical RS type of defensive player and character

Maybe we could swap Turnbull for him

Nick · Dec 28, 2016

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Exactly Vincelot wasn't massive in size but he had the right experience, leadership qualities and physicality for this division.

Well, for the first half of the season.

Sam Morsy turned him into his bitch.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Dec 28, 2016

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Exactly Vincelot wasn't massive in size but he had the right experience, leadership qualities and physicality for this division.

If people are talking the likes of Vincelot I stand corrected, we could most certainly do with him in this current squad.

Warwickhunt · Dec 28, 2016

Why will we start to win? It takes time for new players to settle and by then there will only 16 games left

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 28, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
If people are talking the likes of Vincelot I stand corrected, we could most certainly do with him in this current squad.

I think you had a point mate, when people say experience and physicality that can be interpreted lots of ways and some of those interpretations are definitely not what we need.

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