This is why I feel we need a cut of any sponsorship deal.Definitely a club on the up and better off overall I’d say, the recent success has changed the mindset of the club and fans.
Of course the ground issue is a major concern that needs to be addressed and we really need our own in the long-term. A rental deal is always going to put a glass ceiling above us and stop us from progressing further than being a League 1/Championship yo yo club.
The idea of the franchise wankers profiting from our success in terms of naming rights and other sponsorship deals is sickening.
That’s the problem though, it’ll always put us at a disadvantage and we will never progress further.This is why I feel we need a cut of any sponsorship deal.
we need to keep all football revenue, and have a cut of that sponsorship deal. They own the place so happy for them to keep the bigger share.
Promotion whilst in Birmingham really will be a kick in the teeth to them and the trust
And the councilThis is why I feel we need a cut of any sponsorship deal.
we need to keep all football revenue, and have a cut of that sponsorship deal. They own the place so happy for them to keep the bigger share.
Promotion whilst in Birmingham really will be a kick in the teeth to them and the trust
Genuine question, is it all about playing in Coventry again? Regardless of deal/pitch/losses etc?Same position but on the up if we are playing in coventry next season whenever that starts
I know what my opinion isGenuine question, is it all about playing in Coventry again? Regardless of deal/pitch/losses etc?
ie, for us to get to the championship, it would make much bigger stadium naming rights, which w**ps would benefit from NOT us. We'd also be paying them rent for them to use us as a cash cow through revenue. We'd have to rely on them to keep the pitch nice, which they've failed to do EVERY season since owning it!
Yes, I fully agree CCFC should be playing in Coventry, but at what cost do we do it?
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But where else is there to play ? St. Andrews isn’t forever maybe another year and now we are in the championship for me getting away from Brum is paramount. Doubt the Prem would accept anything other than playing in Coventry.Genuine question, is it all about playing in Coventry again? Regardless of deal/pitch/losses etc?
ie, for us to get to the championship, it would make much bigger stadium naming rights, which w**ps would benefit from NOT us. We'd also be paying them rent for them to use us as a cash cow through revenue. We'd have to rely on them to keep the pitch nice, which they've failed to do EVERY season since owning it!
Yes, I fully agree CCFC should be playing in Coventry, but at what cost do we do it?
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Unless that’s the catalyst for a long term solution sustainableNo point going back to the Ricoh until we know fans can attend
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No, ST Andrew's isnt forever, agreed, but rushing back to Coventry to put us back in the same situation of paying rent and keeping W**ps afloat while treading water ourselves isnt the answer I'm afraid. Just to get back to Coventry at any cost isnt right, helpful or what we need right now. We're on an upward curve, why give ourselves and albatross around our necks to bring us back down?But where else is there to play ? St. Andrews isn’t forever maybe another year and now we are in the championship for me getting away from Brum is paramount. Doubt the Prem would accept anything other than playing in Coventry.
Cos trying to bankrupt someone the first time worked out well didn't it.BCD will mean no income until fans are allowed back, so designate Ryton as our home ground that will ensure home advantage?
Alternatively, paying a lot of money to Wasps and perpetuate their ownership of the Ricoh seems a backward step, especially considering the crap pitch they preside over, which will knacker our playing style. If we can hold off returning to the Ricoh in the short term that bankrupts Wasps, it'll be worth it!
Different context and business environment this time.Cos trying to bankrupt someone the first time worked out well didn't it.
Yeah, let’s rush back to the Ricoh and keep the franchise propped up and get taken advantage of.But where else is there to play ? St. Andrews isn’t forever maybe another year and now we are in the championship for me getting away from Brum is paramount. Doubt the Prem would accept anything other than playing in Coventry.
They could play behind closed doors at Ryton.I know what my opinion is
my opinion is playing in coventry is the single most important next step for our club
The next step after that is a sustainable long term future in coventry
The next step would be our own stadium in coventry
All of this is so much easier with a successful football club and I almost feel ccfc and Sisu have put their time and money where the mouths are and deserve some goodwill for the last 3 years but I understand how hard that is given we have been playing outside of coventry
My dream timescale would be coventry next season if not behind closed doors and this needs to be a sustainable long term deal while a new stadium is built.
I am so naive though and can’t believe that there is any intention to build a stadium apart from comments when we met seemed very genuine. But hey I’m naive
Don’t think your far off with this to be honest. To me the pitch though would have to be a key part of the agreement, for example we play first at a weekend, we have input into the maintenance of the pitch. You only have to look at Ryton-on-Dunsmore to see our ground staff prepare a far superior playing surface. These conditions would obviously have to have financial penalty clauses in them.In simple terms not owning the Ricoh is a good thing. No overheads. Renting it at a reasonable rent but maintaining all the rights to the income from match days would be less compromising in many ways than trying to outright own your stadium. It's really a matter of the pros and cons you are looking at. If you require collaterall to run a football cub, and need to put up the stadium for that then ownership would be required. However that has proven to be a disaster in the past, and these days clubs are more inclined, along with newer regulations to operate within sustainable budgets, therefore need to outright own a stadium is less important.
If CCFC have further success as the last few seasons, and I see no reason we won't then WASP would be foolish to turn down the opportunity of getting us back at the Ricoh. Sponsorship could increase 10 fold should we get promoted again. The stadium would be a sell out for home fixtures the vast majority of the time. Rent would natuarally incease and WASP would simply benefit exponentially all round. There is no downside to this if the contracts between SISU and WASP are are ironed out correctly. For example SISU maintain the right to reassign the sub-lease, therefore valuing the clubs residency at the Ricoh. Any lease with WASP clearly would have to be long term. Not 250 years, but substantially long as in 50 years with renewable clauses and protections should WASP decide to sell up, and new owners came in. Nothing is insurmountable, you just have to be willing and sensitive to your own requirements, while submitting to there's too. Downside would be sharing a pitch, stadium rights and signage - all those things, but who really cares about whether the seats are sky blue or black?
It’s not although I do wonder how much the crowd would have been for the home game showing the trophyThe situation both us and Wasps are in( BGD) will dictate how any deal would be done I believe last year a deal was sorted till the dreaded letter to E U (what a lot of money that has cost us) dispite what lots say on here I think they would be willing to do a fair deal The pitch would be something needing to be sorted .There are other grounds where the 2 sports are played surely some of the pitches are in better condition could they not learn from them.As for a share from the nameing rights Wasps are run by business people they know that the draw for a new rights deal for the Stadium would be more reliant on us playing there.I do believe SISU went around things to way round they should have secured at least half the Stadium (water under the bridge). What is to stop them even now when entering talks about a deal trying to aquire a deal ever business in the country are working under different circumstances and a deal may just be possible cause we are not going to get 1 otherwise and getting the majority of the fans watching again isn't going to happen in Birmingham
I have done a scientific weight and mass calculation and come to the conclusion that one average rugby player is equal to six average footballers, one and half Akinfenwa's, or two and a bit Jon Parkin's.SAJ your quote about Ryton surface that does not have 15 big arsed guys trampling all over it and scrums bit of an unfair comparsion.They may be better but I wonder what they would be able to do at the Ricoh?
I think your still a bit light weight there make it one and threequarters of Akinfenwa's.He is a real big lad close up i wouldn't want him to fall on me. Love your quotes lighten up myday.I have done a scientific weight and mass calculation and come to the conclusion that one average rugby player is equal to six average footballers, one and half Akinfenwa's, or two and a bit Jon Parkin's.
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