A Gentlemans Excuse Me (8 Viewers)

SkyBluePower · Oct 21, 2024

In his time here:

Year 1- won a trophy with a makeshift team
Year 2- won promotion
Year 3 - consolidation in L1 and lovely football
Year 4 - promotion as Champions
Year 5 - consolidation in Championship and some incredible scalps
Year 6 - Playoff Final- penalties away from Prem
Year 7 - FA Cup semi final- VAR goal away from a Cup Final as a Championship club.

You can find reasons why all of this isn’t down to Robins but he is the one constant. If we finish bottom half this year I can live with that.

pusbccfc · Oct 21, 2024

SkyBluePower said:
In his time here:

Year 1- won a trophy with a makeshift team
Year 2- won promotion
Year 3 - consolidation in L1 and lovely football
Year 4 - promotion as Champions
Year 5 - consolidation in Championship and some incredible scalps
Year 6 - Playoff Final- penalties away from Prem
Year 7 - FA Cup semi final- VAR goal away from a Cup Final as a Championship club.

You can find reasons why all of this isn’t down to Robins but he is the one constant. If we finish bottom half this year I can live with that.

He's been amazing but at this point we are losing our way. Bottom half is one thing but current form suggests we may drop below that.

David O'Day · Oct 21, 2024

pusbccfc said:
He's been amazing but at this point we are losing our way. Bottom half is one thing but current form suggests we may drop below that.

it's October, there is no argument for even thinking of changing manager yet

Ccfcisparks · Oct 21, 2024

David O'Day said:
it's October, there is no argument for even thinking of changing manager yet

I want him to stay, but to suggest there’s no argument in changing manager is ridiculous

The watchmaker · Oct 21, 2024

Grendel said:
Our big upturn in form was coinciding with O Hare in the team regularly. During that time simms scored goals.

Pretty compelling case that we are only 1 player away from a decent team and that Simms would fill his boots with the right player behind him?

Ring Of Steel said:
And Simms isn’t scoring now (nor is anybody else), which takes us back to the xg table, which points to there being more at play than just Robins losing the plot totally.

I would like to see a breakdown of who is missing these chances? My gut feeling is that Simms isn't that far off his xG which is even more troubling. In my head Rudoni has missed a few, as has EMC. Eccles has had some half chances... but like most I'm struggling to remember all these chances.

SlowerThanPlatt · Oct 21, 2024

The watchmaker said:
Pretty compelling case that we are only 1 player away from a decent team and that Simms would fill his boots with the right player behind him?

I would like to see a breakdown of who is missing these chances? My gut feeling is that Simms isn't that far off his xG which is even more troubling. In my head Rudoni has missed a few, as has EMC. Eccles has had some half chances... but like most I'm struggling to remember all these chances.

pusbccfc · Oct 21, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
I want him to stay, but to suggest there’s no argument in changing manager is ridiculous

Yeah, this. I don't want him out today but if we fail to win in the next 4/5, questions need to be asked.

It can't go on like this for much longer.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 21, 2024

Ring Of Steel said:
And how did we play v Man Utd?

Surely you can see that all the focus went there. Shouldn’t have done, but it did.

Awful first 45 minutes, if we had turned up first half we'd have won 3-1

SlowerThanPlatt · Oct 21, 2024

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Awful first 45 minutes, if we had turned up first half we'd have won 3-1

Consider game state, we only ever had a chance hitting them cold

The watchmaker · Oct 21, 2024

SlowerThanPlatt said:
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478 minutes played 1.67xg - I make that 1xg about every 3 games and the equivalent of 5 games in our first 10. That suggests he should make it to about 7 this season!W00T!!!

PVA · Oct 21, 2024

The watchmaker said:
478 minutes played 1.67xg - I make that 1xg about every 3 games and the equivalent of 5 games in our first 10. That suggests he should make it to about 7 this season!W00T!!!

He currently averages 0.28xG per 90.

The watchmaker · Oct 21, 2024

PVA said:
He currently averages 0.28xG per 90.

Yeah, I've been pretty liberal with the numbers. TBF we probably don't even need the xG to tell us that - it just backed up what I thought. He is not really missing chances like he did beginning of last season, he's not even getting into positions to miss chances.

wingy · Oct 21, 2024

The watchmaker said:
Yeah, I've been pretty liberal with the numbers. TBF we probably don't even need the xG to tell us that - it just backed up what I thought. He is not really missing chances like he did beginning of last season, he's not even getting into positions to miss chances.

I think he probably does missed header on Saturday, couple of Haji shots dragged recently Sheffield Wednesday and Saturday probably,3-4 in total and the disallowed?

The watchmaker · Oct 21, 2024

wingy said:
I think he probably does missed header on Saturday, couple of Haji shots dragged recently Sheffield Wednesday and Saturday probably,3-4 in total and the disallowed?

I remember another decent chance against... err someone too... but (and I don't want to nerd out on xG) since you can't score half a goal my understanding is that as long as he scores before he reaches 2xG he will be converting about as many chances as you'd expect. My huge issue here is that if he continues at the present rate that might not be til November and that is appalling.

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 21, 2024

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Awful first 45 minutes, if we had turned up first half we'd have won 3-1

To be honest, I’ll always think it was a brave second half and extra time. Young squad at Wembley for the first time for a majority of them and they absolutely battled one of the biggest clubs in England. Think it just took us a while to get over the occasion

donald_trumps · Oct 21, 2024

Grendel said:
The robins era has surely come to an end.

Robins as a manager is a curious character. He really has only ever achieved anything with difficult ownership structure.

He excelled at Rotherham under almost impossible circumstances and in his first stint here. He developed an affinity with Sepalla and Fisher. If we are being honest his one major achievement was League one promotion. League two was a poor season ending with a charitable referee and a fortunate outcome.

Yes we achieved the play offs mainly with the goals of Gyokeres, the resilience of Mcfazdean and the second half of the season when Hamer starting playing at a level beyond which he’d achieved at the start of the season.

The cracks were beginning to show last season. We achieved a huge points tally in the middle 23 games - around 45 points. We achieved 19 at the beginning and the end. O hare returned and definitely distorted the whole season. We had -around 19 points in the other 23 games.

The Sisu gang of players Robins was effective with have gone. His sidekick has gone. If the new coaches are poor that needs addressing for sure but it’s a modern day structure. Robins isn’t a modern day manager and he is looking bereft of ideas and motivation.

As the old dance The Gentleman’s Excuse me says - under Mark Robins we are now taking one step forward and then taking two steps back.

The fans are tired of this dancing and we are now finished dancing.

It’s time to exit stage left.

Absolute crap

Ashdown · Oct 21, 2024

pusbccfc said:
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Since Feb, we have been awful.

I've been trying my best to back the players and Robins but that run is indefensible.

Even the handful of wins, besides Leeds and maybe Blackburn, are against some real shite sides.

Its hard to disagree with this. That chart is quite damning of how we are going backwards, even with spending significant funds. The question is now, has the model of purchasing potential young stars in the hope of profiteering messed us up rather than the manager who has had to turn them into a team

Cally Fedora · Oct 21, 2024

We haven’t spent significant funds. We’ve basically broken even. It’s a myth.

TomRad85 · Oct 21, 2024

Cally Fedora said:
We haven’t spent significant funds. We’ve basically broken even. It’s a myth.

Christ. Really clutching at straws.

Nick · Oct 21, 2024

Cally Fedora said:
We haven’t spent significant funds. We’ve basically broken even. It’s a myth.

We have spent over £45m.

It's madness to suggest otherwise.

SlowerThanPlatt · Oct 21, 2024

Cally Fedora said:
We haven’t spent significant funds. We’ve basically broken even. It’s a myth.

You’re describing net spend, it’s categorically untrue to say we haven’t spent significant funds.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 21, 2024

Sick Boy said:
We were never going to win the FA Cup, the focus should always have been on getting promoted.

To be fair, we were handed an extremely favourable run to the quarters at which point you may as well give it a go. We won’t be getting that far again for a long time so I don’t begrudge us going for it.

Ring Of Steel · Oct 21, 2024

SlowerThanPlatt said:
You’re describing net spend, it’s categorically untrue to say we haven’t spent significant funds.

So in other words if it’s net nil spend we’ve lost talent to the same value as we’ve bought in.

if we’d just spent £45m without selling or losing anyone then Robins really would need sacking in the morning.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 21, 2024

The aim for this season should simply be to steer clear of the drop zone and aim to hold steady in mid table. Then offload the duds while rebuilding properly.

David O'Day · Oct 21, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
I want him to stay, but to suggest there’s no argument in changing manager is ridiculous

Yes it is, it's fucking October and he's earned the chance to have at least until Xmas to turn it around.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 21, 2024

David O'Day said:
Yes it is, it's fucking October and he's earned the chance to have at least until Xmas to turn it around.

I agree with this. Don’t think he’ll get that chance though if this week continues the trend.

Paxman II · Oct 21, 2024

No not in the camp for Robin's to go. That is simply pathetic to suggest it at this stage. Everyone is concentrating too much on the expectations we all had over the close season due to Wright & Simms having had a good season tally of goals and much more to come from them. The additions of some good players to strenghten the squad is not in doubt. To some degeree this mitigated the loss of O'Hare. Hamer was gone long before so not in the equation. O'Hare has such character I do believe it has been missed by the payers a lot. The fact he never went to the prem is just an annoyance. Faz is a loss in respect to his motivational skills but not enough to say we can't cope without him. His legs are gone and we needed to change. Palmer was someone who could have a moment to put players like Simms in on goal, that I believe is why we brought in Torp. But there has been a lot of injuries, and key players like Sheaf missing creating a side changeable every game which definately disrupts any rhytham we need. That has to be managed by Robin's.
Sheaf will improve us as he gets up to speed, and Wright is back and his form will be crucial.
What if anything matters most is the coaching side and the whole new set up. If that can be sorted, players get the instructions and impliment them better we will climb the table easily. How much of an adjustment it has been since Vivash went is clear to see, it's not gelled yet. It will and we will see why these players are good for this level. Robin's and King have a good undertsanding and the messaging around the camp is what needs addressing. Robin's must instill his authority so the players know who's boss and who they are playing for. I do think that 'authority' has been diluted a bit with all the new coaching and backroom appointments. I once said Oggy standing on the touchline with clipboard was an annoyance and Robin's needed to be the 'instructer'. Now we have trhat same thing on the touchline each game with about 6 various coaches bearing down with instructions! It's here Robin's needs control so players have clarity.
We will be just fine. It's very early still and the top is only a few wins away. There is no runaway leader emerging as yet.

lewys33 · Oct 21, 2024

blunted · Oct 21, 2024

So easy to cherry pick and say Robins has been poor at certain moments in his tenure. You have to look at where we finished every season and how we played overall. Seven years of the most successful outcomes since relegation from the top tier and some of the best football I have ever seen from players in a sky blue shirt. That really should not be ignored. Bad starts and bad finishes with mitigating circumstances can be ignored, as the final outcome is what is important.
My worry, and this is purely speculation (as King has drawn a curtain over what is happening behind the scenes) is that Robins has been undermined by people with lesser football abilities. I have made no secret that the loss of Adi has been serious to our current form but hopefully not terminal. If you lose the most successful Assistant Manager in our history, then you have to replace him with someone who is of equal ability. Our coaches are on a steep learning curve so I hope they quickly step up.
My main worry is the hints and innuendo that slip out from behind the silence from the club. Robins has hinted that he is no longer involved in final decisions regarding recruitment or loans. He said last week he cannot comment regarding injuries because of data protection. WTF, that stinks of the stupidity of a controlling Human Resourses department that doesn't have a clue about supporters interests.
There is no doubt Fadz, Kels and Godden had reached their sell by dates. Sad but true. O'Hare left for money that a sensible budget constraint could not match. The stupidity of the recruitment was failing to replace experience and leadership. We seemed ahead of the curve with Browne then pulled out or maybe Sunderland offered more money?
Adi said our success was based on a strong midfield in every division we played. You can buy potentially good forwards, but if the midfield are not providing the service or protecting the defence, then problems ensue.
I hope I am wrong about what is happening behind the scenes and I want Robins to succeed. Fingers and everything else crossed.

Matt smith · Oct 21, 2024

Paxman II said:
No not in the camp for Robin's to go. That is simply pathetic to suggest it at this stage. Everyone is concentrating too much on the expectations we all had over the close season due to Wright & Simms having had a good season tally of goals and much more to come from them. The additions of some good players to strenghten the squad is not in doubt. To some degeree this mitigated the loss of O'Hare. Hamer was gone long before so not in the equation. O'Hare has such character I do believe it has been missed by the payers a lot. The fact he never went to the prem is just an annoyance. Faz is a loss in respect to his motivational skills but not enough to say we can't cope without him. His legs are gone and we needed to change. Palmer was someone who could have a moment to put players like Simms in on goal, that I believe is why we brought in Torp. But there has been a lot of injuries, and key players like Sheaf missing creating a side changeable every game which definately disrupts any rhytham we need. That has to be managed by Robin's.
Sheaf will improve us as he gets up to speed, and Wright is back and his form will be crucial.
What if anything matters most is the coaching side and the whole new set up. If that can be sorted, players get the instructions and impliment them better we will climb the table easily. How much of an adjustment it has been since Vivash went is clear to see, it's not gelled yet. It will and we will see why these players are good for this level. Robin's and King have a good undertsanding and the messaging around the camp is what needs addressing. Robin's must instill his authority so the players know who's boss and who they are playing for. I do think that 'authority' has been diluted a bit with all the new coaching and backroom appointments. I once said Oggy standing on the touchline with clipboard was an annoyance and Robin's needed to be the 'instructer'. Now we have trhat same thing on the touchline each game with about 6 various coaches bearing down with instructions! It's here Robin's needs control so players have clarity.
We will be just fine. It's very early still and the top is only a few wins away. There is no runaway leader emerging as yet.

Not concentrating on expectations pre season

Just didn’t really fancy potentially being bottom of the division at 10pm tomorrow

Philosoraptor · Oct 21, 2024

You know I had to check which thread I am in.

If Grendel had to launch this thread then things may not be all that rosey in that Sky Blue garden.

Think we are going to need a few weeks of calm on here, and in the crowd in general.

I would of went a different way in doing all this, I know that Academia has never held the lead in any of this and was very surprised that CCFC never utilized or made public the huge benefit they had with hooking up Warwick University a couple of years back with their attempt to get into e-gaming.

I still think there is huge potential here but worried that no one has a clue on how to utilize the latest ideas.

I think it is time to have a chat with Warwick University and see what they have say and then, maybe just maybe a chat with Warwick University Chess Club, who, I would suspect, have part of the knowledge on where to go from here than even the University itself.

This, in my opinion, would be the way forward..

Apologies for the grammar etc but, well, quite drunk.

Viva la revolution.

wingy · Oct 21, 2024

Philosoraptor said:
You know I had to check which thread I am in.

If Grendel had to launch this thread then things may not be all that rosey in that Sky Blue garden.

Think we are going to need a few weeks of calm on here, and in the crowd in the general.

I would of went a different way in doing all this, I know that Academia has never held the lead in any f this and was very surprised that CCFC never utilized or made public the huge benefit they had with hooking up Warwick University a couple of years back with their attempt to get into e-gaming.

I still think there is huge potential here but worried that no one has a clue how to utilize the latest ideas.

I think it is time to have a chat with Warwick University and see what they have say and then, maybe just maybe a chat with Warwick University Chess Club, who, I would suspect, have part of the knowledge on where to go from here than even the University itself.

This, in my opinion, would be the way forward..

Apologies for the grammar etc but, well, quite drunk.

Viva la revolution.

The differential between us and opponents is looking grim at the moment!

Philosoraptor · Oct 21, 2024

wingy said:
The differential between us and opponents is looking grim at the moment!

A different game, but then again, a different perspective.

To rubbish the idea straight out just shows a closed mind.

I know these people or to be more exact, I, and a few others on here, know what these people are capable of.

Some of the brightest minds in the country on this subject in general.

Cally Fedora · Oct 21, 2024

SlowerThanPlatt said:
You’re describing net spend, it’s categorically untrue to say we haven’t spent significant funds.

Of course I’m talking about net spend. This £45m is bandied about as if we’re just stockpiling talent. To get the £45m we’ve sold the two best players we’ve had in decades. If we’d kept them AND spent £45m it would be disastrous. But we haven’t.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 21, 2024

Senior Vick from Alicante said:
Doug can't be that worried, he was in the crowd at the American football having a great time.

Was that genuinely him?

I know I blurted out "that's Doug King!" to my sister while watching the game but assumed it must just be someone who looked like him as he seemed to be in with the proles.

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