A guilty by presumption society (1 Viewer)

[Grendel]

The conviction and 18 year sentence for the perverted liar John Beech is all well and good but the questions raised are far from good.

I would urge people to look at this case as the whole sorry saga shows why it’s not numbers of police that are the issue but a process that has allowed story - if it wasn’t so appalling it would be funny - to become even remotely credible.

Several ex politicians and senior respected figures have been dragged through the gutter on the words of a clearly deranged individual

The police seemed to believe at face value the tale of Harvey Proctor and Edward Heath tying this fellow up and using him as a human dartboard by repeatedly throwing a penknife at him. The fact the two accused had t spoke to each other and would never be seen in the same room ever passed them by. A body was dumped but no evidence though it must be true.

Paedophiles rained supreme in Westminster and the establishment - war heroes dragged through the gutter

There is then of course the deeply disturbing involvement of Tom Watson who championed this creature and used his campaign to expose the truth than was a big fat lie. Hiding behind parliamentary privilege to besmirch the character of what turned out to be an entirely innocent person who died with the assumption of guilt behind him.

Watson declares he is a victim. Watson is a career climbing toe rag who should be deselected immediately - he is unfit for office

Police have it seems liberty to believe anything - the naming of innocent people for the pure reason to attract big headlines is obscene

This is a low the police will never come back from without a significant shake up which I do not think will happen

It’s a national scandal

 

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[Covkid1968#]

Completely agree about Watson.... saw an opportunity for personal political gain and was so over whelmed by the potential of the lies he let all rational thinking go out the window. And putting it politely that makes him a particularly unsavoury character

 

[clint van damme]

I pretty much agree with the OP but would add a couple of things.
Firstly, there is a list doing the rounds on social media of items seized from Harvey Proctor which are now due for return to him. There are some very sinister items in there, I don't know if the list is genuine but if it is then there are still some questions to be answered by him as far as im concerned.

Secondly, did Tom Watson act in good faith?
If he did, and he has made a genuine mistake, then I don't like the way this is being weaponised against him.
Bear in mind I despise Watson but if this was a genuine mistake then I have some sympathy with him. I don't know enough about his involvement to make a judgement on his part in this so maybe someone can enlighten me.
This will make it more difficult for genuine victims as far as I'm concerned which as pointed out is a scandal.

 

[Grendel]

I pretty much agree with the OP but would add a couple of things.
Firstly, there is a list doing the rounds on social media of items seized from Harvey Proctor which are now due for return to him. There are some very sinister items in there, I don't know if the list is genuine but if it is then there are still some questions to be answered by him as far as im concerned.

Secondly, did Tom Watson act in good faith?
If he did, and he has made a genuine mistake, then I don't like the way this is being weaponised against him.
Bear in mind I despise Watson but if this was a genuine mistake then I have some sympathy with him. I don't know enough about his involvement to make a judgement on his part in this so maybe someone can enlighten me.
This will make it more difficult for genuine victims as far as I'm concerned which as pointed out is a scandal.

Tom Watson was a back bench Mp and rose through the ranks purely due to his “diligence” in seeking justice. This diligence meant taking e mails from the accused and using them as unsubstantiated evidence against in particular Lord Britain - something without parliamentary privilege would have been an illegal act. He at the same time vilified a dead prime minister with zero evidence.

Harvey Proctor is a known user of rent boys from the 80’s but there is zero evidence he was involved in murder or maiming

 

[fernandopartridge]

Funny though, Watson is currently fronting a campaign in the Labour party which is allegedly about dealing with anti semitism. The resident Tories are selective about when they think he's credible obviously

 

[clint van damme]

Tom Watson was a back bench Mp and rose through the ranks purely due to his “diligence” in seeking justice. This diligence meant taking e mails from the accused and using them as unsubstantiated evidence against in particular Lord Britain - something without parliamentary privilege would have been an illegal act. He at the same time vilified a dead prime minister with zero evidence.

Harvey Proctor is a known user of rent boys from the 80’s but there is zero evidence he was involved in murder or maiming

My opinion of Watson is very low, I will have to look in to the particulars of this case to see if he has used it as a career stepping stone rather than through genuine concern for abuse victims, if he has them that is shameful.